Topic: Lawsuit in every state 'til O proves his b/c or NOT!
Winx's photo
Tue 10/21/08 05:31 PM

i know, he belongs to the united church of christ. i do my homework


Not a sheeple, eh?bigsmile flowerforyou

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/21/08 05:33 PM

you know this actually what a lot of people could have foreseen. once an african-american runs for president, tons and tons of people would be outraged and start picking at him and his character. oh he's a muslim- which leads to- oh he's a terrorist, he hates america, i want to see his birth certificate before i drop my prejudices. and whatever else has been thrown at him


You are right and his birth certificate has been provided. McCain was born outside the US and that is not an issue somehow.

McCain has associations with Liddy, white supremacists and abortion clinic terrorists but that is not an issue just Ayers is.

I hate to say this and it bothers me and shames me from the bottom of my heart but if they are racist in their choice what could Obama do to assuage them? Nothing except not run of course and I am not sure what I would do if they had that much power in this country. I would probably end up dead because it is intolerable that the criminal act still happens in the greatest country in the world.frustrated

ChrisIlarraza's photo
Tue 10/21/08 05:35 PM
god no. if you've seen my other posts you'd know the last thing i would be is one of those naive poor old sods

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Tue 10/21/08 05:36 PM

offtopic

Just so everyone is aware and concious the rest of the world gives free medical care to its people because that is a just thing...........its only in America where we have chosen to put a price on our health and wellbeing..............


Just so you know, it is not the best thing at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

==copy--Wait times
One of the major complaints about the Canadian health care system is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer. Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.[20]

A March 2, 2004 article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal stated, "Saskatchewan is under fire for having the longest waiting time in the country for a diagnostic MRI — a whopping 22 months." [3] Medical professional shortage
Canada's shortage of medical practitioners causes problems.

---end copy--

In fact, wait times are terrible, and many opt to pay for their own doctor/hosp. visits so they can get GOOD or fast treatment. So, in essence, double paying - once thru the gov. and once again, out of their own pocket. (Else they would die waiting!)
Pls, let's stay on topic, BB
4 hours in the ER..Have you been to an ER lately..I ahve been there 10 hrs. Again I will say this....Im tired but will touch on one thing..Health care, we are paying for it now!!!!!!! Higher premiums, taxes and costs..We are paying for the uninsured already..If people had access to health care the end result would not be as bad as it is now. It is criminal for health care providers to charge 5 times as much for the uninsured and give big insurance companies big breaks..No wonder people lose everything over health care..ITS CRIMINAL!!!!! So I guess you decide to we keep on paying for the uninsured who have no access to preventive medicine or do we pay less later.. I hope you understand

ChrisIlarraza's photo
Tue 10/21/08 05:37 PM
Edited by ChrisIlarraza on Tue 10/21/08 05:42 PM
laugh

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:30 PM



IF we don't want our country to continue down this road, we need to do something different. Washington won't change for us. So we have to ask ourselves what we keep doing time and time again...

The answer to that lies in our votes. We have been voting for the specific people that claim to be from two different parties, that continually make our country worse. Look, we are doing it again...

If you want change, vote for someone who stands for it. Look at the policies. No matter who they are. Who cares if the majority of congress doesn't "endorse" them. Look at what congress has done to us. We need someone they don't want us to have.

I say again, we are are in danger of losing our country. They are pushing an economic crisis on us. They will eventually push for us to combine Canada and Mexico with the U.S. Our law system will be combined, our currencies, our militaries, etc. The Amero will take the place of the dollar.

Congress voted a bill through that is certain to to increase the effects of the recession. Obama and McCain are both pushing to lower the value of our dollar while hiding behind the false pretense of "taking care of us" as if we were illegitimate children that can't take care of themselves.

Why do you think congress doesn't take illegal immigration seriously? The answer is because the majority of the are globalists. They eventually want a one world government. The U.N. will be the world military, and the elite will continue to run things. (This is speculation but supposedly China is the guinea pig for the world government. Communism is what is being pushed. This is what Obama is pushing for.)

