Who needs your stinking pity? I would mock God in his face. He could strike me down only to prove my points.

often people confuse discernment with judgement. There is a difference.

You know - I was thinking the same thing about the OP. I'm glad you brought it up. I was wondering why he showed up on the scene to inform us of his "superior" intelligence, but now that you've put it into perspective, I don't need to ask him.

Yeah, that's a whole lot of rationalizing there my friend. I think I have even heard a fundamentalist attempt to explain the difference to me. They referred to it as "discerning" instead of actual judgment.They were unsuccessfully attempting to minimize its potential negative impact. Well, okay so now you feel you have the right to go around "discerning" others. The point is, what makes you morally superior or qualified for that position? I can tell just by looking at you and what little you have said on this forum that you have a bit of a colorful "past". Just like most all of us here today. We as a society have established a functioning vehicle of "judgment" called our legal and court system. I just dont feel that you need or should be walking around presuming to judge anyone yourself. It should suffice that you take responsibility for your OWN actions. Discern yourself all you want. I dont care. You should have the capability with or without the "lord's" assistance to control yourself and discern right from wrong as it relates to your personal life. A lot of proselytizing and marginalization of others is not what Jesus had in mind I dont imagine.


Anyway, that's what I always took the sentiment of "he who is without sin, cast the first stone" to be addressing exactly. It is asking that one take pause for a moment and actually reflect upon their own past mistakes before lashing out at another. There is no reason to morph this into something else to suit your needs or personal agenda.

OK OK OK OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who are ANY OF YOU TO JUDGE???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

SO WHAT IF I DO BELEIVE IN THE TRINITY???
WHO CARES IF YOU DON'T!!!!
EVEN IF THERE IS OR ISN'T WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO THINK AS WE WISH!


ITS NOT CHRISTIAN LIKE TO JUDGE ANYONE WHAT EVER THEY MAY BELEIVE!
WHY DO I SAY THIS???????
I WAS RAISED BY A MAN WHO IS A PREACHER!!!
AND HE WAS NO CHRISTIAN!!!
WALK THE WALK TALK THE TALK.....HE DID NONE OF IT! HE WAS A PREACHER ON SUNDAYS AND WEDNSDAYS, THE OTHER 5 HE SPENT TORCHERING ME AND ALL THE OTHERS!
HE RAPED ME FOR YEARS !!!
DOES THAT MAKE ME BITTER???
YES
DO I STILL BELEIVE IN GOD?????
YES
DOES THAT MEAN I AM GOING TO PITTY YOU WHEN YOU STAND BEFORE WHOMEVER YOU CHOOSE TO BELEIVE IN????
NO!

GET OVER IT!!!
ITS YOUR RIGHT TO BELEIVE AS YOU WISH !
JUST AS ITS MINE TO BELEIVE AS I WISH!


STOP THE FRUDDIN JUDGIN PPL!

WOW!!!!!!!!

Just when i didn't think you couldn't get any sexier you post something like this!

not sure who you are talking to krimsa, me or the person I quoted under, discernment to me is just deciding if I want to associate with someone or not, basically like if we decide if we want to be friends with someone or not. I have never and would never say I was without sin. wasn't lashing out at anyone, was making a statement under the judge not lest ye be judged thing, personally, i don't have a problem judging wether I want to be around someone or not, don't think any of us do

wow and here i thought i would get a good bashin.... its not over yet though huh?

we all have the right to discern wether or not we would like to be around someone or something

Not from me, i'm on your side....besides i hear it is safer that way

dont get me wrong, i DO beleive and that is my right, but I agree with what shooter says too. i mean we have the right to speak our mind and who are we to judge anyone.its not my job. doesn't mean i like you any less, we just have different views.

and yeah you are safer there ....lmao

This is the thing that has irritated me the most with some christians(yes i am one) again i stress some and not all. is that they are so quick to judge and cram the beleife down peoples throats while they live no sembalence of what the bible says to do. "when you give, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing" "don't pray long winded prayers in front of people to make them think you are spiritual...instead pray by yourself in a closet" "love your neighbor as yourself" "become like servants" "do not judge others" "Don't worry about the speck in your brothers eye, when you have a plank in your own" all of these verses are found in the Bible..although i may have paraphrased some...but the message is clear. People should be DRAWN to a true christian by the way they live their life, "rejoicing, even in suffering" People should see something in them...and come to them. Instead some how christians now make it their personal goal to cram as much as they can down the throats(most often unwilling) of non-christians. Judging them and doing everything else the Bible says not to do. One of my favorite quotes is from the band DC talk. "the greatest cause of atheist in the world is christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simple finds unbelievable" I'm not perfect, niether is anyone else. I'm NO ONE to judge ANYONE. However, i have my own personal reasons/experiences for why i believe what i believe and if any asks i'm not afraid to tell them.

That is different. A person could do that whether or not they had faith in the "lord". If you wish to avoid others simply because you find them not people that you want to associate with, then there is no problem. That could very well be construed as a mode of self preservation. One would only need open a history book to find the implications behind false judgments and just how utterly destructive the church has been in this capacity. I was under the impression you were somehow claiming the right to judge others in part based on your religious beliefs and perceived "moral superiority". If you are willing to leave it alone, then I dont see the problem. But we both know darn well that there are those that dont leave it alone and in fact take every opportunity to discern everyone and everything around them. That is what I take issue with.

That is not what I was addressing at all. Please read my posts a little more carefully. A person could avoid someone who they dont wish to associate with regardless of religious designation or affiliation.

Don't claim any moral superiority thats for sure. Don't believe in cramming religion down anyones throat, I will give my opinion if asked or sometimes in these forums. I don't believe in knocking on doors and trying to save folks. I have friends that don't believe and we never seem to argue over it. If they have questions I try to answer as i see it or believe I know but I don't go preaching to them or bring things up out of the blue. They usually see how happy and content I am and this leads to the discussions and our beliefs. Don't believe in begging for money as a lot of churches do. We can only be responsible for our own souls and actions in the end.

I was not, nor never was I addressing your personal life. Im not sure where that came up. I used your quote and made a point. The point being that I take issue with a person claiming a position of moral superiority based solely on their faith.

I'm cool with that darlin , not sure where the confusion came in at. It's early and all, lots of reading and playing with words going on at times, it just be like that sometimes I guess. cheers

Partly I think the problem arises because fundamentalists often have the scripture thrown right back at them in respect to what Jesus supposedly said about standing in judgment of others. Basically, unless I am totally off in my understanding in some respect, he disapproved of it. This is but one quote Im referring to from scripture but Im sure there are others. Anyone can add if they want.

“Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”

Trust me when I tell you Krimsa.. my take and beliefs on scripture make me about as popular as a hair in a biscuit with many Christians as well.