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Topic: what Is The Truth About Dinosaurs
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Fri 08/15/08 06:35 AM

Shh! Don't tell em about the continental drift theory Krimsa.... that will get them off on tangents before this gets *really* good.

Besides... if you do that, then the Mormons are going to show up and start in with the stuff about THEIR testament, and how the world had to always be configured exactly the same way, or the idea of Jesus coming to the western hemisphere for the second set of documents is shot.


The plate tectonics theory was initially proposed by Antonio Snider-Pellegrini, a Christian scientist, in 1859. Modern science didn't accept the theory until the 1950's. The Bible is quite clear that at one time all of the land was in one mass, which is part of what led Antonio to his theory. One clue he found was in the study of fossilized plants, he found identical fossilized plants in the US and Europe.

To suggest now, 150 years AFTER a young earth creationist first suggested the theory of Plate Tectonics, that Christianity cannot deal with the concept is somewhat amusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Snider-Pellegrini

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Fri 08/15/08 06:41 AM
i wasn't going to tell anyone, but ia ctually captured them all and put them in the garage, they are pretty pissed now, but shhhh.

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Fri 08/15/08 06:52 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Fri 08/15/08 06:59 AM
Plate Tectonics, theory that the outer shell of the earth is made up of thin, rigid plates that move relative to each other. The theory of plate tectonics was formulated during the early 1960s, and it revolutionized the field of geology. Scientists have successfully used it to explain many geological events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions as well as mountain building and the formation of the oceans and continents.

Plate tectonics arose from an earlier theory proposed by German scientist Alfred Wegener in 1912. Looking at the shapes of the continents, Wegener found that they fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. Using this observation, along with geological evidence he found on different continents, he developed the theory of continental drift, which states that today’s continents were once joined together into one large landmass.

Geologists of the 1950s and 1960s found evidence supporting the idea of tectonic plates and their movement. They applied Wegener’s theory to various aspects of the changing earth and used this evidence to confirm continental drift. By 1968 scientists integrated most geologic activities into a theory called the New Global Tectonics, or more commonly, Plate Tectonics.

I hate to be a stickler for the details but...I was actually pointing out how this period of time, the later Cretaceous, some 65 million years ago, may have been fraught with tectonic activity and also volcanic eruptions and instability. This could have further effected dinosaur populations, the one that still remained at this point in time.

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Fri 08/15/08 06:55 AM

Plate Tectonics, theory that the outer shell of the earth is made up of thin, rigid plates that move relative to each other. The theory of plate tectonics was formulated during the early 1960s, and it revolutionized the field of geology. Scientists have successfully used it to explain many geological events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions as well as mountain building and the formation of the oceans and continents.

Plate tectonics arose from an earlier theory proposed by German scientist Alfred Wegener in 1912. Looking at the shapes of the continents, Wegener found that they fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. Using this observation, along with geological evidence he found on different continents, he developed the theory of continental drift, which states that today’s continents were once joined together into one large landmass.

Geologists of the 1950s and 1960s found evidence supporting the idea of tectonic plates and their movement. They applied Wegener’s theory to various aspects of the changing earth and used this evidence to confirm continental drift. By 1968 scientists integrated most geologic activities into a theory called the New Global Tectonics, or more commonly, Plate Tectonics.

I hate to be a stickler for the details but...


Good, if you are a stickler for details, then you will want to read about Antonio Snider-Pellegrino. He proposed the theory in 1859, but it wasn't until the 1950-60's that it was looked at seriously by scientists. You will find that your source is incorrect, because it overlooks the person who originally proposed the theory.

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Fri 08/15/08 07:00 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Fri 08/15/08 07:01 AM



I hate to be a stickler for the details but...I was actually pointing out how this period of time, the later Cretaceous, some 65 million years ago, may have been fraught with tectonic activity and also volcanic eruptions and instability. This could have further effected dinosaur populations, the species that still remained at this point.

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Fri 08/15/08 07:03 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Fri 08/15/08 07:03 AM

I hate to be a stickler for the details but...I was actually pointing out how this period of time, the later Cretaceous, some 65 million years ago, may have been fraught with tectonic activity and also volcanic eruptions and instability. This could have further effected dinosaur populations, the species that still remained at this point.


And plate movement could have been caused by sea-floor spreading during the flood. The end result would have been billions of fossils, mass extinction and the change of the earths environment.

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Fri 08/15/08 07:12 AM
Oh yes, your beloved "flood theory". I would take this into consideration but not at the exclusion of all other evidence. Wouldn’t these past cultures or civilizations have something, anything to indicate a remembrance of this cataclysmic event? We know that cities existed as far back as 7000 BC. Even if it was all destroyed by this flood, the geologic evidence left behind would support this theory in some capacity.





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Fri 08/15/08 07:19 AM

Oh yes, your beloved "flood theory". I would take this into consideration but not at the exclusion of all other evidence. Wouldn’t these past cultures or civilizations have something, anything to indicate a remembrance of this cataclysmic event? We know that cities existed as far back as 7000 BC. Even if it was all destroyed by this flood, the geologic evidence left behind would support this theory in some capacity.


