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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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while I can appreciate the statement, I think there is a lot to be learned by sitting "around campfires" and having good conversations about the various ways people think,
and smores let's make smores and have groundless stoner conversations the only "groundless" opinions are those that flout or deny natural law and proven science just because someone is full of shite doesn't mean they are groundless  does this mean that I am full of shite because I like to sit around the campfire and have discussions?
haha no silly you just made me want to make smores the rest applies to other groundless opinions 
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the last time I visited with a tribal medicine person was about 20 years ago...I cannot find or remember what he wrote out for me... If you are still taking birthday information~ 2/17 Thank you so much for your kindness~ ~Deb Hi Deb. Well by no means is this a actual individual reading. As you probably know there is alot more in a reading then just a few paragraphs, yet what I offer you is a basic idea or glimpse of what your symbol represents under the Native Americans. One has to also remember that each native tribe had different idealogies also. The one I show you is random notes I took while with the Miccussokee chieftain, which is my friend now. So here is a glimpse of it ... The Otter Clan - butterfly Spirit Keeper - Spirit Keeper of the North Moon - Rest and cleansing Moon Crystal or mineral - Silver Tree or plant - Aspen Color - silver The charming and friendly otter is the most playful of animals in the wild. Both river and sea otters are happy when entertaining others. Otters are members of the weasel family who depend on the waters of large lakes, rivers, and the sea. Sea otters almost became extinct when people killed them for fur. All otters have large appetites. The highly intelligent otter is one of the few animlas that can utilize tools, for instance, using rocks to open shells. Otters have a wide vocal range consisting of chirps, squeals, screeches, hiccups, chuckles, and hisses, and their calls can carry for a mile. when not eating, hunting, playing, or sunning themselves, otters sleep. If you were born under the sing of the otter, you are one of the most interesting and attractive people. You can be shy, sensitive,gentle, and patient, or enthusiasitic and lively with a tendency to be an exhibitionist. Both types are very strong willed and forceful in their own way. You can be very opinionated with strong convictions, and you will fight for what you believe in, arguing vehemently for what you believe to be true. People born under the sign of the otter are farsighted and innovative. They are generally without prejudice and quite tolerant of the points of view of others. These individauls can see valid argument even when they disagree with it, and being objective, they never get waylaid by being too close to an issue or a person. Those born under the sign of the otter are humane. Known to be frank and outspoken, they are serious and genial companions. In short, these people are refined, idealistic, and romantic, but also practical. Personable and likable, they are quick in mind and quick to respond. They rarely wear their hearts on their sleeves, but once committed, those born under the sign of the otter are committed for life. Thank you so much! It is interesting that I have planted several butterfly bushes in the past year and gained many butterflies since then... I also live in the North on a very spiritual Lake Superior, which was once viewed as Enchanted Waters by the Chippewa that resided here at one time... the Aspen is one of my very favorite trees, and my son and I worked for two years to save the Aspen in the yard from a disease that was killing them... I always gain perspective when I read about different aspects of my life such as this... Thank you! it made my heart smile!! |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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while I can appreciate the statement, I think there is a lot to be learned by sitting "around campfires" and having good conversations about the various ways people think,
and smores let's make smores and have groundless stoner conversations the only "groundless" opinions are those that flout or deny natural law and proven science just because someone is full of shite doesn't mean they are groundless does this mean that I am full of shite because I like to sit around the campfire and have discussions?
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Topic:
'Groundless' Thoughts?
