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Schools of Philosophy
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Finally it comes down to the serenity poem.
May I find the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference. Well, unfortunately I've recognized that changing the world is not something I can do. So I already possess the wisdom to know what I can't do. However, I also cannot accept things as they are. I have the wisdom to recognize that I know that I can't accept things the way they are. So I'm in a very bad way here. laugh Serenity's up the creek without a paddle or a boat. Well, not really true. I have come to grips with the fact that the world sucks and there's nothing I can do about it. I have not accepted the idea that I cannot change the world. I continue to see possibility in everything yet to come. I also have the idea that I must take 'cause' in that possibility for it to come... It is a concept/idea/belief in which I will not know the result...as the "credit" for the change will not be able to be determined... I love the Serenity Prayer/Poem. I am reminded of it daily. I also try to remember the words... Every single choice I make, and every single action I take..matters. and therefore; Every single choice I do not make, and every single action I do not take...matters equally. The "ideal"? is that what the masses want? Who will set the ideal if not the individual... then the ideal is "labeled and defined" which would then move the entire process into the realism school of thought? I may be confused... |
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I like the idea of idealistic realism myself. A Real world in which we try to shape it into an ideal world hehe. I have described myself with those words for years... It brings to my mind, several statements, as well as several questions... For this to work in society, a large measure of acceptance must be embraced, in fact, I would say 100% acceptance of what the 'ideal' is would have to be accepted by everyone. The "optimal" or "ideal" for one person, may be 'perceived' much differently by another person. therefore, on the basis of ideal realism or real idealism (are they the same?) conflict would exist with these as well... If everyone comes to an agreement, or 'melding' of thought, then, all philosophy would vanish? |
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Schools of Philosophy
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I figured since we have this nifty forum for philosophy and science we might as well discuss some actual philosophy, as in the formal sense, vs the colloquial sense. Classification and how we go about it is at the heart of many schools of philosophy. How we classify things is paramount to Epistemology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology I wanted to start with Idealism Vs Realism. As this seems to be a popular concept here on these forums. Idealism Idealism is the philosophical theory that maintains that the ultimate nature of reality is based on mind or ideas. It holds that the so-called external or "real world" is inseparable from mind, consciousness, or perception.
Realism Contemporary philosophical realism is the belief in a reality that is completely ontologically independent of our conceptual schemes, linguistic practices, beliefs, etc. Philosophers who profess realism also typically believe that truth consists in a belief's correspondence to reality. We may speak of realism with respect to other minds, the past, the future, universals, mathematical entities (such as natural numbers), moral categories, the material world, or even thought.
Realists tend to believe that whatever we believe now is only an approximation of reality and that every new observation brings us closer to understanding reality.[1] Realism is contrasted with anti-realism. I would enjoy hearing arguments for or against realism, or idealism. I see merit in both aspects. At times, I seem to be more of a Idealist thinker, mostly because I do believe that perception is so vital to one's experience, and I believe that most perception is done on a conscious level. I also have a strong belief of Behaviorism, which as you have stated is grouped in Realism, so that would support a belief of mine in Realism. I also believe that much of Realism is socially constructed before the individual person has the chance to form a perception. My perception is that both exist, I appreciate them both, and I would state that based on my statement, I am not a purist. I also find the last statement interesting... "Realism is contrasted with anti-realism" an either/or choice? I am not convinced that Idealism and Realism cannot co-exist in a persons thought process... |
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I was hoping that you would again be doing this. I looked through the other ones that you have done and did not see my birthday on there. Would you have time to do one more? I think I may be on a cusp, someone once told me that... 2/17 I have a set of Medicine Woman cards that honor Mother Earth. I was given them years ago, and just recently remembered that I had them. The Major Arcana cards relate to the Spiritual influence in life, and the Minor Arcana suits are arrows, pipes, bowls, and stones. I will watch over the next couple of days for my reading. Thank you for bringing light onto a new perspective! ~Deb |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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Every time I post something about a poster, and not his/her post its on purpose, Its choice to piss someone off. I doubt anyone else is different, consciously, or subconsciously. So from my perspective I am just going to announce that to the mods, its up to them what gets deleted and what who gets suspended/ banned. I am going to let this one play out . . . maybe you guys will get it out of your systems . . . guess your edit would wipe out my previous response... 