Do your homework. The North American Union is REAL. Has been proven. Several members of congress warned us of this. It even had made Lou Dobbs on CNN.

You want change, it has to come from us first. Stop endorsing candidates that are pushing for the same things. Stop endorsing candidates that are pushing to take us down and invent a crisis.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lFCFIiwrsg

http://www.nogw.com/shadow.html

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/10/17
(Nader report)

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1025-21.htm

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09...

http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1568518

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=ba99826e-f9b7-42a4-9b0a-f82134b92e7e

(above is in force NOW)

Category: News & Politics

Keywords: American Resistance, Militia Movement, New World Order, North American Union, TRUTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apqtqp7EKgM

(O's speech while overseas)

Wikipedia article on "New World Order"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faction_One
Some pretty good reading on the ones I read..But question how can you support McCain after reading that?


No one intelligent can truely support McCain....

Only logical argument anyone could come up with for voting for him is that he is a republican and may offset the ambitions of congress.... But i still fail to see that as a motivating reason...

ohwidow's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:48 PM
offtopic health care--- see
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

get the true facts, not lies (yes, half trueths are LIES!)---copy--Barack Obama And Joe Biden Have Consistently Lied To Americans About John McCain's Plan. Their claims have failed every fact-check - from CBS to the Washington Post. John McCain is not going to raise taxes on middle class families. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the only ones in this race that plan to raise taxes. --snip--OBAMA FICTION
John McCain Will Tax Health Care Benefits For The First Time And Will Be the Largest Middle Class Tax Increase In History.

THE FACTS
This Obama charge is a blatant mischaracterization of the McCain Health Plan. It only focuses on the fact that the value of the employer provided insurance will now show up as additional income for the employees – what he fails to mention – is that John McCain’s generous refundable tax credit ($5,000 for families and $2,500 for individuals) will not only shield millions of families from a tax increase but will actually give them MORE dollars to invest in their health care needs.

The McCain Plan DOES NOT tax:

Premiums paid by families and individuals


Employers for providing health care coverage


Medical expenses like the cost of a procedure or medication


Insurance claims

Approach Supported By Obama’s Own Advisor: This is an approach supported by Barack Obama's own Senior Economic Advisor Jason Furman who wrote that "we could scrap the current deduction altogether and replace it with progressive tax credits that, together with other changes, would ensure that every American has affordable health insurance."

Better Than "Members of Congress": Under the McCain Plan, your employer can provide you with health insurance as good as a "Member of Congress" (approximately $12,000), and you would pay no more in taxes – regardless of your tax bracket. In fact, you would have additional money left over from the McCain tax credit to put in a health savings account.

---end c---get the full facts, visit website above.


Back on topic, it was mentioed M may not qualify to run as Pres as well.....see....


http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

and snopes has updated their website about O's
b/certificte http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp


and McCains med records, summery

http://www.johnmccain.com/mccainrecords/

-----------update-------------breaking news------

http://obamacrimes.com/

lawsuit against Obama & DNC ---end c--

and another website w/details

http://www.americasright.com

pls visit site for full back-up and details, downloads. Thanks, BB


krupa's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:50 PM
You lost me at the opening word of "Indubitably"...you obviously know how stupid us non-republicans are...

I bet you are taking us idiot non-republicans down like drunk rednecks on a dove hunt.

WOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! pass me a beer!

For the love of God!

Try to pretend like the people who may accidentally have differing view points may not be actually too retarded and I wont pass out padded helmets and diapers to every retard who voted for Dubya.

I hate having to dummy down for the friggin repulican and Democratic zealots on this site.

Perhaps I should just go find more open minded folks to talk to around here...Like the religion forums...you know...Christians and Moslems are way more open minded than the f%cking Republicans.

