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Sun 09/21/08 11:29 AM
you are making my point.


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Sun 09/21/08 11:26 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 11:26 AM
see, folks?

democrats truly are stuck on a broken escalator.


nothing new here.


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Sun 09/21/08 11:25 AM




Oh, my goodness.............very typical I must say...........lmao!!

:laughing: :laughing:

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:

some on here appear to have learned well at the screens of the media...

If someone makes a point you don't like...

Redirect to Party Line with most high emotional index content so issue becomes clouded.

Nothing will ever change unless change is brought by all.

Clinton signed Phil Gramm's bill, so does that cleanse the Republican march for more and more deregulation since Reagan?



are you daft?

everything done since REAGAN was CLINTON!!!!!!


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Sun 09/21/08 11:24 AM
the majority of voting Americans are just exemplified by learner's comments.


learner?

that's oxymoronic.

nothing personal, but what you have to say reflects how a majority of Americans conduct themselves in the voting booth.

No wonder half of the country doesn't vote anymore.

Half of this country has a conscience that will not allow complicity with the loudest and most virilent among us that hijack the country's policymaking responsibilities.

Civil war is inevitable.

sooner or later the socialists will commit high treason from at least two branches of the federal government and justify removing them forcefully for the good of the nation.


continuing on like this country is only hastens the day when the silent majority steps up to the plate in whole conscience with the resolve to spank the wicked among us in clear conscience before God and man.



think

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Sun 09/21/08 11:13 AM



Elect Barack Obama and sweep as many Republicans out of congress as possible. Can anyone on these boards contend the 8 years under George W. Bush have been in any substantive way better then 8 years under Bill Clinton?

This was already done.

Democrats hold the majority in all of Congress and control both houses.

how can it be that republicans are to blame?

as i have said, democrats are inept .

Democrats cannot see that they themselves are the problem.

proof is in how you describe the problem as being republicans in a democratically contraolled Congress doing nothing.

And the approval rating of democrats of democrats shows clearly that democrats don't like their leaders.

Always trasferring and projecting their self hatred on ghosts of their own imagination.

No other rebuttal is necessary.

This ppost I am responding to is the first best response of democrats.

The ones with a conscience cannot even post an apology or a remorseful repentence.

think

You simply can't make the case that this failed administration is in any way better than Clinton's, so you write a bunch of fragmented nonsense.




gibberish.

this whole melt down was caused by Clinton.

The law to stopgap the potential nightmare to follow was signed into law by Clinton.

It is Clinton's legacy, not Bush's.

Bush is dealing with it.

The war in iraq and Afghanistan is just a necessary part of stopping mercenary terrorism and since the war on terror has started, we haven't had a repeat of the events of 9/11.

Like it or not, bush is dealing with things well.

I refuse to accept your deflections as remotely reasonable.

i will cite them as proof of the ongoing delusions of the looney left's socialist agenda which is incapable of getting approval of the American people.

proof again, that the democrats put all of their weight to bear to support the delusional incompetence of their world view in Nobama, a member of this present Congress with a "deer in the headlights" atrophy.


Last ditch efforts like his lead only to more of the same divisiveness in this country that enobles enemies of America to dare to attack it, even idf they attempt to do so from within.

Nope, you have established no credible explanation for Congress' incompetence, or that od democrats like Clinton.

The record shows the truth of it.

think


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Sun 09/21/08 11:01 AM





yup. you got the one liners, alright


"repeat things over and over and sooner or later someone will believe it." Adolph Hitler. National Socialist and America Hater extraordinaire

Hitler sure inspires you libtards, huh?

talk about parrots.

SQUAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Your REPUBLI-CON pres proposes the the biggest socialist bailout in history..Must be Hitlers little SHRUB>>>>bigsmile


Bail out would not be happening if it were not for the party of 1999...

"Let me welcome you all here today for the signing of this historic legislation. With this bill, the American financial system takes a major step forward towards the 21st century, one that will benefit American consumers, business, and the national economy for many years to come." -- Larry Summers, Then-Clinton Treasury Secretary And Current Obama Adviser, On Gramm-Leach-Bliley (1999)

You failed to mention the "Gramm," the architect of the bill is Phil Gramm, John McCain's chief economic advisor.


I mentioned him in a different post. Architect yes... but how much was tacked on after creation and before Presidential approval.


Even so, Clinton signed it.

he was no doubt relieved to have a check and balance for his stupidity which would have to be handled by the next president.

Surely, he hoped for Gore and then Kerry and now Obama to keep his name from being drug through the mud.

This is the same presiden that didn't have sexual relations with that woman

Clinton clearly can't admit his own wrongdoings.


think

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Sun 09/21/08 10:55 AM

Elect Barack Obama and sweep as many Republicans out of congress as possible. Can anyone on these boards contend the 8 years under George W. Bush have been in any substantive way better then 8 years under Bill Clinton?



