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Tribospurtology has answered this question beyond refutation it shows that the earth is both 4.51113245569 billion yrs old minus leap years!!and has only had lizardillion type life occurring in "spurts" - here and there when necessary to keep the vegetation down to an acceptable amount. long term life did not take place until the last several thousand years - this can be proven beyond a doubt because there is no litter or garbage up until that time. Litterologist and garbologist both agree that life in abundance does not or can not be in mass till garbage starts to accumulate in mass. Ralston Purina - a 7 thousand year old critter food mfg., also did not come out with dino-chow until about 6000 yrs AD. Without purina chows - life could not exist!! There fore all your conclusion on this subject have become "moot" now lets move on to the next unprovable debate!! 
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wouldee
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Wouldee, Do you have visions of teaching a creationism class? Tell me, will atheists and scientists be allowed to attend and ask questions or are only true believers going to be allowed to come? JB no dear. seriously. I am not available for that. the next question would be what my credentials are, huh? 
In all fairness to you, JB. I preach Christ and him crucified. I lead men to Jesus and back myself out of the way when the Holy Spirit takes them on to lead them. At that point I am done. They come to me, JB. I seek no one out. That means I am not a proselytizer. I do not go to any. they are sent to me, if they are close enough to my world. if not, God sends them to another, JB. It is that simple. I stay out of the ownership game 
it is a no no JB. 
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Jeanniebean
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Sat 08/16/08 08:53 PM
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yup you don't get it O deluded one. read it as it is, clown, you have had weeks to share it. you and the other clowns spouting about genesis 1 to your content without nary a word from me. shall all here take your pontifivcat arrogance to heart as truth, tribolator? sit down aND BE STILL CLOWN. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF. tHERE ARE TOO MANY HOLY BIBLES IN THE WORLD FOR YOU TO TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THEM ALL AND KEEP OTHERS FOR READING FOR THEMSELVES. YOU ARE DAFT.
Wouldee, seriously, don't you know there are rules in these forums about personal attacks? Do you think you are immune? Have you no self control at all? Try to recover your dignity and stop with the nastiness please. It just does not look good on you. JB |
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PRIORY 101 before day one, Genesis says in the very first verse that God created heaven and earth from the beginning. Now then, kids, at no time does God say, according to Moses' account of those that he writes of God having said , does Moses write that God made the heavens and the earth on the fist day. It is in the susequent verses thatMoeses writes that God started declaring 'days'. one of those 'days' is the day and night given its distinction as being between light and darkeness. Pay attention, class. Genesis 1: 3-5. Now then. That day is not the 'day' that we call a 'day'. The hebrew uses a word for 'day' that means many things. Context must be assumed. So, let us assume, then, that the sun and the mmon are not the measure of that 'day', being as on the 'fourth day' as spoken of in Genesis 1:14-19. Allow the teacher to digress. LOL There are living organisms in the deepest oceans, which could conceivably have existed before the first 'day' according to Moses' account, if we can further assume that tempreature was regulated without the 'greater light to rule the day' (the sun) being required. For it does say that the "Spirit of God moved upon te face of the waters' in verse 2 prior to the 'first day'. We know that there are many living organisms that require no warmth and raidation from the sun to survive in sub freezing weters in complete darkness, day and night, as we know it. Why is it so difficult to grasp that whatever was, prior to the 'first day' in Genesis 1, is not excluded in that God may yet sustain those life forms by His Spirit? Genesis 1 does not preclude that from fact. It does say, "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". Not upon a solid block of ice. See genesis 1 :2. Now class, it stands consistent with the ambiguity of the length of 'day' in this account that all flora and fauna, as we know it, was manifest by God's Word on the 'fifth and sixth day'. Genesis 1: 20-31. How about working with what the account of Creation says, as given by Moses, according to what it says, and not according to what we want it to say? prehistoric life is not precluded from being present prior to the 'fist