The problem remains that you have not defined 'what' they really were.

Are we speaking of a man who dressed as a woman, or of a woman who was born with both genitalia, or what?

I agree. Like I saw the Berlin wall come down while sitting in the back ofa limo eating Burger King in the Magic Castle parking lot which is a cool memory. I have had younger guys say, "The Berlin what?" Or I was in PE getting dressed when the Challenger blew up and we all sat in the lockerroom holding each other and crying. Or I was home for some reason the day Reagan was shot watching soap operas with my sister and they broke in "The President has been shot". I find if I go a tad older they have these kind of memories too. If I got younger, they have no clue what I am talking about. I refer to much younger boyfriends as"hamsters" as I feel they just dirty up the existing cage and make more of a mess and eat more. My last boyfriend had heard me say that and hesaid, "This hamster hunts and gathers, and knows how to cook and clean!" LOL.

love does not have to be conditional - I think it just is - if it is it is

what is conditional is what we let happen - whether a relationship can function is what is conditional

I personally don't care what individuals do, however I find the whole idea of labeling older women "cougars" ridiculous and insulting, even though most of the time "politically correctness" also makes me nuts. That's probably telling - if I were dating someone younger I'd be labeled. Yuck.

Its not trickery in all cases. IF you were born with OVARIES< that doesnt change with any surgery. If you were born with ovaries and testes,, deciding would be a necessity.

If you were born with just TESTES, that is also not going to change by recreating the appearance of the OUTSIDE.

If you were born with testes AND ovaries, deciding would be a necessity and not a deception.

Those born with testes, who later decide to APPEAR as if they have ovaries, are being deceptive UNLESS They share that that is what they have done.

Those born with ovaries, who later decide to APPEAR as if they have testes, are being deceptive UNLESS they share that this is what they have done.

I am neither pro nor con regarding sexual deviances and preferences. I am an emotional deviant, and whether a deviance is emotional, physical, sexual, or inter-species, they are all part of a diversity of the human nature that I feel should not invite discrimination.
However. There are lies and there are lies. Particularly if a lie is coveringup a deal breaker or not.
A woman who puts on make-up is lying, but her birthmark revealed with the wash-off of the make-up or when her bra comes off and light comes to her vasectomy, the guy still knows she is a woman. Despite her lies.
You see, straight guys get repulsed by gay sex, and gay guys get repulsed by heterosexual sex. A very gay friend of mine told me that I should not describe sexual acts, even such mild ones as sucking on a female breat, because it grosses him out. I got grossed out when in my taxi two young gay men could not wait to get home.
This is human nature. We can internalize tolerance, but we can't go against our nature, whether we are gay or straight.
A MAN who makes others believe he is a WOMAN is using make-up to lie, too, but the lie is too big. It breaks a barrier, it is so big. No straight man would want to know a another man in the biblical sense, whether that other man is dressed as a woman or as a wolf in sheep's clothing. So the lie makes a huge difference in this case.
I am not judging anyone, please don't get me wrong. I am just saying that lying about your gender when meeting people potentially for sex istherefore not acceptable by most members of society. Then they retaliate, whether justly or not, is none of my call, but explicably. The explanation is easy: when a man thinks he is about to experience the ultimate sensation of pleasure, and instead he is grossed out, he can't be expected to act in a sportsmanlike behavour, or to be a good soldier about it and shrug it off. This is a very major issue, not due to honour, not due to morals, not due to religious feelings (I have none of these three), but a total urge to puke with immediate notice is biological, and that is that.
You can't argue a man out of biology. Whether he is gay, straight, or likes men dressed in women's clothing.
Much like you can't convince a man who jumps off a cliff to fall up and not down.

Somebody hasn't heard about Foreplay.

My point, just like someone else's earlier in the thread is if you've noticed, so have they. Try to do things with them, rather than telling them what they should do.

After my accident; I gained weight as I couldn't walk. My ex called me fat and although it was true; I thought he could have said it more in a tactful way.

I agree with this.

Not all people know how to love and sometimes those people wind up in relationships with those who love with all of their heart. While one starts to put down roots and gets to ready to grow, the other one just can't crack through the shell. In those cases, it's best to give love up since it's a one-sided affair and all it can do is hurt the other.

I have met a few people, had some dates, developed two relationships from here that were and weren't successful. I believe both I had were beneficial to me but just were not meant to work out. Yes. That hurts to say cause I was with two very incredible women. For their own reasons, the relationships didn't work. But I have no regrets about them. Why should I? Had I not come to this site I never would have had them. So, yes, I do feel that my Mingle time has been well worth it.

My parents were 20 years apart and the happiest couple until my fathers last breath. They did deal with a lot of "opinions" from others, however, they loved each other and nothing else mattered. Age is no obstacle in my opinion. I seen the best examples up front and personal. If your heart is in the right place..nothing else matters.

Well if I wasnt looking to get some. I wouldnt be looking. I perfer younger women. But i'm going to get in where I fit in.

cor-rect
and I do not
that I seldom date much younger has more to do with the motives and intentions of younger men not being compatible with my own - it has nothing to do with what society thinks. If I found a younger man who had attitudes and intentions similar to my own and he wanted to date me - i might

In my case, he was someone that I met in my everyday life and he pursued me like a man pursues a woman. There was no insincere flattery, no sleazy chat up lines, no idolisation... Just a guy expressing an interest in a girl BUT he was 10 years younger.

neither

it's about compatability

most "cougars" or whatever who I know do nor pounce. younger men genrally seek them and the age difference can vary. I prefer not to be referred to as a cougar. I think a man who is a gentleman at any age will do the pursuing - at least it is my preference so I do NOT pounce - until the pouncability has been made known

what makes a man a tramp? frankly I don;t want the wick that's been dipped in every bucket

just sayin'

Do you really think you wouldn't know? And would you really resort to violence if you didn't find out until later?