This was already done.

Democrats hold the majority in all of Congress and control both houses.

how can it be that republicans are to blame?

as i have said, democrats are inept .

Democrats cannot see that they themselves are the problem.

proof is in how you describe the problem as being republicans in a democratically contraolled Congress doing nothing.

And the approval rating of democrats of democrats shows clearly that democrats don't like their leaders.

Always trasferring and projecting their self hatred on ghosts of their own imagination.


No other rebuttal is necessary.

This ppost I am responding to is the first best response of democrats.

The ones with a conscience cannot even post an apology or a remorseful repentence.


think

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Sun 09/21/08 10:46 AM

The Globalists are killing the country. They've written about doing these kinds of things often and here we are.

I love how some many have supported our policing of the world, to the detriment of our own country, now that "we" have allowed those who seek to do us real harm to use our military to shore up their interests, they've got no use for us.
They already sent the jobs away, the only area in government that seems to grow daily is the "homeland security" aspect.

Only a matter of time now, I hope everyone likes a policestate.



those who seek to do us harm have our permission.

we as a nation install these leaders to do the harm to ourselves.

sounds like BDSM to me.

depravity abounds.

this nation has a disease.


think

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Sun 09/21/08 10:43 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 10:48 AM

This gives me pause. The 700 bil bail-out will not be subject to review?!? We are suppose to hand complete control of this situation to Henry Paulson? I don't care what party you belong to...does this seem like a good call?

Treasury Seeks Asset-Buying Power Unchecked by Courts (Update2)

By Alison Fitzgerald and John Brinsley

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The Bush administration sought unchecked power from Congress to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets.

Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world's largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority.

``He's asking for a huge amount of power,'' said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University. ``He's saying, `Trust me, I'm going to do it right if you give me absolute control.' This is not a monarchy.''

Full text avaliable at: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=ae6b6P1L8E_E&refer=home



I have highlighted the point.

Congress must ratify this bill and send it, with all its revisions, pork, and earmarks back to the president for signature in approval or veto.

Period.

Congress has proved over the last two years that they get nothing accomplished except infighting and inaction.

fret not that the democrats are powerless.

you are chasing ghosts with worry over this.

Besides, it is Clinton and the Clinton alone that is responsible for the way Bush is handling this mess. all done prior to 2000 under Clinton's watch. hhmmmm....

After all, he is only following the law that gave the President the power of executive privilege to fix the mess of Clinton's own work in creating the looney tunes lending of the last eight years.

Even Clinton knew that the idiotic practice of lending mortgages for hmes to people incapable of financially meeting such obligations would fail.

He just didn't have the guts to admit it and stop the foolishness.

Instead, he signed into law a bill that gaVE THE NEXT PRESIDENT AUTHORITY TO DO THAT FOR HIM.


This is the same clown that "didn't have sexual relations with that woman.


think

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Sun 09/21/08 10:31 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 10:32 AM
all the more reason to elect a President that isn't a democrat.

The democrats prove daily, and have for the last two years of Congress' watch that democrats are the more inept partisan faction of the American representative governance.


By voting, this nation will demonstrate whether or not the problem is the politicians themselves or the American people as a majority rule mob of emotionally insecure and immature incompetents.


yup.



think

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Sun 09/21/08 10:19 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 10:20 AM
the democrats must walk before they run.


Why are they running for office?

Congress of the last two years has a lower approval rating than Bush's dismal rating.

The democratically led Congress is ineffective, complacent, indecisive, uninspired, amd generally unable to accomplish anything reminiscent of the respect and admiration of the American people and with such a dismally bankrupt single digit approval rating have failed to act to explain or improve that vote of low confidence by the American people.

MOstly democratic voters, by sheer numbers, this embarrassing level of confidence in the democrats by democrats themselves displays the democrats incompetence and lack of purpose and direction and inability to lead the nation.


Issues are not important considering these facts concerning democrats and their leadership abilities, as graded by the majority of democrats themselves.



In conclusion....

it would be the derilection of duty and unpatriotic lapse of judgement of this nation as an entirety to allow the democrats to decide for themselves what is best for this nation.

Obama is a member of that Congress of 2006 and his freshman year of inaugural inclusion i those remarkably low approval ratings is a direct reflection of Obama and his handlers ineptitude and in consequence, a reflection of the incompetence of the Democratic Party itself.

After all, the party is people and people are voters and voters are predominately dissatisfied with themselves.


They need to silenced and the inability to accomplish anything requires that they hold authority and responsibility equal to their abilities.

Let them participate as spectators.

That is the threshold of their collective competence.