Dating isn't an exact science. Dating in archeology is really a guessing game. Archeologists might believe that a city is 7,000 years old, but floods, fires, disease, famine, population influx, etc can effect their dating techniques.

Almost every society on the planet have stories about a world wide flood.

It's not a theory, it's a belief, which can be supported by theory.

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Fri 08/15/08 07:21 AM


Plate Tectonics, theory that the outer shell of the earth is made up of thin, rigid plates that move relative to each other. The theory of plate tectonics was formulated during the early 1960s, and it revolutionized the field of geology. Scientists have successfully used it to explain many geological events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions as well as mountain building and the formation of the oceans and continents.

Plate tectonics arose from an earlier theory proposed by German scientist Alfred Wegener in 1912. Looking at the shapes of the continents, Wegener found that they fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. Using this observation, along with geological evidence he found on different continents, he developed the theory of continental drift, which states that today’s continents were once joined together into one large landmass.

Geologists of the 1950s and 1960s found evidence supporting the idea of tectonic plates and their movement. They applied Wegener’s theory to various aspects of the changing earth and used this evidence to confirm continental drift. By 1968 scientists integrated most geologic activities into a theory called the New Global Tectonics, or more commonly, Plate Tectonics.

I hate to be a stickler for the details but...


Good, if you are a stickler for details, then you will want to read about Antonio Snider-Pellegrino. He proposed the theory in 1859, but it wasn't until the 1950-60's that it was looked at seriously by scientists. You will find that your source is incorrect, because it overlooks the person who originally proposed the theory.

I'd like to point out that Antonio Snider-Pelligrini theorized about continental drift, which is a COMPLETELY different subject from plate tectonics. His theory was also based on an Earth that was billions of years old. He was an old Earth creationist.

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Fri 08/15/08 07:43 AM

I'd like to point out that Antonio Snider-Pelligrini theorized about continental drift, which is a COMPLETELY different subject from plate tectonics. His theory was also based on an Earth that was billions of years old. He was an old Earth creationist.


No, they are the same subject.

Continental drift is the theory that the continents moved.

Plate Tectonics is the theory that the continents moved and suggests how the continents moved.

The only thing lacking from the Continental drift theories was HOW they moved.

Antonio believed in catastrophic plate movement caused by Noah's flood. I'm not sure if he's an OEC or YEC, but he unquestionably believed in Noah's flood, a belief that OEC's reject.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:02 AM


I'd like to point out that Antonio Snider-Pelligrini theorized about continental drift, which is a COMPLETELY different subject from plate tectonics. His theory was also based on an Earth that was billions of years old. He was an old Earth creationist.


No, they are the same subject.

Continental drift is the theory that the continents moved.

Plate Tectonics is the theory that the continents moved and suggests how the continents moved.

The only thing lacking from the Continental drift theories was HOW they moved.

Antonio believed in catastrophic plate movement caused by Noah's flood. I'm not sure if he's an OEC or YEC, but he unquestionably believed in Noah's flood, a belief that OEC's reject.

From wikipedia
Antonio Snider-Pellegrini (1802-1885) was a French geographer and scientist who theorized about the possibility of continental drift, anticipating Wegener's theories concerning Pangaea by several decades.

In 1858, Snider-Pellegrini published in Paris his book, La Création et ses mystères dévoilés ("Creation and its Mysteries Unveiled"). He proposed that all of the continents were once connected together during the Pennsylvanian Period. He based this theory on the fact that he had found plant fossils in both Europe and the United States that were identical.

Snider-Pellegrini also believed that it was the Great Flood of the Bible that had caused the fragmentation of the supercontinent.[1]

The Pennslyvania period is 310-280 million years ago. So he obviously is an OEC that believes in the flood.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:11 AM
IN California, the redwoods are the same as the redwoods on the eastern seaboard of Asia.

found no where else on the planet.

some of the trees in California are older that when Jesus walked.

some older still . and still living.

hhhmmmmmm.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:16 AM
Drift accounts generally for the movement of continents sure... but in order for an event of magnitude great enough to push continents around to occur and to do so in about 1.5 months you have some SERIOUS seismic activity. A wooden boat full of critters isn't going to fare well on the ocean swells produced by that.

There are a lot of cases where "Biblical Science" has a correct general notion of things but for the wrong reason.

Oh... and your Antonio guy certainly wasn't the first to venture the idea of drift. Francis Bacon (another famous Sicencey guy) beat him out by a couple hundred years, and he wasn't the first either.

Pretty much anyone with rudimentary cartography skills can see that all the continents fit together more or less like a puzzle. This is by no means science.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:22 AM

Drift accounts generally for the movement of continents sure... but in order for an event of magnitude great enough to push continents around to occur and to do so in about 1.5 months you have some SERIOUS seismic activity. A wooden boat full of critters isn't going to fare well on the ocean swells produced by that.