day' as given in scripture. Nor is it excluded. There is a priory to scripture. Read it for it what it says, kids. It says, prior to the first day, the earth and the heaven is already. It also says that the waters already exist before the 'first day', God n=merely divided the waters above and below from the firmament to give name to Heaven, not to say that the waters were created on the 'second day' with the firmament being named 'heaven'. Genesis 1:6-9, at the beginning of the 'third day' God called the land 'earth'. these are prior constructs being named. The word given for 'called' means to accost, to name, it does not mean to speak into existence that which already is. got that? ================================================== I have spoken of priory- a few times throughout different threads at different times, and no one has asked me what I mean by the term. Some of you know that I interpret scripture to conclude that Jesus Christ is that "priory", meaning that he is the means by which all things that are, in creation, are spoken into existence. As it is written of Jesus having said to those with him in the beginning of His earthly minstry, "before Abraham, I am". He is declaring that he is the "priory", the lesser house, if you will, not necessitating that the greater house is superceded or diminished, at all, by that revelatiun of himself as pre-existent. How do we infer that upon him? Based on his own words and testimony of God, being pre-existent himself, he tells us that he does nothing apart from the Father, and that those things which the Father says, he does. That is a sticking point to most, but neverthless, so in scripture. So, if it is so, in scripture, let us not seperate the scriptures so as to disallow this distinction. Therefore, priory has been established in scripture, so let us investigate scripture with the contexts of the priory given. carry on, kids. 
Scripture is by no means fact. If it was the human race would have died out long ago from it's incestuous beginnings. The stories of the bible are just that stories, if there is one iota of fact to them, it is just that an iota of fact. A person has the right to "believe" it if they so want to but to pass it as fact is not feasible at any level. |
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Jeanniebean
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Sat 08/16/08 08:52 PM
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I preach Christ and him crucified.
I lead men to Jesus and back myself out of the way when the Holy Spirit takes them on to lead them. At that point I am done. How do you KNOW that what you preach is true? How do you KNOW that you are not brainwashed or deluded? How do you know that you aren't just leading lambs to the slaughter where souls make an agreement to be enslaved by some alien god who pretends to be the creator? How do you know you aren't mistaken? 
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Dragoness,
OK? so what is the fact that is being bandied about? I am teaching what genesis says in fact, not that what it says is fact perse. see the difference? the pundits took their shot at genesis. I have said nothing for days while they twist it up. they can't even read the passages sanely. seriously, dear, look for yourself. Now every one gets out of joint at me for simply saying what it says, line by line? I am making no judgements other than displaying the words as given. the copy and paste pirates and the self proclaimed authorities of the dcscriptures here have said their piece. they brought themselves to an end of their words about that and ceased. I stole none of their thunder. nor did I argue with them. not on this.
so, let the chips fall where they may, and let the reader see that Genesis is being dissc=ected incompetently to try and deliver evolution as the origins of man. the Holy Bible is clear in the distinction that whatever was before man and this present gaarden of flora and fauna is irrelevant to the scriptures themselves. But in twisting the scriptures to further their nefarious agendas deceitfully, the get mad?????? no no. that is telling.
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Edited by
tribo
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Sat 08/16/08 09:06 PM
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shall all here take your pontifivcat arrogance to heart as truth, tribolator? T: boy i sure hope so wood man, otherwise their stuck with you and that aint good. you read the first verse of genisis and see a complete venue of thought - i see the first sentence in a story - that continues on with the final statement of the first days activities prove otherwise oh holy one. |
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It is bad enough to discover that what you believe is a lie. It is worse when you realize you have been selling it and telling it to others, all with the best of intentions and all with the heart in the right place.