Vote for McCain/Palin and for real change

real change will come when this dismally low single digit approval rating of democrats is improved.

Things will get done that are for the good of the country.


think

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Sun 09/21/08 09:53 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 10:02 AM
lets look at what this is all about and the timeline for Monegan's dismissal and Monegan's words and the dates involved in all this brouhaha.

at the end of this article, it is clear by the dates and quotes of those involved that the present investigation is more a witch hunt and a distraction aimed at discrediting Palin than investigating wrongdoing.

Palin encouraged the investigation.


but, just for grins, here's the story.




Allegations against State Trooper Mike Wooten
On April 11, 2005, before Palin became governor, her sister Molly McCann filed for divorce against her then-husband, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten. The same day McCann phoned the police to complain that in February 2005 Wooten had threatened to shoot Chuck Heath (father of McCann and Sarah Palin) if he hired an attorney to help in her divorce, had threatened to "take down" Palin if she got involved, and had driven while intoxicated on several occasions.[15][16][17] McCann, Palin and Heath subsequently made several further allegations against Wooten.[15][16][18]


[edit] Contact between Palin and Wooten prior to controversy
On January 1, 2000, Sarah Palin wrote a character reference for Mike Wooten. She described him as "a fine role model for my own children," and said "I beleive [sic] the United States Air Force has been fortunate to have the services of Mike these past 10 years." The recommendation was written when Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, and the letter was on her official letterhead.[19] Molly McCann was dating Mike Wooten at the time.[20] With the aid of this character reference Wooten became an Alaska State Trooper in March 2001.[21]


[edit] Court-imposed Domestic Violence Protection Order
On April 11, 2005, the day Molly McCann filed for divorce, a judge granted a Domestic Violence Protection Order (DVPO) against Wooten. May 9 that year, a court hearing was held regarding the DVPO. At this hearing the DVPO was quashed because McCann's counsel was unable to produce any acts of physical or implied violence.[20][16] On April 11, 2005, Molly McCann told police "he [Wooten] has never physically abused her."[17] On several subsequent occasions Palin, and the McCain presidential campaign, have referred to the DVPO as evidence that Wooten had been violent towards McCann.[18][20][22][23] On February 7, 2007, Palin said the "restraining order … was lifted when [Wooten's] supervisors intervened."[5] On September 2, 2008, Palin said "the Anchorage Superior Court [had found] that [Wooten] had engaged in serious, violent misconduct," and that Wooten was guilty of "violent behavior … directed against … my sister."[23] On September 17, 2008, McCain-Palin spokesperson Meg Stapleton said Wooten "abused her [Palin's] sister."[24]


[edit] Death threat allegation
In May 2005, Palin told police investigators that she had witnessed the death threat against her father (Heath), but had not called the police immediately because she did not want to put Wooten's career in jeopardy and the situation had not yet progressed to physical violence.[15][25] On August 10, 2005, Palin sent an email to Col. Julia Grimes, chief of the Alaska state police, urging that Wooten be dismissed and giving more details about the alleged death threat.[18] The email from Palin to Grimes said that in February 2005 Wooten had threatened to shoot Heath after McCann had accused Wooten of attending an event with another woman:

“ I heard this death threat, my 16-year-old son [Track Palin] heard it, Molly heard it, as did their small children. Wooten spoke with his Trooper gun on his hip in an extremely intimidating fashion, leaving no doubt he is serious about taking someone's life who disagrees with him....Wooten's words were, "I will kill him. He'll eat a [expletive] lead bullet, I'll shoot him," if our father got the attorney to help Molly.[15][18] ”

In a police interview discussing this event,[25] Palin explained that she and Track were not in the same location as Wooten and McCann, but were listening over the telephone. According to Track, they were listening in order to determine whether Wooten was having an extramarital affair.[20] Sarah Palin went on to say that after hearing the threat

“ I jumped in my truck to drive over to M[olly]'s house because I was sure M[ike] was gonna he was, like a ticking time bomb and I thought he was gonna blow and physically harm M[olly] or the kids or my dad. ”

After making observations through a window, Palin asked a neighbor to monitor the situation on her behalf:

“ I had to head on into C[hugiak], I had ah a meeting that I couldn't miss. I told the neighbor … "could you stand by … cause it it's looking dangerous" … after standing there watching M[ike] freaking out for however long probably, 15 minutes umm, I had to leave. I took off. ”

In her email to Grimes, Palin described Wooten as "a loose cannon" and "a ticking timebomb," and said that failing to fire Wooten "would lead a rational person to believe there is a problem inside the organization."[15][18] As a result of the email, Palin was interviewed again by state troopers on August 18, 2005. During this interview, she stated that she did not warn her father Heath of the death threat until two weeks after it was made; she explained the delay by saying that Wooten had no reason to shoot Heath.[26][16] According to Heath himself, the delay was a month: "Heath stated that his daughters didn't report the incident to him until a month later."[20]

