the question is more like did feet exist before the battleship did ..so it's not a trick question it can be answered logically but it's you "Eljay" that keep refusing to think beyond your religious beliefs to answer it logically

Answer logically??? How many feet on a battle ship - true or false?

Well - answer that and explain the logic of your response.

I can't wait to see this.

the question wasn't how many knowledges existed before god if asked if knowledge existed before God

also to answer your question as to how many feet are on a battleship- true or false? ..well the most logical answer would be true and that there are atleast two feet on the battleship ..so now it's your turn to debate otherwise

see "Eljay" how things can be debated logically if you don't limit your thinking to religious beliefs ..now can we get back to debating the original question

That is correct, God is beyond knowledge. He already knows everything, he will not gain anything through experience or gain better understandings of anything. I wouldn't call what he had knowledge. It would be something bigger, something more.

"Chazster" a God suposely beyond knowledge would be incapable of creating imperfection.. and so far all the evidences points to God being incapable of creating anything perfect ..so therefore God is not "beyond knowledge" whatever that means ..he still needs to learn how to create perfect creations

I don't feel totally qualified to get involved with a philosophical debate of this designation but I'm not one to put a lot of emphasis on any "supreme beings" creating anything to begin with and I subscribe to the Big Bang Theory so no, no knowledge beforehand. Not Webster's definition of knowledge anyway and not organic understanding that a man would be able to possess because there was no man. Its also a mathematical impossibility that what happened here could not occur again in another universe outside of our Milky Way and beyond.

we are back to the original question of "Could a god create a rock he could not lift"

the information presented by those that may feel unqualified or those that may feel that the information they offer is insignificant could actually be the catalyst that would change the world



"Krimsa"...it no knowledge existed before the big bang then how did the big know how to bang .. also how could the catalyst that cause the big bang form without knowledge existing beforehand to form it into a catalyst

that would suggest that the catalyst popped out of nothingness but even so how could the catalyst pop out of nothingness if the knowledge that pop things out of nothingness didn't exist beforehand

the rock is governed by the laws of physics ..a God is not ...so therefore a God could never create any ordinary rock no matter how heavy so heavy that it can not be lifted by that God ...unless

the God created the rock into a "Rock God" more perfect than itself then the God would be incapable of lifting that particular Rock God

so theorectically God can not lift up Elvis Presley or Jimmy Hendricks

That is unless he didn't want to create perfection. If everything was perfect, the world would be a very boring place. Souls are supposed to be perfect, but I have never seen one. Heaven is supposed to be perfect, but again I have never seen it. Perfection is a reward for leading a good life.

Because honestly, I don't believe you would have needed knowledge in order for the Big Bang to occur. At least not what man's definition of knowledge consists of.

"The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation. The essential idea is that the universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past and continues to expand to this day."

Now of course I am not asking that anyone accept this model nor reject it. However it would not have required knowledge of itself in order for it to take place. If you do at least partially accept this concept, the universe is STILL expanding. That doesn't require knowlede either. It will happen regardless of man's existence here or not.

"Chazster" Heaven is not perfect or there wouldn't have been a war there ..souls are not perfect or there would never be any lost souls .. again all evidence points to God being incapable of creating perfection ..he may simply lack the knowledge to do so

Then "Krimsa" explain how the big band occured without the knowledge to occur

even as you say that the universe expanded from a "primordial hot and dense initial condition" then explain how something can be hot or become hot without the knowledge or rules that produces something to become hot ...

didn't man use that same knowledge to produce a thermo-nuclear explosion just like the big bang

Lost people making bad decisions in life have nothing to do with the perfectness of the soul. The same goes for the war in heaven. You lack of knowing of something perfect does not mean that something perfect does not exist. Even if there is nothing perfect, it does not mean that God lacks the ability to create it.

This makes no sense, atoms bond and become molecules but they have no knowledge of how to do this. They don't have a consciousness and so don't have the capacity for knowledge. The same goes for energy and matter in the big bang theory.

yes it does mean that God lack the ability to create perfection...you have yet to give evidence that he can

also "Chazster" you are constantly contradict yourself and playing both sides of the coin.. first you admit that you don't even know if people have souls so how can you now claim that souls are perfect ......also as for Heaven..any place that have wars and killing is not perfect

"Chazster" if atoms lack knowledge then how do they bond and become molecules ..do little elves glue them together...you keep assuming that knowledge takes consciousness ..

where does the book state that god had a beginning?

Gen.1-1 states that "in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth", that included the water your speaking of - it does not say it was there before that or anything else was there before he started creating. If it stated first off that these or other things existed, then you would have a legitimate question, but it does not so you don't.

"in the beginning" - refers to the beginning of his creation of everything. if it had stated - "in --->HIS<--- beginning", then there would be a point of contention.

FUNCHES:

God simply couldn't exist with the knowledge to be God if the knowledge to be God didn't exist before his existence


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first you make the premise that god is omnipotent, omniscient, then go on to state that in your view he's not. either god has always existed or he hasn't, it can be one way or the other but you cant say in one place he has the capability to always have been and then say he could not have been. Unless you find a statement in the book that states god is not an infinite being/entity that has always existed and always will exist, your questions have no merit.

the question is being wrongly phrased, it should be - "would god create a rock he could not lift?"
the answer is no he wouldn't, it would go against his other attributes of being all knowing/wise aka omniscient. he cannot go agaist his own infinite nature.

Wow you are smart. Gravity doesn't work because it "knows how". Atoms from molecules because the electric charges are trying to become stable. It is not that a positive ion says "hey I am supposed to go meet at negative ion"