Edited by
lighthouselover
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Sun 07/19/09 01:04 PM
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Philosphy... From what I have read and heard is still where it was at the time of aristotle. The ideas are bandied about in grand circular logic but nothing has changed in a thousand years. We still quote the same small set of people(all of which are dead now). We still ask the same questions that were asked around campfires by cave men. AND WE STILL HAVE NO ANSWERS. Might as well be in a bar, sittin back and sippin a beer and just listenin to the foolish conversation. while I can appreciate the statement, I think there is a lot to be learned by sitting "around campfires" and having good conversations about the various ways people think, how they arrive at their reality, what they think about their intuition, their beliefs, hopes, dreams...ideas. And I do think there has been many things that have changed...many many many things.. To sit with others listening to the stillness, and then discussing what they listened too...to let a person speak, to have the chance to sit with others and be understood because they are LISTENING to your words... That, to me, is NOT foolish conversation. It helps me understand the human condition. Perhaps there is a group of the "new" philosophers of today are more focused on the universal concepts of oneness or the spiritual side of life... There may be other groups that "seeing" something that has been repeated over time, yet, they pause and listen... I very much enjoy the "sociological" philosophy, or the "ethical" discussion of the human condition. I have a degree, albeit just a Bachelors, in the Arts(Sociology)and one in Science (Nursing), and they have very much complimented each other in my life... I really think that even today, there are many "hard" science ideas born out of the thought process...the theory...the conversations... Just my thoughts on that!! Peace and Light~ |
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Wow...I wonder who the lawyer was that took this case... I find it difficult to believe that this could even be filed!! |
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the last time I visited with a tribal medicine person was about 20 years ago...I cannot find or remember what he wrote out for me... If you are still taking birthday information~ 2/17 Thank you so much for your kindness~ ~Deb |
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Plant more TREES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has come past that point to plant,that sould have started 20 years ago. Plant life takes longer to grow 
There are two best times to plant a tree... One of them is 20 years ago... One of them is today!!! It is not too late to plant trees! Ask the question~ What can I do today to conserve energy and cut pollution? One easy thing~ change all your light bulbs to the new florescent ones!! |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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Thank you Jeannie and James for your patience. 
You're quite welcome. I would be interesting in hearing how you think of memory. Can you describe it in words or is it a deeply intuitive notion that's hard to put into words? I have to go back and really read and "listen" to what was written in a few of the earlier posts about this. I am going to look for a link I had on my PC at one time that spoke about our memory. From what I recall, it talked of memory starting in the "gut", then the heart, and last of all, the brain. The article spoke of the sheer number of "emeory receptors" in the area of the gut being the greatest number in the body. When a person "feels" a gut instinct, they may not be able to "know" exactly what made them feel like something was wrong/bad/scary/etc or something was right/good/pleasant. It took the mind some time to bring all the pieces together to get that.."Oh yea...now I remember"... I know that a pavlovian type of response was discussed as well. when I worked with people with Alzhiemers, and other diseases that took part of their cognitive abilities, there were certain times in their life that they seemed to be able to recolect perfectly...while they did not know the name of their children or spouse. I personally had a very serious illness and was in a coma state for a number of days with some swelling of the meninges of the brain, which initially made it very difficult for me to recall all the pieces of a situation to have it make sense. Most of the function has returned, however, I still have difficulty at times with certain things and certain times in my life. I hope I can find the source of my rant...it was very interesting to me. I thought of people with schizophrenia that I had worked with over the years...and it was like their story was based in some recall of things that had gotten all mixed in the brain at some point, but if I worked with them long enough, it seemed that you could find a "real" cause to their delusions...it was very interesting. (see, that was the second time I said that...) It is also interesting that some of the people/survivors of horrific abuse have "blocked" much of the memory out of their mind/life...yet, have a very strong startle response... ok...so I need to go back and read what people have written about this now... Thanks!! |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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"What are they, and who has them?" I wonder if thought can exist without origin...and the very origin would be a "ground" for that thought...so, based on my opinion, there are no groundless thoughts... I think that the original thought about this was asking more about the "factual" basis, or "evidence based" discussion of thought... Do we or must we have "evidence" for our thoughts? No, not always...we may not have a full realization of the origin of our thoughts or the full dynamic process of how we arrived at a thought.. My thinking>> thought is based on perception, perception is based on experience, experience is based on the environment, environment is based on experience, experience is based on perception, perception is based on thought... there is the POSSIBILITY of a combination of thought, perception, experience, environment...or a combination of two, or three... I know that there are things that are done without thought...like breathing, your heart beating, blinking...YET, even then our "brain" is "thinking" about them, or not... is this thought? and if so, would they be "groundless" thoughts? [so, IMO, there are no thoughts that are groundless...only things that I am not able to yet understand... "first seek to understand, and then be understood" I am quoting my own post from PAGE 1... it seems to fit on page 8 as well...but I am very tired tonight so maybe I am wrong... |
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Goodbye
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I just turned on the TV and saw this news.. I always loved to watch him! He was one of the last of the true "reporters"... May Peace be with his family and friends! |
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Thank God for DNA tests. I have had 2 women try to pin someone else's kid on me. No..No...No...I'll pay the $400 for a DNA test. Cheap compared to child support. and condoms are much less than that even!!! 