In addition to the alleged death threat against Heath, Palin has alleged that Wooten has made other threats against the family which were witnessed by Molly McCann alone. For example, in a legal filing on September 1, 2008,[27] Palin accused Wooten of making a threat to "bring Sarah Palin down." When Palin was asked about this threat in 2005, by Sgt. Ron Wall, a police investigator, Palin explained this threat as follows:

“ … as [Molly] had explained. "I'm gonna take your sister down … I'm gonna ruin your family … I know people in all the right places, in high places. I know judges. I know attorney's. I have relationships with these guys. You guys are all going down."[28] ”

The trooper internal investigation reported that

“ Sarah Palin and Molly McCann both stated that Investigator Wooten made threats that he would "bring down" Sarah and her family. Sarah Palin had no first hand knowledge of the threats. Molly McCann stated that Investigator Wooten made this threat to her several times and that she understood him to mean that he could use his position as a trooper to make life difficult for Sarah.[16] ”

In the Memorandum of Findings,[16] there is no mention of any allegation of any threat, other than what is described above (a death threat against the father, and a threat to "make life difficult for Sarah"). In a legal filing on September 15, 2008, Palin stated she was "concerned about threats of violence directed at her father, sister and nephew by a state trooper."[29] In September 2008, Palin described Wooten as "a trooper who is making threats against the First Family."[30] On September 18 she again mentioned "his threats against the First Family."[31] Palin's recent legal filings[29][27] do not detail any threats that took place after Palin became governor, or at any time since April 11, 2005, when the divorce was filed. Palin's filing on September 1, 2008[27] said "no one in the Palin family ever filed a formal complaint," subsequent to the complaints the family made in 2005.


[edit] Divorce trial
In October 2005, the McCann-Wooten divorce went to trial. During the trial, judge John Suddock expressed puzzlement at the efforts of McCann's family to get Wooten fired, since it would harm his earning capacity and damage his ability to pay child support. Judge Suddock said "It appears for the world that Ms. McCann and her family have decided to take off for the guy's livelihood -- that the bitterness of whatever who did what to whom has overridden good judgment." A representative for the Alaska State Trooper's union testified that the union viewed the dozen complaints filed by McCann and her family against Wooten as "not job-related" and "harassment." Judge Suddock repeatedly warned McCann and her family to stop "disparaging" Wooten's reputation or risk the judge granting Wooten custody of the children.[32][15] At a court hearing in October 2005, Judge Suddock said "disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse … relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives."[32]

In the divorce decree that was granted on January 31, 2006,[33] Judge Suddock expressed concern about continued criticism by McCann's family towards Wooten and noted that he would pay particular attention to problems raised by a custody investigator.[32] Legal disputes between Wooten and McCann over custody, child support and visitation rights continued through 2007 and 2008.[33]


[edit] Results of internal police investigation in 2006

[edit] Death threat
On March 1, 2006, Wooten was notified of the results of an Alaska State Trooper internal investigation. The probe found that Wooten violated internal policy, but not the law, in making a death threat against Heath (the father of Sarah Palin and Molly McCann).[16] Wooten denied having made the threat, but the investigation decided that he had in fact done so.[16] The trooper investigation concluded that the death threat was not a crime because Wooten did not threaten the father directly; therefore, the investigator deemed the threat to be a violation of trooper policy rather than a violation of criminal law.[3] Although the death threat was listed as a violation of trooper policy in the Memorandum of Findings[16] issued on October 29, 2005, it was not mentioned at all in the suspension letter[34] sent to Wooten by Col. Grimes on March 1, 2006.


[edit] Moose hunt
The internal investigation found that Wooten had committed a hunting violation in shooting a moose without a permit: he had been out hunting with McCann in September 2003 and had shot the animal himself even though their permit was in McCann's name only.[16] According to subsequent news reports, McCann had obtained the permit but balked at killing the moose herself, so she handed the gun to her then-husband, who shot the animal.[35]


[edit] Taser incident
Wooten was also found to have violated department policy in using a Taser on his then 11-year old stepson in 2003; he told investigators that he did so "in a training capacity" after the child had asked to be tased in order to show his cousin, Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol, that he "wasn't a mama's boy".[36][16] In a statement to the police, the boy said "that he wanted to be tased to show that he's not a mommy's boy in front of Bristol. Following being tased he went upstairs to tell his mother that he was fine."[20] In a statement to the police, Molly McCann said "she was up stairs giving a bath to the kids … Mike was going to show Payton what it feels like and she told Mike that he better not."[20] According to Molly's account, she remained upstairs during the incident.