It is a huge responsibility to gamble with other people's souls. What if "going into the light" is a soul trap? What if the "arms of Jesus" is an alien ship that takes souls or people to a processing plant for stripping and recycling of energy and information, dismantling the person until there is no will left. What if the good Shepard is just shearing and slaughtering the sheep? What if Satan masquerades as the savior? After all, he is the father of all lies. What would be the greatest lie of all? JB |
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yup you don't get it O deluded one. read it as it is, clown, you have had weeks to share it. you and the other clowns spouting about genesis 1 to your content without nary a word from me. shall all here take your pontifivcat arrogance to heart as truth, tribolator? sit down aND BE STILL CLOWN. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF. tHERE ARE TOO MANY HOLY BIBLES IN THE WORLD FOR YOU TO TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THEM ALL AND KEEP OTHERS FOR READING FOR THEMSELVES. YOU ARE DAFT.
Wouldee, seriously, don't you know there are rules in these forums about personal attacks? Do you think you are immune? Have you no self control at all? Try to recover your dignity and stop with the nastiness please. It just does not look good on you. JB if a man acts like a clown, is it any different because it is in the theater? No one will dispute that tribo has a sense of humor. he is a clown. and if hwe is f=daft, is it not possible that he is, only because I say so? I see no insult and tearing down of the man. Only sharp rebuke for his own words made without rebuttal over the days as to what constitutes the genesis acount as given by Moses. Now tribo wants us to believe that he doesn;t care whether or not it holds watwer. He wanted his twisting of the genesis account to hold water for tyhe attention it brings his lordship over the little people. How convenient. I wouldn''t be si worried for me, JB. the words of these men go unanswered aND THEY SMUGLY RELISH THE APPLAUSE. LOL I just quietly put forth to the reader with no fanf fare and no colorful atttention getting comedies what is actuall wwritten well after everyone else has settled don and all hell breaks out to declare Wouldee a false prophet. It is amusing, JB.
but I hear you, dear.
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Okay wouldee, I misunderstood what you were saying then. I apologize.
I really have no problem with the bible stories as long as they are kept in the context they were written in, which is stories. People have the right to believe them as truth if they want to but it will not pass the tests of truth when placed against logic. If a person says " I use the bible as my guide for my daily search for the spiritual guidance that I believe will lead me to the biblical god". What offense could another possibly take in this statement? It is when they come across with the threats of "we will all see one day", or " those who have been told and still choose not to follow will now burn in hell", etc... that is offensive and threatening. This will not get a positive response. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sat 08/16/08 09:42 PM
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tribo says, i think marx stated it best when he said religion is the opiate for the masses. so take a dose of spirit and shoot up wouldee and enjoy yourself, you have turned me off of god more than the book actually has, or ever could, go pray to your god wouldee, you need to ! communists hate God, and you quote a hater? only haters hate, tribo. yor true colors come out tonight. so, did you think you could endlessly spout your hatred and lies from your comfortable armchair and coddle the children as big daddy with the badge? I told you before, tribo. I don't like you. you show others why with this type of nonsense. you tried. you failed in your spin. they can read for themselves what it says in genesis. you know what it says. what a pretzel. sit down before you fall down, young buck.
communist hate your god wood man - that does not mean they hate the people. im not communist in the sense you mean it - basic communism is one for all and all for one. our feelings for one another are definitely mutual W, but i will not let that go any further than it has already. your not worth getting kicked off here for - i need to "spout my poison" to all the little children after all right? your friendly nazi demon from hell, the troll of M2 as ive been dubbed - signing off for the moment, but for sure ill be back wood man count on it! |
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I preach Christ and him crucified.
I lead men to Jesus and back myself out of the way when the Holy Spirit takes them on to lead them. At that point I am done. How do you KNOW that what you preach is true? How do you KNOW that you are not brainwashed or deluded? How do you know that you aren't just leading lambs to the slaughter where souls make an agreement to be enslaved by some alien god who pretends to be the creator? How do you know you aren't mistaken?