I never said I wasn't wearing one. That's why I paid for the DNA test..I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid. "Don't worry, I'm on the 'pill' ." sure you are.jmo I doubt that you are dumb either!! I think you are wise in doing what you did... and I think that the advocacy groups in some states are working on getting some laws about the "assumption" that the mother of a child is automatically telling the truth about who the father is... that is a good thing I think, and the sooner after the baby is born, the better!! |
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I have a bunch of plants...I was lucky as I was at the greenhouse the other day when a rep was there and credited a bunch of plants back. I asked the owner if I could have the ones she was going to throw out...and she said Yes!!! most are in good enough shape that by working with them the last couple of days, they have signs of making a strong comeback!! a few others, really are great!! so now, I want to start designing a couple of garden areas... Does anyone know of any place that has some good ideas for flower garden design? |
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Edited by
lighthouselover
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Thu 07/16/09 06:49 PM
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Let's support YellowRose the same as she supports us. She lifts us up, and makes the world a better place for you and me. Just like MJ
She is doing great!! I forgot to mention that another thing I did that was very helpful was to get rid of the smoke smell..on coats, on my suits, in my car, etc... I even painted a room that I used to smoke in... And it kept me pretty busy getting all this stuff done too!! |
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Thank God for DNA tests. I have had 2 women try to pin someone else's kid on me. No..No...No...I'll pay the $400 for a DNA test. Cheap compared to child support. and condoms are much less than that even!!!
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Am I wrong?
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I heard this once... Never make some one a priority who only makes you an option. |
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The Right to Bear Arms~
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime. I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. It seems to me that if 10% of the people on board those planes were carrying guns, they would have gone down anyway killing all. I don't think planes are built to withstand a fire fight in the air are they? Just curious. I think the owners of the bars should be allowed to decide whether their willing to take the risks. The owners do have the choice to allow or not allow the guns in their bar/restaurant. I am not sure if the person carrying has to declare their weapon by law or not... Planes probably cannot take multiple bullet holes for long as the pressure in the cabin would change...however, the people in the buildings may not have been killed... i can honestly see both sides of the people who carry guns and those who think this will add more trouble... The whole thing though, does come down to the constitutional right... |
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not at all. enjoy your posts. Thank you for that info. what helped you get through it the most? I did not focus on NOT smoking at all...I focused on doing something else...I let myself think about smoking, yet I would then refocus to something else. For me, if I tell myself that I cannot have something, that I cannot do something...then I tend to ruminate about it and end up thinking about it all the time. I had "quit" several times over the years, but was not really committed to it. I think that is the biggest thing for me, I was committed to it this time. I did not want my house to smell, my clothes to smell...I was sick of my car smelling like a "dead" cig... I was also sick of spending the money on them..and I honestly could not afford it anymore...I also am hoping to be a grandmother sometime soon and I really do NOT want to smell like smoke around that precious child!!! I just kept telling myself all the positive things about me not smoking. I believe that it is a very personal thing...what motivates one person means nothing to another person.. I also told my friends not to tell me how bad smoking was for me...that just made me think about smoking...I knew it was bad!! I did not need to hear that... I also gave myself praise...I was and am proud of quitting smoking!! I do not preach to other smokers at all...I have not found that it has ever helped... Like I said earlier, I took an extra shower or bath sometimes..I changed my routine a bit...I kept a pack of ciggies in plain sight...I tended not to think about having ciggies then... I did sleep a bit more, and I think that comes from the lack of the stimulant in the brain that nicotine provides. http://health.howstuffworks.com/nicotine4.htm this may be helpful as it explains how nicotine works in the brain...and knowledge can sometimes help someone learn how they can make changes... It is difficult to stop smoking and I think you are doing great!!! I know that I am proud of your decision for sure!!! ~Deb |