Although the Taser incident happened in 2003, it was not reported to police until on or after April 11, 2005, the day that Molly McCann filed for divorce. On June 6, 2005, a police investigator asked Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol why they "waited so long and brought the incident up after two years." Bristol said "because of the divorce."[20]

In a September 2008 newspaper interview, Wooten said that he "deeply regretted" the Taser incident.[37] He said that he set the Taser to "test" mode, meaning that it was on low power. Wooten added that he attached clips to the child's shirt rather than firing darts from a gun, that he turned on the power for less than one second, and that afterwards his stepson "thought it was great and wanted to do it all over again." He stated that "everyone laughed about" the incident at the time.[37] He also said that he "would like to put this behind me and get on with my life," and wished Palin and her family good luck.[37] According to a spokesman for Taser International, "if the Taser is fired for just a second, it would feel like your funny bone was hit."[36]


[edit] Alcohol-related allegations
The investigation initially cleared Wooten on all of the alcohol-related charges,[16] but Grimes overturned that result and found that Wooten did "take [an] open beer with him when he drove away in his trooper vehicle" on one occasion in the summer of 2004, violating both the law and internal trooper policy.[38] Wooten was not on duty; he was wearing "civilian attire." And he "drove approximately one mile to his residence."[20] Because Wooten "was a member of the SERT [SWAT] team … he [was allowed to] use his State vehicle for personal use."[39] The only witnesses to this event were close friends of Sarah Palin's father: "Adrian Lane was a student of Chuck Heath's in Idaho when he was a child and they have been close friends ever since."[16] This is apparently why the original Memo of Findings[16] treated this allegation as "Not Sustained."


[edit] Other charges
Wooten was cleared of numerous other allegations made by McCann and her family, including that he had taken illegal steroid and testosterone supplements, that he had physically assaulted McCann, and that he had illegally shot a wolf.[16]


[edit] Suspension of Wooten in 2006
As a result of these findings, Grimes announced on March 1, 2006 that she would suspend Wooten for ten days. In announcing the suspension, Grimes referred to the Taser, moose and beer incidents, and also to seven other negative actions in Wooten's personnel file, such as failing to use turn signals. She concluded that "[t]he record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession".[15][36][34]

After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days, and Wooten was warned by Grimes that he would be fired if he committed any further misconduct.[36] Union president Rob Cox has denied that Wooten was a "rogue cop" and pointed to his service on an emergency reaction team.[36] Union executive John Cyr said that many of the negative items in Wooten's personnel file were minor,[36] and that the only complaints ever filed against him were those by Palin and her family.[35] In early September 2008, Palin said "there were a lot of concerns from not just my family, but from the public about this trooper's activities."[40] In a September 15, 2008 legal filing, Palin's lawyer wrote that "the Palin family was not the only group of people concerned about Trooper Wooten's behavior."[29]

According to the Memorandum of Findings, more than fifteen witnesses were interviewed.[16] On September 1, 2008, Governor Palin said "that the troopers' investigation into Wooten was negligently or deliberately slipshod. … many witnesses to wrongful or possibly illegal behavior by Wooten were never interviewed … investigators seemed more concerned about exonerating Wooten than protecting public safety or the Palin family."[27]

For the period prior to April 11, 2005, the date when the divorce paperwork was filed and a Domestic Violence Protective Order was issued, Grimes' letter listed three disciplinary actions against Wooten: a Warning, a Reprimand, and an Instruction, for such things as "not using turn signals."[34] On September 15, 2008, a legal filing by Palin's lawyer said that "according to the Grimes report, Trooper Wooten had been disciplined a dozen times before he was the subject of a Domestic Violence Protective Order from Molly McCann."[29]

As of September 2008, Wooten was still a state trooper.[36]


[edit] Contacts between Governor's office and Wooten's supervisors
In December 2006, Palin took office as Governor of Alaska and appointed Walter C. Monegan III to be Public Safety Commissioner, a cabinet position.[15] Monegan is a former police chief of Anchorage and son of Walter C. Monegan, Jr.[41]

In January 2007, the Governor's husband, Todd Palin, invited Monegan into the Governor's office and asked him to look into the Wooten affair. Monegan did so and told Todd Palin that there was nothing he could do as the case was closed.[15] The troopers operate under a union contract that restricts the circumstances under which a trooper can be fired.[42] Monegan told the Anchorage Daily News that Todd Palin had showed him some of the findings of a private detective the family had hired to investigate Wooten, and accused Wooten of a variety of transgressions, including drunken driving and child abuse.[43]