Winx's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:50 PM
Nope, I'm not visiting any more of your sites. That is all that this thread is about - visiting your blog links.

no photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:55 PM

offtopic health care--- see
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

get the true facts, not lies (yes, half trueths are LIES!)---copy--Barack Obama And Joe Biden Have Consistently Lied To Americans About John McCain's Plan. Their claims have failed every fact-check - from CBS to the Washington Post. John McCain is not going to raise taxes on middle class families. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the only ones in this race that plan to raise taxes. --snip--OBAMA FICTION
John McCain Will Tax Health Care Benefits For The First Time And Will Be the Largest Middle Class Tax Increase In History.

THE FACTS
This Obama charge is a blatant mischaracterization of the McCain Health Plan. It only focuses on the fact that the value of the employer provided insurance will now show up as additional income for the employees – what he fails to mention – is that John McCain’s generous refundable tax credit ($5,000 for families and $2,500 for individuals) will not only shield millions of families from a tax increase but will actually give them MORE dollars to invest in their health care needs.

The McCain Plan DOES NOT tax:

Premiums paid by families and individuals


Employers for providing health care coverage


Medical expenses like the cost of a procedure or medication


Insurance claims

Approach Supported By Obama’s Own Advisor: This is an approach supported by Barack Obama's own Senior Economic Advisor Jason Furman who wrote that "we could scrap the current deduction altogether and replace it with progressive tax credits that, together with other changes, would ensure that every American has affordable health insurance."

Better Than "Members of Congress": Under the McCain Plan, your employer can provide you with health insurance as good as a "Member of Congress" (approximately $12,000), and you would pay no more in taxes – regardless of your tax bracket. In fact, you would have additional money left over from the McCain tax credit to put in a health savings account.

---end c---get the full facts, visit website above.


Back on topic, it was mentioed M may not qualify to run as Pres as well.....see....


http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

and snopes has updated their website about O's
b/certificte http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp


and McCains med records, summery

http://www.johnmccain.com/mccainrecords/

-----------update-------------breaking news------

http://obamacrimes.com/

lawsuit against Obama & DNC ---end c--

and another website w/details

http://www.americasright.com

pls visit site for full back-up and details, downloads. Thanks, BB


One more time...Im tired but will touch on one thing..Health care, we are paying for it now!!!!!!! Higher premiums, taxes and costs..We are paying for the uninsured already..If people had access to health care the end result would not be as bad as it is now. It is criminal for health care providers to charge 5 times as much for the uninsured and give big insurance companies big breaks..No wonder people lose everything over health care..ITS CRIMINAL!!!!! So I guess you decide do we keep on paying for the uninsured who have no access to preventive medicine or do we pay less later.. I hope you understand

ohwidow's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:56 PM
Edited by ohwidow on Tue 10/21/08 07:05 PM

You lost me at the opening word of "Indubitably"...you obviously know how stupid us non-republicans are...

I bet you are taking us idiot non-republicans down like drunk rednecks on a dove hunt.

WOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! pass me a beer!

For the love of God!

Try to pretend like the people who may accidentally have differing view points may not be actually too retarded and I wont pass out padded helmets and diapers to every retard who voted for Dubya.

I hate having to dummy down for the friggin repulican and Democratic zealots on this site.

Perhaps I should just go find more open minded folks to talk to around here...Like the religion forums...you know...Christians and Moslems are way more open minded than the f%cking Republicans.