There are a lot of cases where "Biblical Science" has a correct general notion of things but for the wrong reason.

Oh... and your Antonio guy certainly wasn't the first to venture the idea of drift. Francis Bacon (another famous Sicencey guy) beat him out by a couple hundred years, and he wasn't the first either.

Pretty much anyone with rudimentary cartography skills can see that all the continents fit together more or less like a puzzle. This is by no means science.


The waters didn't recede for one year, so it wouldn't have had to happen in 40 days.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:25 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Fri 08/15/08 08:30 AM



I'd like to point out that Antonio Snider-Pelligrini theorized about continental drift, which is a COMPLETELY different subject from plate tectonics. His theory was also based on an Earth that was billions of years old. He was an old Earth creationist.


No, they are the same subject.

Continental drift is the theory that the continents moved.

Plate Tectonics is the theory that the continents moved and suggests how the continents moved.

The only thing lacking from the Continental drift theories was HOW they moved.

Antonio believed in catastrophic plate movement caused by Noah's flood. I'm not sure if he's an OEC or YEC, but he unquestionably believed in Noah's flood, a belief that OEC's reject.

From wikipedia
Antonio Snider-Pellegrini (1802-1885) was a French geographer and scientist who theorized about the possibility of continental drift, anticipating Wegener's theories concerning Pangaea by several decades.

In 1858, Snider-Pellegrini published in Paris his book, La Création et ses mystères dévoilés ("Creation and its Mysteries Unveiled"). He proposed that all of the continents were once connected together during the Pennsylvanian Period. He based this theory on the fact that he had found plant fossils in both Europe and the United States that were identical.

Snider-Pellegrini also believed that it was the Great Flood of the Bible that had caused the fragmentation of the supercontinent.[1]

The Pennslyvania period is 310-280 million years ago. So he obviously is an OEC that believes in the flood.


You are confusing two things. Antonio believed that there was one super continent in the Pennslyvania period, but WHEN did he believe that the fragmentation occurred. You quoted it yourself, he believed the fragmentation occurred during Noah's flood.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:27 AM

Drift accounts generally for the movement of continents sure... but in order for an event of magnitude great enough to push continents around to occur and to do so in about 1.5 months you have some SERIOUS seismic activity. A wooden boat full of critters isn't going to fare well on the ocean swells produced by that.



Sorry, this was funny and quite observant in a logical kind of way. :wink:

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Fri 08/15/08 08:42 AM
Just makes me wonder how many laws of physics God is allowed to violate before justifying the Bible through rational scieney methods is chucked out the window, and they start admitting that God is a magical space man who can alter the nature of reality without creating severe disturbances accrossthe entire universe.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:47 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Fri 08/15/08 08:48 AM
I don’t think they need to use science necessarily as a basis to support their beliefs because god didn’t. That’s an "arrogant human thing" according to them.laugh

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Fri 08/15/08 08:48 AM




I'd like to point out that Antonio Snider-Pelligrini theorized about continental drift, which is a COMPLETELY different subject from plate tectonics. His theory was also based on an Earth that was billions of years old. He was an old Earth creationist.


No, they are the same subject.

Continental drift is the theory that the continents moved.

Plate Tectonics is the theory that the continents moved and suggests how the continents moved.

The only thing lacking from the Continental drift theories was HOW they moved.

Antonio believed in catastrophic plate movement caused by Noah's flood. I'm not sure if he's an OEC or YEC, but he unquestionably believed in Noah's flood, a belief that OEC's reject.

From wikipedia
Antonio Snider-Pellegrini (1802-1885) was a French geographer and scientist who theorized about the possibility of continental drift, anticipating Wegener's theories concerning Pangaea by several decades.

In 1858, Snider-Pellegrini published in Paris his book, La Création et ses mystères dévoilés ("Creation and its Mysteries Unveiled"). He proposed that all of the continents were once connected together during the Pennsylvanian Period. He based this theory on the fact that he had found plant fossils in both Europe and the United States that were identical.

Snider-Pellegrini also believed that it was the Great Flood of the Bible that had caused the fragmentation of the supercontinent.[1]

The Pennslyvania period is 310-280 million years ago. So he obviously is an OEC that believes in the flood.


You are confusing two things. Antonio believed that there was one super continent in the Pennslyvania period, but WHEN did he believe that the fragmentation occurred. You quoted it yourself, he believed the fragmentation occurred during Noah's flood.

I was pointing out that you're quoting YEC information from a scientist that was an OEC.

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Fri 08/15/08 08:49 AM

Just makes me wonder how many laws of physics God is allowed to violate before justifying the Bible through rational scieney methods is chucked out the window, and they start admitting that God is a magical space man who can alter the nature of reality without creating severe disturbances accrossthe entire universe.


While God isn't magical or a space man, God can alter the nature of reality without creating severe disturbances across the entire universe. It's part and parcel with being omnipotent. In fact, while the Israelites were wandering the desert, their cloths and shoes didn't wear out, which is a suspension of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

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