JB JB, the gospel bears the fruit of the original first church in action. scri[pture bears out that the gospel is duplicatible in the hearts of men b G9od, JB, not men. That which was, is today, among the little people without fanfare and trumpets and attention getting ceremonies and pomp and circumstance. and it always repeats itself. Fior christianity to be founf the real deal by any, God repeats the process over and over throiugh those of us that are IN the truth. The Holy Spirit does the work. Without the Holy Spirit touching lives, the whole thing is meaningless. But wqhen have the witness of any other bringing others into the truth, every one notices the fruit of the Spirit of God at work. I have resisted every attempt made to build a church around my ministry. I want none of that until God does it, not men. So far, it isn't my calling. It is not given me from God. He calls the shots, not men, not me. So what if I say it is so. It is so. it matters not to me that any believe. But the evidence is in the clarity of the simple beginnings beng adamantly maintained to a very high degree. So, though I MAY know much more than I tell, I limit myse;lf to preaching Christ crucified. As Paul taught, he also could spout and puff up with all that he knew, but he chose not to and gave his advice in that regard by saying first, I know nothing, except Jesus Christ and him crucufied. Now I ask you, JB, would that be the recipe for seeing the Holy Spirit move? Especially idf there is purported to be so much inccredible power in the Holy Spirit and in those so apprehended of? It is not a toy, JB. We are not our own. We are Christ's ambassadors in his absence. We do as he says, not as we want in the things of God. They are Jesus Christ's things, not ours. How much more so us that are called to this? We are Christ's all the more. I mmust decxrease that he which is in me be increased. I ask you, JB. Will that influence anyone in and of itself, especially if it is not known walking by me on the street? Who cares but those that want the power and prestige. There is none. Sporry to burst anyone's self delusioned bubble, but serving Jesus Christ is not about the power, nor about the attention, but allowing Christ to live and di=o his good will and pleasure through us. It is the Spirit in CXHrist's mind that is in his ambassadors minds, and that Spirit is from the Father, and glorying in that is not good, JB. It is counterproductive. It would lead to an admonition and a correction. It grieves the Holy Spirit to be taken advantage of. There is no fancy rewards oin this, only the satisfaction of knowing that God, in Christ, is still in the business of lifting people out of the miry clay and seetting their feet on the solid ground of jesus CHrist and his messsage in its fullness, one on one. One on one, JB. over and over again, I will always say, one on one. God and man, one on one. no man between that. no man between G0od and man. one on one. it repeats itself. one on one.
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W: shall all here take your pontifivcat arrogance to heart as truth, tribolator? T: boy i sure hope so wood man, otherwise their stuck with you and that aint good. you read the first verse of genisis and see a complete venue of thought - i see the first sentence in a story - that continues on with the final statement of the first days activities prove otherwise oh holy one. well, others can accept you at your word O pontificant One or they can read it for themselves. no worries tribo. why should you care? worrid? you ought to be. oh well.... you swung and missed. go sit down in slence. you have done all you can now. rest. let the people do what they nedd to. it really is none of your concern, tribo.   
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 08/16/08 09:27 PM
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I see no insult and tearing down of the man.
Really? The fact is YOU have gotten more threads completely deleted with your poison pen than anyone else since I have been on this club. Apparently the moderators don't agree that there is no insult in your words. In the past you have scolded me for being rude and insensitive to others on this club and I did hear you and I did listen, even as condescending as you were to me to the point of having the entire threads deleted. I have Christian friends on this club and although we don't agree on most things I respect their right to rant or preach or whatever. Surly you realize that you do insult people. If you don't, then you are not aware of yourself. JB |
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tribo says, i think marx stated it best when he said religion is the opiate for the masses. so take a dose of spirit and shoot up wouldee and enjoy yourself, you have turned me off of god more than the book actually has, or ever could, go pray to your god wouldee, you need to ! communists hate God, and you quote a hater? only haters hate, tribo. yor true colors come out tonight. so, did you think you could endlessly spout your hatred and lies from your comfortable armchair and coddle the children as big daddy with the badge? I told you before, tribo. I don't like you. you show others why with this type of nonsense. you tried. you failed in your spin. they can read for themselves what it says in genesis. you know what it says. what a pretzel. sit down before you fall down, young buck.
communist hate your god wood man - that does not mean they hate the people. im not communist in the sense you mean it - basic communism is one for all and all for one. are feelings for one another are definitely mutual W, but i will not let that go any further than it has already. your not worth getting kick off here for - i need to "spout my poison" to all the little children after all right? your friendly nazi demon from hell, the troll of M2 as ive been dubbed - signing off for the moment, but for sure ill be back wood man count on it! go preach hat to the proletariat, comrade. I don't care to know what you be;leive or desire for yourself. knock yourself out. I lready knew that about you. so what?
