shakes her head and walks out.

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Okay now that sounds to me as if he has DIVIDED night and day. It doesnt matter if what we know as a day is not a day to god. It says DAY 1. Number 1. Uno. First. One. Divided night and day. Let's think about that. Morning and night. Yes. That sounds reasonable. The sun comes up and its morning. The sun goes down and its night. Okay we get it. You would have needed to write this in a context that people would have understood in biblical times remember. They would have understood day and night quite readily.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

Okay now here he is yet again dividing light. He is creating the sun for all intensive purposes. Now that right there makes me grit my teeth a little. However, I will humor you and this god or whatever it is makes the sun. It creates the seasons. I come to this conclusion because he is speaking of creating the stars also. So all of the celestial bodies at this point. He speaks of TWO great lights, one to rule the day and the lesser to rule the night. The sun. This light was set in the heavens. Once again a reference to the cosmos. To rule over day and night. Once again to DIVIDE the MORNING and the NIGHT. BUT ON DAY 4! It’s inconsistent. It was not written by Moses. Perhaps some of it was, but not all. I would give Moses more credit for having a better grasp on continuity my friend.

Seventy-five million years ago, Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as Teegeeack. The planets were overpopulated, each having on average 178 billion people. The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with people "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth.

Xenu (The Illuminati will know whether to pronounce it, "Zenu" or Ksenu") was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of "renegades", he defeated the populace and the "Loyal Officers", a force for good that was opposed to Xenu. Then, with the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions of people to paralyze them with injections of alcohol and glycol, under the pretense that they were being called for "income tax inspections". The kidnapped populace was loaded into space planes for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). The space planes were exact copies of Douglas DC-8s, "except the DC-8 had fans, propellers on it and the space plane didn't." DC-8s have jet engines, not propellers, although Hubbard may have meant the turbine fans.
Hubbard gave us an accurate description of what Xenu's "Space Planes" looked like. What an imaginative fellow he was. Notice the Sea Org logo on the plane's tail: Hubbard was indeed a henchman of Xenu.When the space planes had reached Teegeeack/Earth, the paralyzed people were unloaded and stacked around the bases of volcanoes across the planet. Hydrogen bombs were lowered into the volcanoes, and all were detonated simultaneously. Only a few people's physical bodies survived.

The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for 36 days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, etcetera". This included all world religions, with Hubbard specifically attributing Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The interior decoration of "all modern theaters" is also said by Hubbard to be due to an unconscious recollection of Xenu's implants. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.

In addition to implanting new beliefs in the thetans, the images deprived them of their sense of personal identity. When the thetans left the projection areas, they started to cluster together in groups of a few thousand, having lost the ability to differentiate between each other. Each cluster of thetans gathered into one of the few remaining bodies that survived the explosion. These became what are known as body thetans, which are said to be still clinging to and adversely affecting everyone except those $cientologists who have performed the necessary steps to remove them.

The Loyal Officers finally overthrew Xenu and locked him away in a mountain, where he was imprisoned forever by a force field powered by an eternal battery. (Some have suggested that Xenu is imprisoned on Earth in the Pyrenees, but Hubbard merely refers to "one of these planets" [of the Galactic Confederacy]; he does, however, refer to the Pyrenees as being the site of the last operating "Martian report station", which is probably the source of this particular confusion.[3]) Teegeeack/Earth was subsequently abandoned by the Galactic Confederacy and remains a pariah "prison planet" to this day, although it has suffered repeatedly from incursions by alien "Invader Forces" since that time

Wow, keep going Mirror, interesting stuff. See, everyone, Science Fiction really CAN be interesting. (yea I know, warring words.)

Thanks sweetheart I found the free download. Im very familiar with him Have been for years

L.Ron Hubbard said that all science fiction was past lives.

Keep to the original post and I would be happy.

The shouldn't you address your fellow fundie and his remarks?

All know how I feel about Ron Hubbard.....no need.

I don’t know. You assume everyone "knows" you in some respect. I was pointing out that these tactics are unacceptable. I’m not sure what your point is. That’s not very new however.

Mirror, if you really were familiar with David Icke you would not have posted such garbage and untruth about him on this thread which only uses ridicule to discredit him as a source.

The only reason I mentioned his name was to quote my resource for the information about who wrote the Pentateuch.

Then you cut and pasted a bunch of unrelated stuff about L.Ron Hubbard which has nothing to do with the O.P. and is further off topic.

We know you know how to google and cut and paste. I agree with Feralcatlady, you are off topic.