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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Every time I post something about a poster, and not his/her post its on purpose, Its choice to piss someone off. I doubt anyone else is different, consciously, or subconsciously. So from my perspective I am just going to announce that to the mods, its up to them what gets deleted and what who gets suspended/ banned. 
wow..I really try with every part of me NOT to post something on purpose to piss someone off...so, everytime I post something about a poster, it is NOT to piss anyone off. So, then to be clear, IF you cannot post anything about the poster, that would include anything positive as well... or can it be both ways? This is not meant to piss anyone off, so it is their responsibility if they are. I am just saying that the subjects which are discussed that are of someone's thought, DO concern the person. It is their PERSONAL belief or thought that is being discussed here... Many times I have read the words/similar words..."Please quote me on that..." The THOUGHT PROCESS is being discussed here, and that is part of the person. The topic is the thought... I do hope that this thread is left standing so I can again go back and read the parts that I want to learn from... |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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Lighthouse, Thats awesome! thank you! His work titled, "The Undiscovered Self" has an interesting synopsis.. "In this challenging and provocative work, Dr. Carl Jung-one of history's greatest minds-argues that civilization's future depends on our ability as individuals to resist the collective forces of society. Only by understanding one's unconscious inner nature-"the undiscovered self "-can we gain essential self-knowledge and begin to cope with and resist the dangers posed by those in power. " To be a rebel? Deviance? Is it in our "BEST" interest then to not conform? and if so, then how would society work? is it possible to live in society without a "collective" force of some kind? if everyone resisted the collective forces of society, then would that be the collective force? |
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http://browse.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=Carl+Jung&bnrefer=GENERALDISCUSSION2 He has written quite a few books over his years...and contributed to many many more... |
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Did Carl Jung write any books? In addition to producing his theory of the Collective Unconscious, Jung's work fueled the development of both word association tests and the Meyers-Briggs personality tests. A prolific writer, his best known works include The Psychology of the Unconscious (1912) and Psychological Types (1921). http://www.nndb.com/people/910/000031817/ |
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isn't chlorine a spermicide? if it burns your eyes surely it'll kill those little wigglers I would think that IF was even a remote possibility, which I doubt it is, that it would have happened hundreds of times over the years... and just think of the number of pools and hot tubs in the hotels around the world... 
I like the pirate look Robin!! Nice...looks like you had fun! |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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I was, and still am, gathering information regarding an idea of Carl Jung.
Well well. That's the first I ever heard of that. You might have mentioned that in the beginning and we might have had an interesting conversation about Carl Jung. (Who ever that is) Is he a philosopher? If I had known this is what you were doing I could have done a little research on Carl Jung and his philosophy and been a tad bit more informed about what you were doing. You see, I was correct in assuming that you were leaving something out. I feel much better now, but that was a very hard tooth to extract. Whew! I'm exhausted. I have a book or two about him... I read about him and studied him when I was working in psychiatry. He was known as the "Father of Analytical Psychiatry", no? hmmmmm, is psychiatry the same as philosphy? besides archetypes kinda scare me. they always seems to be bad news Not that I am aware of, however, I am not always aware of what has transpired... :offtopic I hope you trip went well! |
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Need some quick advice
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You all make good points and i am trying to just be her friend, but, when she sends me pictures of her girls and have them talk to me on the phone where they tell me they miss me and love me and blow kisses through the phone to me, it's just not easy to break away fast. I know in some ways she is using her kids to keep me as a backup plan. I really think she is scared of being treated good because she has been abused most of her life. She told me she had this wall up that could never come down, then when i let her go, the wall drops for this guy like it was never there. She told me over and over again that he is a nice guy, but, i think deep down inside her, she knew what he's all about.
sometimes you just have to walk away, and know that you cannot do anymore. She is, IMO, one of the most manipulative kind of people...those thart USE their children to get at someone's heart strings. To use her children, to put them on the phone...to allow that to go on... BOTH of you are using these children, IMO... Is this the kind of person that you even want as a friend? this is the dealio here... YOU have a choice... Yes, you stay with her as in a committed relationship No, you do not have anything to do with her or her children Those are the two choices here, IMO. You just need to make one and stick to it... And BTW...IF you are still considering her...then why are YOU talking to other women??? come on... |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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I was, and still am, gathering information regarding an idea of Carl Jung.
Well well. That's the first I ever heard of that. You might have mentioned that in the beginning and we might have had an interesting conversation about Carl Jung. (Who ever that is) Is he a philosopher? If I had known this is what you were doing I could have done a little research on Carl Jung and his philosophy and been a tad bit more informed about what you were doing. You see, I was correct in assuming that you were leaving something out. I feel much better now, but that was a very hard tooth to extract. Whew! I'm exhausted. I have a book or two about him... I read about him and studied him when I was working in psychiatry. He was known as the "Father of Analytical Psychiatry", no? |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
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Example:
What does this mean to you? I like her cooking. It could mean that you have tasted her cooking and you liked it. It could mean that you prefer her cooking, rather than doing something else. It could mean that you prefer her cooking rather than you cooking. It could mean that you find her desirable when she is cooking. Or maybe that he likes the smell of her when he has chopped her up and stuck her in the oven.. very true. So that is 5 different meanings on a very small statement... which one is the "right" one? |
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Need some quick advice
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I agree that it isn't fair to the kids to keep this farce going. They will get more and more attached to you, and then what happens when the new "daddy" decides he doesn't want you in their life? Their hearts get broken yet again. It may be time now to wean away from them. You can't save everyone, unfortunately. and you sure as hell cannot save someone who so obviously does not want to be saved!! The abuse, the craziness...she has lived in it so long, sadly, she does not know what it is like without it...it doesn't feel "normal"... |
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Example:
What does this mean to you? I like her cooking. It could mean that you have tasted her cooking and you liked it. It could mean that you prefer her cooking, rather than doing something else. It could mean that you prefer her cooking rather than you cooking. It could mean that you find her desirable when she is cooking. |
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Need some quick advice
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I'm just not going to let anyone hurt those two little girls and they may be the only reason i'm sticking around. I mean i'm in deep with them. I still come around and spend time with the kids, i pick them up and take them places, it's not that i can just run.