sorry, meant undoubtably - must've changed it w/spell-ck(smile, show some of that love)BB

no photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:59 PM
I done too..Sry wont reply to your post again..Good luck in Nov and Good luck to us all..You have failed to change my mind..flowerforyou

ohwidow's photo
Tue 10/21/08 07:03 PM
Edited by ohwidow on Tue 10/21/08 07:06 PM

One more time...Im tired but will touch on one thing..Health care, we are paying for it now!!!!!!! Higher premiums, taxes and costs..We are paying for the uninsured already..If people had access to health care the end result would not be as bad as it is now. It is criminal for health care providers to charge 5 times as much for the uninsured and give big insurance companies big breaks..No wonder people lose everything over health care..ITS CRIMINAL!!!!! So I guess you decide do we keep on paying for the uninsured who have no access to preventive medicine or do we pay less later.. I hope you understand
I understand O's healthcare plan IS going to cost us MORE than McCains!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27298310
The Big Tax Picture: Over $1 Trillion


AP
Barack Obama
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Tax Policy Center has calculated that the refundable tax credit and John McCain's overall health plan will increase the deficit by $1.3 trillion over the next ten years, while Barack Obama's plan providing subsidized access through an insurance exchange will boost the deficit by roughly $1.6 trillion in the next decade.

McCain’s plan, analysts say would cost less over time, because the tax credit would likely be indexed to inflation, while medical costs are likely to grow more quickly. --snip--
McCain's plan puts the combined savings at about $85 Billion, while Obama puts the savings at just over $90 billion, according to calculations from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

But even with those calculations, the Committee puts the budget impact of McCain's policies starting off at a $17 billion deficit in the first year, while the Obama plan would start off $65 billion in the red.


---end c--

So, q answered, BB

edited, sorry T, we must've been posting at the same time.

no photo
Tue 10/21/08 07:08 PM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 10/21/08 07:18 PM


One more time...Im tired but will touch on one thing..Health care, we are paying for it now!!!!!!! Higher premiums, taxes and costs..We are paying for the uninsured already..If people had access to health care the end result would not be as bad as it is now. It is criminal for health care providers to charge 5 times as much for the uninsured and give big insurance companies big breaks..No wonder people lose everything over health care..ITS CRIMINAL!!!!! So I guess you decide do we keep on paying for the uninsured who have no access to preventive medicine or do we pay less later.. I hope you understand
I understand O's health care plan IS going to cost us MORE than McCains!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27298310
The Big Tax Picture: Over $1 Trillion


AP
Barack Obama
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Tax Policy Center has calculated that the refundable tax credit and John McCain's overall health plan will increase the deficit by $1.3 trillion over the next ten years, while Barack Obama's plan providing subsidized access through an insurance exchange will boost the deficit by roughly $1.6 trillion in the next decade.

McCain’s plan, analysts say would cost less over time, because the tax credit would likely be indexed to inflation, while medical costs are likely to grow more quickly. --snip--
McCain's plan puts the combined savings at about $85 Billion, while Obama puts the savings at just over $90 billion, according to calculations from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

But even with those calculations, the Committee puts the budget impact of McCain's policies starting off at a $17 billion deficit in the first year, while the Obama plan would start off $65 billion in the red.


---end c--

So, q answered, BB
yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn Im insured but thats from all the uninsured driving up MY COST!!!!! Pay now or pay later!! You know dam well paying later costs more...Look at history!! I understand the plans..You dont want to give healthcare to the poor..The poor being uninsured is what has driven the cost of healthcare up..Our great country dosnt turn anybody away whether you can pay or not..Its the ones not paying that contributes to the rising cost..It anit rocket science

ohwidow's photo
Tue 10/21/08 07:19 PM

Nope, I'm not visiting any more of your sites. That is all that this thread is about - visiting your blog links.


Nope, none of them mine, have nothing to do w/them.



But, pls keep ONE more open to visit, about O's birth/adoption --copy--

Michelle Obama tapes’ imminent release approaching: API in a serious negotiation with FOX NEWS on the best way forward

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/


Obama tapes: I am 100% positive this is real and it will be released to Fox news network and become public in short order.
Posted by africanpress on October 22, 2008

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/obama-tapes-i-am-100-positive-this-is-real-and-it-will-be-released-to-fox-news-network-and-become-public-in-short-order/

I spoke with Mr. Korir as well. I convinced him to let me hear a snippet of the recording and from the little bit I did, I would say with 100% certainty that it is Michelle Obama’s voice. Please be patient. Mr Korir would not lie. He has been a colleague of mine for fifteen years. I would trust him with my life.