JB

I will give Krisma a brief part of why I believe Scientology is crapola....then back on topic.....Not to mention all the bad withing Hubbard.


Kingdom of the cults.....a great book


Scientology’s Theology

Scientology speaks of a Supreme Being, God, and gods, without telling its members in which, if any, to believe. In The Scientology Catechism, it says, “What is the Scientology concept of God? We have no dogma in Scientology and each person’s concept is different. Each person attains his own certainty as to who God is and exactly what God means to him. The author of the universe exists. How this is symbolized is dictated by your early training and conscience.” Pages 197–220 contain the entire printed version of The Scientology Catechism. They further teach, “although the existence of the Supreme Being is affirmed in Scientology, His precise nature is not delineated, since the Church holds that each person must seek and know the Divine Nature in and for himself.” They address God in the monotheistic sense in many places, yet Hubbard also speaks of the activity of gods elsewhere. Their Articles of Incorporation (2.h) states, “Believing that Man’s best evidence of God is the God he finds within himself the Church of Scientology is formed to espouse such evidence of the Supreme Being and Spirit as may be knowable to Men.” Hubbard, then, finds no contradiction in promulgating polytheism. In his Phoenix Lectures, he indiscriminately allowed for monotheism or polytheism: “Let us take up what amounts to probably ten thousand years of study on the part of Man, on the identity of God or gods. ” He also exposes false gods commingled with true gods. “There are gods above all other gods,” he wrote. “There is not argument here against the existence of a Supreme Being or any devaluation intended. It is that amongst the gods, there are many false gods elected to power and position. There are gods above other gods, and gods beyond the gods of the universes.” Furthermore, he wrote a hymn stating, “There can be love for Gods.” And, “Behave[,] Obey[,] Be Courteous[,] To gods[,] Lord Buddha[,] And myself[,] And to your leaders ”

Their book on world religion leaves little doubt that the Hindu Brahman is closely paralleled with Scientology’s understanding of the Supreme Being. God is spoken of in terms of Hinduism. Though Hubbard provides no strict definition of the Supreme Being, his descriptive characteristics are enough for the Christian reader to see its unbiblical nature. Hubbard rejects the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. His Phoenix Lectures state, “The Christian god is actually much better characterized in the Vedic Hymns [Hinduism] than in any subsequent publication, including the Old Testament.” Again, he said, “The god the Christians worshipped is certainly not the Hebrew god. He looks much more like the one talked about in the Veda.” What he mistakenly assumed is that the Hindu “triad” is the basis for the Christian “Trinity.” This is not historical or biblical. The Trinity is based solely upon the revelation of God’s Word, as noted in chapter 5, page 101. Hubbard also wrote, “For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al.”

Scientologists are taught by Hubbard that man is part God and can attain a “godlike” nature. He wrote, “A pre-clear is a precise thing, part animal, part pictures, and part God.” In Hubbard’s evolutionary development of Homo sapiens, he teaches that man will evolve into “,” described as “very high and godlike.”

Scripture denies the possibility of other gods besides
the true God. There is but one God (Deuteronomy 4:39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:8; Mark 12:32; Ephesians 4:6; 1 Timothy 2:5; and James 2:19).

The Bible always presents a sharp distinction between God and man. Scripture reminds us in Numbers 23:19, “God is not a man, that he should lie.” Hosea 11:9 says, “I am God, and not man, the Holy One in the midst of thee.” A study of God’s omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience truncates the words of Hubbard (1 Samuel 2:3; 1 Kings 8:27; Job 42:2; Jeremiah 23:24; 32:17; Romans 11:33).

Scientology is far from truth. Written by a con man, just as Eckankar was. The over all agenda is to make money.

A true teacher does not charge money.

That is not saying that it has not been helpful to some people as all religion is at times, but anything that is based on myth and/or science fiction is of no interest to me.

It may be of interest to others, but not me. No one really knows truth, we each find our own path eventually.

JB

Feral, I am not interested in your opinion of Hubbard. My opinion of him is also irrelevant. The point here that I have tried to express to you at least three times now is that one of your fundies took it upon himself to begin to copy and paste a bunch of personal attacks directed towards Darwin and others. That is a horrible thing to do and is clearly demonstrative of your loss of ground at this point. It smacks of a cornered animal flailing in distress.

Either debate, or get out of the crapper already.