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Edited by
wouldee
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Sat 08/16/08 09:35 PM
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I see no insult and tearing down of the man.
Really? The fact is YOU have gotten more threads completely deleted with your poison pen than anyone else since I have been on this club. Apparently the moderators don't agree that there is no insult in your words. In the past you have scolded me for being rude and insensitive to others on this club and I did hear you and I did listen, even as condescending as you were to me to the point of having the entire threads deleted. I have Christian friends on this club and although we don't agree on most things I respect their right to rant or preach or whatever. Surly you realize that you do insult people. If you don't, then you are not aware of yourself. JB
thjsat is really funny JB I do not get the threads deleted. the clowns that lose their temper and abuse their privileges do. They do it to themselves by their reactions, emotionally charged and erroneous as they are on their own merits. as a m,atter of fact, it is not the dialogue I have that gets the threads in trouble, it is thwe half cocked stupidity and arrogant pride of those that respond to others as they do if any such response came back on me, I never saw it and wouldn't know, JB. you have your wires crossed severly, my dear. I do what I can to calm the fires. LOL' ' You know that. I have aided your stepping over thwe line, yes. I hear you, but it is not me, dear, it is the reacton to the Genesis account as given. read it, JB. it is what it is. I didn't change it, I taught it as it is. see things as they are, not as you wish them to be. I say nothing that should warrant such things. you chew on that, dear.
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I preach Christ and him crucified.
I lead men to Jesus and back myself out of the way when the Holy Spirit takes them on to lead them. At that point I am done. How do you KNOW that what you preach is true? How do you KNOW that you are not brainwashed or deluded? How do you know that you aren't just leading lambs to the slaughter where souls make an agreement to be enslaved by some alien god who pretends to be the creator? How do you know you aren't mistaken?
JB JB, the gospel bears the fruit of the original first church in action. scri[pture bears out that the gospel is duplicatible in the hearts of men b G9od, JB, not men. That which was, is today, among the little people without fanfare and trumpets and attention getting ceremonies and pomp and circumstance. and it always repeats itself. Fior christianity to be founf the real deal by any, God repeats the process over and over throiugh those of us that are IN the truth. The Holy Spirit does the work. Without the Holy Spirit touching lives, the whole thing is meaningless. But wqhen have the witness of any other bringing others into the truth, every one notices the fruit of the Spirit of God at work. I have resisted every attempt made to build a church around my ministry. I want none of that until God does it, not men. So far, it isn't my calling. It is not given me from God. He calls the shots, not men, not me. So what if I say it is so. It is so. it matters not to me that any believe. But the evidence is in the clarity of the simple beginnings beng adamantly maintained to a very high degree. So, though I MAY know much more than I tell, I limit myse;lf to preaching Christ crucified. As Paul taught, he also could spout and puff up with all that he knew, but he chose not to and gave his advice in that regard by saying first, I know nothing, except Jesus Christ and him crucufied. Now I ask you, JB, would that be the recipe for seeing the Holy Spirit move? Especially idf there is purported to be so much inccredible power in the Holy Spirit and in those so apprehended of? It is not a toy, JB. We are not our own. We are Christ's ambassadors in his absence. We do as he says, not as we want in the things of God. They are Jesus Christ's things, not ours. How much more so us that are called to this? We are Christ's all the more. I mmust decxrease that he which is in me be increased. I ask you, JB. Will that influence anyone in and of itself, especially if it is not known walking by me on the street? Who cares but those that want the power and prestige. There is none. Sporry to burst anyone's self delusioned bubble, but serving Jesus Christ is not about the power, nor about the attention, but allowing Christ to live and di=o his good will and pleasure through us. It is the Spirit in CXHrist's mind that is in his ambassadors minds, and that Spirit is from the Father, and glorying in that is not good, JB. It is counterproductive. It would lead to an admonition and a correction. It grieves the Holy Spirit to be taken advantage of. There is no fancy rewards oin this, only the satisfaction of knowing that God, in Christ, is still in the business of lifting people out of the miry clay and seetting their feet on the solid ground of jesus CHrist and his messsage in its fullness, one on one. One on one, JB. over and over again, I will always say, one on one. God and man, one on one. no man between that. no man between G0od and man. one on one. it repeats itself. one on one.
WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!! Could it be that we, the 'bad ones', have it all wrong about wouldee?!?!?! That somehow, in our utmost egocentric, pretentious and pompous ways, we might have been so self absorbed as to miss out completely on that which has been glaring at us for some time! About wouldee?!?!? The truth about wouldee?!?!? The truth itself?!?!? Wouldee himself!?!?! Are you with me now 'bad ones'!?!?!? Are you getting this through the clouds of delusion which have been eating away at our souls??!?! WOULDEE and TRUTH!!! ... are but one and the same!!! ... wouldee is the ... ... my god ... ... the 2nd ... ... coming ... ... Oh! my god, ... I can't believe we have been so blind as to miss the light all together!!! Truth itself couldn't even carve our armour of deceit!!! ... wouldee, I accept you as ... I accept... wouldee... ... as whatever you say!!! I got it wouldee!!! YOU'RE THE HUMBLE ONE!!! |
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Edited by
wouldee
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Sat 08/16/08 10:35 PM
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wow
cute Voila!!!!!!!! makes you nervous, doesn't it? let's look at this. Because I depict that which is sincerely the walk as the scripitures show, and because I say that I am a christian and walk this way because of the way it is, I am given this crown of thorns from you? these are not my stripes, Voila!!!!!, they are stripes for Jesus from you. It is not me you hate and despise, it is Christ in me. I wear that cross, Voila!!!!!!. I share in His suffering every day, as all true christians do. But not by everyone. and men such as you in your callous and arrogant misfortunes that afford you the audacity to impose upon my person vainglorious contempt is appalling. What would a christian stand for to please your self righteous superiority as judge of christians? Are you the appointed fruit inspector general,Voila!!!!! ??????????????? Is that your precious god given talent? or have you made an encore presentation for my personal viewing pleasure? Is it the truth you see, or is it a clever machination of a cunning orator that is getting about to deceive you and project a false image that you may read of in wonder and dream of for yourself? Do you wish to ever know that a christian is as one should be? Your words lend me many questions, Voila!!!!!!!!! They are best served in your own heart, in the sanctity of your own privacy, not here where I can offer to you that your jesting is a display of your hardened and sarcastic self appointed judgements as the one true arbiter of facilitation and merit. You take issue with what? Voila!!!!! me?, or that I can articulate the walk? if it is me, you applaud yourself that you have the sense to not be one of those christians. Or is it the walk that you take issue with, my accomplished and learned friend? Have you forsaken all to know and bear the scars and turmoil and stresses and offenses to call me into question as though I had not? On the contrary, Voila!!!!!!!!! Had you ever entered into that which you judge now as you do, it would be the furthest contemplation in your mind to act on. With that, I give you yourself. The Void calling the broken vessel made right for the Lord, a counterfeit. How charming a reduction of your integrity, O significant One. try again. this was a swing and a miss of biblical proportions. use your head and your wit this time, not your nervous arrogance and pride in ignorance. Speak O wise one. Tell of your sweet judgement and knowledge off all things in Christ and how you sit in judgement and on what basis in fact. Come come, Voila!!!!!!!!!! step up to the plate and be convincing in your assessment of me. Don't be shy. God will not intervene. Will he? you are his arbiter, aren't you? 
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