---humm, tomorrow or Thurs should tell much, BB

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Tue 10/21/08 07:23 PM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 10/21/08 07:23 PM


Nope, I'm not visiting any more of your sites. That is all that this thread is about - visiting your blog links.


Nope, none of them mine, have nothing to do w/them.



But, pls keep ONE more open to visit, about O's birth/adoption --copy--

Michelle Obama tapes’ imminent release approaching: API in a serious negotiation with FOX NEWS on the best way forward

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/


Obama tapes: I am 100% positive this is real and it will be released to Fox news network and become public in short order.
Posted by africanpress on October 22, 2008

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/obama-tapes-i-am-100-positive-this-is-real-and-it-will-be-released-to-fox-news-network-and-become-public-in-short-order/

I spoke with Mr. Korir as well. I convinced him to let me hear a snippet of the recording and from the little bit I did, I would say with 100% certainty that it is Michelle Obama’s voice. Please be patient. Mr Korir would not lie. He has been a colleague of mine for fifteen years. I would trust him with my life.

---humm, tomorrow or Thurs should tell much, BB

Again, why the wait..It takes time to even authenticate it..Or is that the reason..HMMMMMMMM Waiting patiently

ohwidow's photo
Tue 10/21/08 07:29 PM
If U visited the site, U'd see first, they hired an atty, then they write open letter to Mrs. O. so she could state truth, so not all (ill-relevant)of it released. Then they waited (one week gone by from start, not all that long)few days, then they say, fox news was chosen to air this. Will be anxious to see this come to pass (rather than not) as too much cover-up about his 'right' to run as Pres. has happened. BB

BTW, do U work for O's camp? Straight forward details on health care show huge diff between debit - and coverage. O's is not the best by a long shot.

KerryO's photo
Tue 10/21/08 07:33 PM



and snopes has updated their website about O's
b/certificte http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp



...and it STILL concludes that you are in error about his ineligibility.

Nothing new to see here folks... move along... move along.


-Kerry O.

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Tue 10/21/08 07:36 PM

If U visited the site, U'd see first, they hired an atty, then they write open letter to Mrs. O. so she could state truth, so not all (ill-relevant)of it released. Then they waited (one week gone by from start, not all that long)few days, then they say, fox news was chosen to air this. Will be anxious to see this come to pass (rather than not) as too much cover-up about his 'right' to run as Pres. has happened. BB

BTW, do U work for O's camp? Straight forward details on health care show huge diff between debit - and coverage. O's is not the best by a long shot.
No, work for a utility company..Os covers the poor..That my friend is a big cause of the spirling cost..Like I said we already pay for it, might as well offset some of the costs..And as far as Canada waiting 4 hours in the ER, MANY people here could only hope that they only have to wait that long, and THATS THE INSURED!!!!

Winx's photo
Tue 10/21/08 07:43 PM


If U visited the site, U'd see first, they hired an atty, then they write open letter to Mrs. O. so she could state truth, so not all (ill-relevant)of it released. Then they waited (one week gone by from start, not all that long)few days, then they say, fox news was chosen to air this. Will be anxious to see this come to pass (rather than not) as too much cover-up about his 'right' to run as Pres. has happened. BB

BTW, do U work for O's camp? Straight forward details on health care show huge diff between debit - and coverage. O's is not the best by a long shot.
No, work for a utility company..Os covers the poor..That my friend is a big cause of the spirling cost..Like I said we already pay for it, might as well offset some of the costs..And as far as Canada waiting 4 hours in the ER, MANY people here could only hope that they only have to wait that long, and THATS THE INSURED!!!!


You only had to wait 4 hrs.? You're a lucky one!