really, as much as it is going to hurt YOU...I do not think it is healthy to keep a relationship with her children like that... As messed up as she seems to be from what you have said...I would not be one bit surprised if she accuses you of doing something with her girls or what ever... They are not your children and you have no legal right to take them anywhere...if anything happens to them while they are in your care... I can just imagine that they have latched onto each and every man that their mother has paraded through the house... and Yes, I do agree that she USES the children to get guys to attach to them... JMO...I could be wrong... |
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Need some quick advice
Edited by
lighthouselover
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Sun 07/19/09 05:35 PM
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Sounds like she doesn't know what she wants.. and where is the childrens father? I would say "RUN" as fast as you can.. She will bring you down with her... The kids are 4 and 5 and have two diffrent fathers. The 5 year olds dad has vanished and the 4 year olds is a story full of more drama. First it was a guy that is in prison and now i've come to find out that the kid belongs to another guy that she is not sure of because she was gang raped. She could belong to any of those losers that did it to her. And that's just sad because this 4 year old girl is just an awesome, beautiful little girl who deserves way better. First, you are making excuses for her at every turn here...sorry for being blunt about it, but you are. Did you read what you just wrote here? This female has told you so many different things, on so many different occasions...how do you keep them straight? Yes, it is sad that all children are not growing up in loving, caring environments that allow them to have a childhood and security. I love love love children...and one day when YOU have YOUR own, you will love them as well, from what you have said about children. Really, do you want to be in the middle of this woman's web that she is weaving? It sounds to me like you are trying to be a hero here...and you are in this for YOU. YOU want to be the knight in shining armour that will save this woman and her children... I agree with a previous poster that said this woman has serious mental health issues. I can think of about 4 diagnosis right now for her from what you have said. YOUR life with this person will most likely be living hell...everyday. She will most likely cheat on you...I would not be surprised if she threatened to kill herself... From what you have said, she is not capable of being in a relationship with one person... Good Luck... |
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'Groundless' Thoughts?
Edited by
lighthouselover
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Sun 07/19/09 06:00 PM
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When someone shows you who they are consistently over time, believe them. |
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Need some quick advice
Edited by
lighthouselover
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Sun 07/19/09 04:33 PM
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I was with a girl for 3 months, at the end of those 3 months she saw an ex of hers that used to rape and abuse her. She then got drunk that night and revealed to me through text message her whole life of abuse starting at age five, which i never knew of the 3 months i was with her. She said that she wanted to still be with me, but could'nt commit. So i decided to give her some space and just be friends until she was able to bring that wall down that she said would take awhile. I made my peace with the fact that we were not going to be together at all in the future, so i started talking to other women. That made her jealous, and she started talking to a guy that was her friend for many years. She told him about us and how i had moved on and how much it hurt her. He then jumped in at the right moment and started telling her that he has always loved her and her kids. He then asked her for a commitment and she said yes, only because she thought i had moved on. She called me and told me this like i was supposed to be happy or something. I told her how i really felt and that i never wanted to break up, but had to because i was trying to give her what she wanted. Well, she just could'nt leave this guy for some strange reason even after knowing how i truly felt. She said that they already made plans for her and her kids to move in with him and he is being shipped off to Iraq in a few weeks. So again i make my peace and start talking to other women. Now she's calling me telling me things are not going so well with him. She told me that he seems controlling and he is the jealous type and after sex he does'nt say anything to her he just turns his back to her and goes to sleep. She tells me that she feels used. She sent me pictures today of her kids, which is cool because i do remain in their lives because of the daddy like bond i have with them. When i call her she starts talking about more things not going right. Keep in mind that this guy, when he came in, started buying things for her and her mom and her kids. Now what should i do? I think she regrets losing me and wants to get back with me, just does'nt know how to say it. All she does is tell me the problems she has with him. I do love her and her two little girls, but, i have also moved on and started talking to other women. Should i move on and just remain a friend to her and a daddy figure to her kids? Or should i get back with her and be her lover and the live in daddy to her girls? Also, does this guy sound like he has diffrent motives for her and the kids than what he's saying? From what she's telling me he seems like he might be one of those nice at first then abusive later type guys and if that's the case, i feel the need to protect her and her kids from this guy. I would love some advice if you got it. There...now breath! I have to go back and read it in a form that I can make sense of... |
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