For all I know maybe men killed them all. Look at what happens when men kill a lot of animals to quickly they go extinct. I don't believe in evolution, and carbon dating is unreliable. I think carbon dating is really unreliable because what if the bones where frozen for a period of time that would mean that the dating of the bones would be flawed. If I were someone alive at that time I would probably kill a dinosaur and eat it because it would provide food for a long period of time when preserved or it may have been the reason we are now at the top of the food chain, because we killed what was ahead of us.

Radioactive decay is not affected by temperature, so freezing wouldn't really affect carbon dating.

Krimsa,

In english you have your inconsistency.

But as written, you do not.

As I have said, create light and then make the lamp.

one ddoes not make the lamp without purpose and then make light and call the flame or glow a light.

Verse 1 says that "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, but in verses 6-8, God MAKES the firmament and CALLS the firmament Heaven, by starting out as "letting a firmament be in the midst of the water, for division.

That is day 2.


In verses9-13, let the water and let the dry land....


...and called the dry (land) earth.



You have a bigger problem, as I see it, seperating the beginning from day 2 and day 3.

That is a greater contradiction for you than ignoring the Hebrew altogether, as fliipantly as you have, for seeking excuse from the table and the food for thought thereon.

As I always say, had you been around to hear it, and heard it also lately and from time to time, that anyone that can get past Genesis 1 can get through all of it.

You cannot even get past Genesis 1 : 1-8 without running smack dab into the middl of one huge contradiction as you read it.


There is no more necessity than that to continue, for anyone, unless there is a valid reason for doing so.

On the basis for establishing any personal credibility to your comprehension as to why in fact you are reading Genesis at all, it is apparent from your findings and intentions that you are not concerned wth what may be the point overall.

For you, there is insuffuicient reason to propel you any further.

It is folly to do so, according to your reasoning.


Take your own advice and leave it be as drivel.

There can be no credibility to any of it at all on the basis of that which has given you your key of discernment with any regard to comprehending it at all.

Your discoveries have failed to justify ignoring your standard and the parameters by which you will test your standard for it in examination.


There is nothing left to discover, logically, with sound reason then.

I will not address any other motivation or purpose or standard by which you might endeavor to continue on.

It has laredy been established that any credibiity at all is forsaken, in your judgement.


I would reason then, that there remains for you no suitable basis in fact for continuing attempts to delight yourself with discussing it.


You see only that which you have given yourself to see in the writings and they do not meet with your standards applied to them.

Therefore, I conclude that any further pursuit to discuss your findings of Genesis and beyond is an unfruitful endeavor worthy of your abandonment.

I invite you to listen to your own integrity and abandon the futility of any such further investigations as unfruitful and disengenuous to your intent and endeavor as entered into.

You need not burden yourself with sharing your insights which have proved insurmountably beneficial to you.

Any other with as sound and healthy judgement as yours ought to realize the same as you have from your investigative attentions.

Those with different standards surely will not meet you with approval of your own perjudicial filters.

Any attempts to liken your discussions to helping others is ludicrous without also realizing that they too have their own reasons for investigating the works intelligently according to their own standards and prameters.

Not the least of which include harmonizing all thing written before categorically rejecting the whole as dismissively void of any content and character which has escaped your own better judgement.


Debating the finer points of scripture has proved to be an ignorant responsibilty for which you need not attend yourself to and acknowledgements accordingly do not serve your purpose, so why continue as though sincerity is motivation for you? There is no sincerity in adopting a stance which ignores the inescapable evidence of the original work in the original tongue.

Nor is there any credibility in the advance of your talking points since your judgement precludes resolve inconsistent with your apprehensions already met with sufficient cause given them in your own initial intent.


you win, but you lost it.

This is an interesting point and believe me, it was the premise for a slew of science fiction films made circa 1960.

In the latter years of the last Ice Age, the Woolly mammoth co-existed with humans such as the Neanderthal and the Cro-Magnon people. Prehistoric cave paintings in France and Spain have been found with images of the Woolly mammoth including hunting scenes. Throughout world regions where Woolly mammoths existed at the same times as humans, kill sites have been discovered where mammoth carcasses had been butchered. At these sites, scientists have found both stone tools and mammoth bones displaying gashes and cuts, evidence of cutting and scraping by humans using these stone tools.

Another animal that co-existed with early man was the saber tooth tiger. I’m sure that brought down a few humans also. It’s possible that man actually might have hunted the woolly mammoth to the point of extinction or close to it which goes right along with your theory. They don’t totally know. It could have also been due to climate change that was very slowly occurring. It is believed that the end of the last Ice Age and the warming of the Earth caused the Woolly mammoths to die out at the end of the Pleistocene Period.