According to Monegan, Governor Palin raised the matter with him personally twice, in January and February[44] and then kept raising the matter indirectly through e-mails, though she did not again bring it up directly.[15] In an email sent to Monegan on February 7, 2007 about a proposed bill to require 99-year sentences for police officers found guilty of murder, Palin gave Wooten as an example of an officer who violated the public trust.[5] The email listed several examples of Wooten's misbehavior.[5] Another Palin email, dated July 17, 2007, concerned a proposed bill to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Palin wrote to Monegan that her first thoughts "went to my ex-brother-in-law, the trooper, who threatened to kill my dad yet was not even reprimanded by his bosses and still to this day carries a gun, of course".[5] A spokesperson for the McCain-Palin campaign says that Palin's contacts with Monegan were only made in order to alert him to potential threats to her family.[15]

Monegan also has said he got telephone calls from three Palin appointees: her then-chief of staff, Mike Tibbles; Commissioner Annette Kreitzer of the Department of Administration; and Attorney General Talis Colberg. Colberg said he called after Todd Palin asked him about "the process" for handling death threats made by state troopers against the first family; Colberg was told by Monegan that the matter had been handled, and Colberg reported back to Todd Palin that nothing more could be done.[15]

In April 2007, Todd Palin told the Anchorage Daily News that he had met once with Wooten's supervisor, Colonel Audie Holloway, to give her pictures of Wooten driving a snowmobile when he was out on a worker's compensation claim.[15] Alaska Deputy Attorney General Michael Barnhill said on August 30 that Diane Kiesel, Alaska state personnel director, also called Holloway about the snowmobile incident, because she believed the troopers should know there might be a violation of law. "People in the administration made contact with the Department of Public Safety to deal with the worker's compensation file," Barnhill said. Barnhill said the attorney general's office did not think the governor's staff should be banned from making calls about Wooten to his superiors.[15]

In mid-August 2008, the Alaska Attorney General's inquiry reported that Palin's staff had made about two dozen contacts with public safety officials about Wooten, with more than half initiated by her then-chief of staff, Mike Tibbles.[3]

One of the identified contacts was on February 29, 2008, when Frank Bailey, the governor's director of boards and commissions, made a phone call to trooper Lt. Rodney Dial, the state troopers' liaison to the Legislature. The Public Safety Department recorded the call, as it does routinely, and the Palin administration released an audiotape of it on August 13.[3][45] In it, Bailey made several accusations against Wooten, including that he lied on his application to become a trooper. He was recorded saying "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, 'why on earth hasn't, why is this guy still representing the department?' "[3] and "I'm telling you honestly, you know, she really likes Walt [Monegan] a lot, but on this issue, she feels like it's, she doesn't know why there is absolutely no action for a year on this issue. It's very, very troubling to her and the family. I could definitely relay that."[3] Bailey said in an interview on August 13 that that no one had asked him to make the call and he didn't know why he indicated in the call that he was speaking on behalf of the Palins.[3] A transcript of the call is available.[46]


[edit] Dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan
On July 11, 2008, Palin's acting chief of staff Mike Nizich dismissed Monegan, offering him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[47]

In a letter to DPS employees announcing his termination, Monegan wrote that he was an at-will employee and knew his dismissal was "a possibility ever present," and that he had been advised that the governor wanted to take DPS in a "different direction."[48] In an interview the next day Monegan said that the dismissal had come "out of the blue" and that "f the governor was upset with me for one thing or another, it had never been communicated to me."[47]

On July 17, Palin said publicly that "We have [to] start recruiting. We have to start doing more than just talking about it. And taking action also." Monegan responded on July 18 that the two most recent trooper graduating classes had the most recruits in years.[49] On July 18, Monegan suggested that his dismissal might have been related to his reluctance to fire Wooten. He said phone calls and questions from the Palin administration and the governor's husband, Todd Palin, about Wooten started shortly after Monegan was hired and continued until May or June 2008.[50] Monegan said that Palin's acting chief of staff, Mike Nizich, told him on July 11 that he was being removed from his position because Palin wanted to take the Department of Public Safety in a different direction.[51]

On July 18, in response to Monegan's comments, Palin released a statement:

“ I do not interfere with the day-to-day operations of any department. Former Commissioner Monegan was not released due to any actions or inaction related to personnel issues in his department. We had hoped the former commissioner would have stayed in state service to help fight alcohol-related crime. We offered him the position of executive director of the Alcoholic Beverage Control board and, unfortunately, he turned it down.[52][49] ”

