Jumpin' jeeeeeeehossssophat!!! I will ... I BELIEVE!!!

If there was noone there to know something, then knowledge could not exist.

knowledge-expertise, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject

It can not exists without someone actually obtaining it.

Knowledge is garnered by trial and error.

If you tell your child "Dont touch that, it is hot"

What does the word "hot" mean to a 4 or 5 year old child?

So, they will touch something else hot and burn their fingers.

Then they will have knowledge of "hot"

"In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." Gen 1:1.

Now - what existed before this - the beginning?
Other than God?

Would you like to try this post again.

Why is that? He's omniscient. There's no "order" to omniscience. Else you have a self contradictory term.

God can certainly move about within a time frame -but that does not mean he is controlled by it. They are not mutually inclusive - nor associative occurances.

nah if that was true then they would be giving beer and pretzels at communion instead of wine and wafers

..er...."Chazster" ...can you explain how someone can obtain it if it didn't already exist

not really "Eljay".. because Genesis tells of the creation of everything but the Angels which mean the Angels had to exist before creation and before the beginning

Its easy, the first people to discover planets gained the knowledge that there were other planets in the universe. The planets already existed, but the knowledge of them did not. The knowledge does not exist unless someone knows it. Read what I posted, its based on experience or understanding. Both of those require a person or thing to gain that experience or understanding.

Example- lets say there were planets and all the laws of physics etc, but no life forms or supernatural beings (no consciousness at all). There would be no knowledge.

because that God never had a first thought or a last thought would only indicate that God was trapped in some knowledge vortex in which he couldn't learn or refuse to learn beyond that realm of knowledge ...we can that belief ...

that's why the terms ominscient and omniscience are both contradictions because they both places limitations on knowledge and therefore places limitions on the amount of knowledge that a God could obtain ...which means that the God could never be all-knowing

"Eljay" like I related it to "Spidercmb" I'm going by the bible which states that God rested on the seventh day ..the need to rest is controlled by time

"Chazster" it there were no knowledge then explain how the planets were formed ..it took prior knowledge for the planets to form into planets ..you are limiting knowledge to consciousness ..there are billions of events taking place in your body right now ..so you are saying that it's not taking place because you are not conscious of it or have prior knowledge

you are saying that no trees ever fall down in the forest unless someone sees it fall

You don't listen do you. Things can take place without our knowledge.

you should maybe try listening to yourself because once again you are contradicting yourself with your quote below



so make up your mind "Chazster" which is it ..you keep bouncing back and forth trying to play both sides of the field ...as unsual

Yes, the knowledge cannot exist, not the thing. I have pointed this out more than once.
Way to take one line from my post out of context to make is look like I am saying something else. Very tasteful.

ok Then "Chazster" let's see if I took it out of context by you explaining how "the thing" was formed if prior knowledge was non-existence

in other words explain how "the thing" could form if the knowledge to form it didn't already exist prior to "the thing" being formed

The same way everything that is man made in our world came to be. It was invented. Experimentation, trial and error, there are lots of ways to create things. Noone had the knowledge of a camera before a camera was invented.

Well aactually there is fullness of knowledge in the Godhead...it existed prior to the creation.

So yes... knowledge existed before creation, in God of course.

Go to school to get knowledge why do u care if there was before GOD!!!