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Chantix is a prescription drug that actually works at the nicotine receptor level in the brain. I had several friends that used it and it took away the craving, which it also did for me. I know that there are a lot of people who do not believe in prescription drugs, and that is fine. I had a difficult time trying to quit on my own and because of other reasons, I could not "add" nicotine (which is a drug) in the form of gum or patches...my heart went through the roof!! Nicotine is a stimulant and when you take that away, there can be a "crash" sort of...you may feel that. The withdrawal that you feel is a real physiological response to taking away a drug that has receptors in your brain. The longer and more we smoke, the more dependent these receptors get on the nicotine. They actually "grow" more receptors to accommodate the drug and the system in the brain that is the "reward" or pleasure center says...OH yea baby..give me more!! I need more!!...so, until these receptors get "hacked down" in your brain...you are going to crave the drug... This is very similar to being addicted to other drugs... now, if you have been drinking every day...then your receptors for the alcohol will probably act up a bit as well...these are the "quiet my brain down" receptors...the same receptors that the medication benzodiazapines work on.... the natural stress response in the body also keys some of the coping mechanisms that we have as well...hence, my coping with stress was to light up... The memory of the receptors can be significant...and nicotine crosses the blood/brain barrier very quick and easy... Chantix is a medication that "blocks" the nicotine receptor so your brain does not get the message...I NEED MORE!!! I will look for the links and post them if I can find them... sorry for such a long winded post, but I tend to babble on and on sometimes... 
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I have not read the entire thread...so, I hope that I don't repeat what has been said a hundred times.. this is one of the most difficult things that you will do! I have been free of this habit for the past 5 months now...it was very difficult. I did not use the gum or patches...I did use Chantix once in awhile, although I did not take it all the time... I found that I needed to not sit for very long, and I went to bed earlier than usual. I also took a random shower or bubble bath once in awhile to find relaxation... I found that my triggers were mostly stressed based...and the car! When I used to travel about 600 miles a week for my job, I smoked in the car all the time...now, when I get in the car, I keep a pen or something to hold if I get the urge... I started to change around my regular routines...and I stayed away from places where people were smoking. It is truly one hour at a time sometimes... It is one day at a time for me still... I keep a pack of ciggy butts sitting in the house...if I don't have any here, then I tend to ruminate about not having them. I honestly wanted to quit this time and that was the biggest thing, I think... You are doing something that is difficult. It is not easy to change so many things in life around a habit, but you are doing it!! It does get easier, although that really means **** to you right now!! Good Luck!! I believe that the benefits of not smoking are going to be worth it for me!! |
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Topic:
The Right to Bear Arms~
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Guns and bars don't mix. In the frontier days when many men and some women carried guns just as a matter of course and necessity, guns were ofter barred in bars. Nowadays, the need for honest citizens to carry protection goes up but the laws and rules get ever more complicated. In many ways, "self defense" is a crime. I wonder what would have happened on 9/11 if ten percent of the men in the plane were carrying concealed firearms? I bet the attackers would not have tried in the first place. Few crimes are committed by concealed permit holders. I agree. That is why I wonder what this law is for really... I am not sure of the "agenda" behind this law, but I pretty much believe there is one... I think it would be interesting to hear what the law abiding citizens who have the concealed weapons permits think of the law... I am just guessing here but the law may just be a way to protect someone who happens to be in the bar but is not drinking and is carrying an otherwise legal weapon. Let's say you work in an office building and carry. You stop at the bar on the walk to the subway to let your friends know you are off work and a cop notices you have a gun. Without a car, you had no place to leave it and you are just stuck. "Having a weapon should not be a crime unless you are using it to commit a crime." This is a common interpretation of the "right to bear arms" argument. Thank you. I believe that as well. The state I live in (MI) has a concealed weapons law. I am not familiar with it as I do not have any guns that would be concealed. I have lots to learn about here... |
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