The statement also denied that the governor had improperly accessed Wooten's employment records, saying that "[t]o allege that I, or any member of my family, requested, received or released confidential personnel information on an Alaska State Trooper, or directed disciplinary action be taken against any employee of the Department of Public Safety, is, quite simply, outrageous. Any information regarding personnel records came from the trooper himself."[52] She also praised Monegan's replacement, saying "Commissioner Kopp shares my vision for filling vacant positions and reducing crime across the state."[52] Palin said " … absolutely no pressure [was] ever put on Commissioner Monegan to hire or fire anybody, at any time … no pressure was ever put on anybody to fire anybody."[49] On July 18, Palin said "we would never prohibit, or be less than enthusiastic about any kind of investigation."[53]

In late July, former U.S. Attorney Wevley Shea, who had acted previously as an informal advisor to Palin, wrote her an unsolicited letter in which he urged her to apologize for "overreaching or preceived overreaching" to get Wooten fired, and warned that the matter could snowball into a bigger scandal. The letter said that she should fire any aides who had raised concerns with Monegan.[54][55]

On August 13, Palin said specifically that her action was unrelated to Wooten. She said that Monegan was dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies and fighting alcohol abuse problems, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[3] Palin acknowledged that "pressure could have been perceived to exist, although I have only now become aware of it."[5] She suspended Frank Bailey, and apologized to Alaskans:

“ Mr. Bailey was aware of my family’s personal concerns about Trooper Wooten. It appears that he, though, tried to apply some pressure on my behalf and this was without ever discussing it with me and I apologize to Alaskans for this distraction.[56][57] ”

On August 28, in an interview with Anchorage Daily News, Monegan said, "For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff. What they said directly was more along the lines of 'This isn't a person that we would want to be representing our state troopers.' "[58] He later added that he had resisted pressure from the Governor and her husband to re-open the case against Wooten.[59]

In an August interview with The New Yorker, Palin blamed Monegan for failing to address alcohol abuse in rural Alaska. According to the New Yorker article, Palin stated that she didn't fire Monegan, but rather "asked him to drop everything else and single-mindedly take on the state’s drinking problem, as the director of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board". Palin characterized the job offered to Monegan as "commensurate in salary pretty much—ten thousand dollars less", but said that Monegan didn't want it, so he quit.[42]

In September, in a televised interview with Charles Gibson of ABC News, Palin reiterated her position that she had dismissed Monegan because of his job performance and that neither she nor her husband pressured him to fire Wooten. Palin said "I never pressured him to hire or fire anybody."[40] In response, Monegan said: "She's not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten. And she's not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me."[59]

Monegan has made a number of other statements alleging that he had been pressured to fire Wooten. "There was pressure for that, yes."[60] "There were numerous contacts by the governor, her husband, by her staff that basically said that Trooper Wooten was not an acceptable example of an Alaska state trooper."[61] "The fact that they tried for better than a year while I was there is kind of indicative that somebody was trying to pressure something."[50]

On September 2, 2008, "a senior strategist in the McCain campaign" said "the man who was fired has said on the record that he was never pressured by the governor or the governor’s husband on the issue of firing Trooper Wooten."[62]

On September 15, 2008, McCain/Palin campaign spokeswoman Meg Stapleton held a news conference at which she accused Monegan of "egregious insubordination," "obstructionist conduct" and a "brazen refusal" to follow proper channels for requesting money. Asked why someone with a history of insubordination would be offered the leadership of the Alaska Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, Stapleton said that without having to deal with a budget, Monegan would be able to focus on alcohol abuse issues. She added that Palin "respects the fact that [Monegan] was respected in the community."[63]







this one is interesting.......


In December 2006, Palin took office as Governor of Alaska and appointed Walter C. Monegan III to be Public Safety Commissioner, a cabinet position.[15] Monegan is a former police chief of Anchorage and son of Walter C. Monegan, Jr.[41]




think


wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 09:39 AM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 09:40 AM

this Marine?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2445513/Royal-Marine-who-jumped-on-grenade-awarded-George-Cross.html



Royal Marine who jumped on grenade awarded George Cross
A Royal Marine is to receive the highest award for gallantry after jumping on a hand grenade to save the lives of three of his comrades.

By Thomas Harding Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 5:19PM BST 23 Jul 2008

Royal Marine Matthew Croucher, from Birmingham, 'fully expected' to lose a limb but was willing to make the sacrifice 'if I could keep my torso and head intact'
L/Cpl Matthew Croucher will become part of a select of group of just 20 living George Cross holders when the Queen awards him the medal, which is given for acts showing the same level of heroism as the Victoria Cross.

The Marine had less than seven seconds to make up his mind on whether to risk sacrificing his own life to save his friends when the hand grenade rolled onto the ground during an operation in Afghanistan earlier this year.

Without hesitating he chose to chance death and save his three fellow Royal Marines.

Now he has been awarded the George Cross, the highest decoration for bravery while not in the face of the enemy, which is surpassed only by the award of the Victoria Cross for thehighest level of bravery in the face of the enemy.

"It was a case of either having four of us as fatalities or badly wounded-or one," he said after the incident last February in Helmand province

L/Cpl Croucher, 24, was part of a company of 40 Commando sent to investigate a suspected Taliban bomb-making factory near the town of Sangin when he set off the trip-wire booby-trap that unleashed the deadly grenade.

"I thought, 'I've set this bloody thing off and I'm going to do whatever it takes to protect the others,'" he said.

The Marine then shouted "Grenade. Take cover" to three men close to the bomb.

"I knew a grenade like this has a killing circumference of about five metres," he said. "I'd been through this scenario in my mind and realised there was nowhere to take cover-there's no point running off because you're going to catch shrapnel.

"The lads behind me would have caught a lot too."

The serviceman, from Birmingham, "fully expected" to lose a limb but was willing to make the sacrifice "if I could keep my torso and head intact".

He dived onto the floor, rolled over and used his backpack - containing a 66mm rocket, a large lithium battery and medical kit - to cover the lethal shrapnel fragments from the coming blast.

When the bang went off he was thrown through the air and suffered just a nose bleed.

"It took 30 seconds before I realised I was definitely not dead," he said.

The astonished Marines looked on as L/Cpl Croucher's body armour and backpack shielded everyone from the blast which caused a few cuts and bruises.

L/Cpl Croucher was examined by a medic who recommended he should be evacuated but the Marine, who has completed three tours of Iraq, was determined to stay to fight the Taliban and within an hour had shot an insurgent approaching their position.

In an earlier instance of bravery the Marine attended a comrade shot in the chest preventing his lungs from collapsing while under fire for 45 minutes.

"Bullets were landing everywhere and at one stage a rocket-propelled grenade landed three metres from us. It injured four other guys," he later said.

L/Cpl Croucher has kept his backpack as a trophy of the day he "beat the grim reaper".

"When I see it I'm constantly reminded how lucky I am," he said.

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 03:02 AM
Be still and know I am God.


i rest in that.


:heart:

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 03:01 AM
Sheesh. It's not about her looks.


huh

you are right.

it's not

wouldee's photo
Sat 09/20/08 08:09 PM
I find the closed minded rhetoric of linberals highly offensive to the intellect

I also find the deceitful spin of liberals to be quite cleverly concealed hatred of sound critical thinking and contemptible of any that actually apply themselves to know the facts regarding the due diligence and oversight of our political oleaders that is our right and responsibility to do as a matter of duty to our fellow citizen.

It is extremely offensive to me and very much malignant for the liberals to project their ill will with disengenuous machinations and contrivances of the facts of poiulitcal life in America.

I also am greatly offended by how the liberals [pontificate conjecture and idealology from the cloak of academia while the learned and capable among us battle the evil in the world of business and diplomacy with tyrannts while you liberals feign a greater calling to usurp my children's minds with your deceptoive and ill willed tactics and dogma.

Furthermoire, i am deeply offended when liberals hijack the word "liberal" and call on our christian faith as archai mindless adherence to fairy tales and such.


You really need to clean up your act.


You are destroying my country and trampling my flag and trampling my rights and trampling my ppatriotism and trampling my heritage and trampling my respect for our leaders and foebearers that spilled their blood and opened their wallets for you to come of age and in your cruel disdain, thrash the very principles of this nation which make yourt hideous depravation of collctive chataracter a shame for posterity's view of our culture and system of self governnance and compassion for all mankind.

Ther has never been a nationlike this and there may be no better hope for humanity than from America, but you derelicts of your whole duty to man despise tha.

THAT!!!!! is offensive.



get a life.



straight talk, not what you all spout, ad infinitum.


think slaphead


MI LAGO

wouldee's photo
Sat 09/20/08 07:45 PM

I have a special needs son and that name is offensive, OK? Grow up.


I know you folow y posts.
I have sad three times that these children are not the conditioned "arrested development victims of the socialist lying agenda.

This is only the kind of thing that comes at me when you guys on the looney left can't answer the facts regarding your stupidity as political ne'erdowells.

how can I and others deduce otherwise?

get over it.

Downs syndrome is not the issue here, apathy and neglect of the whole duty of sound minds abrogated is.


flowerforyou

wouldee's photo
Sat 09/20/08 07:28 PM



you libtards

That name is offensive.


I agree.



of course you agree.

you think pro-lifers like Mrs. Sarah Palin are against women's rights.

and the sexist remarks you guys use agaiunst her is women on women sexism.

get over it already.


bigsmile

wouldee's photo
Sat 09/20/08 07:25 PM


you libtards

That name is offensive.


you know what?

the only ones having trouble with it is the liberal looney left.

somewhere I posted the definition of libtards.

I didn't invent it.

It has been around for a long time.

k9inda goes hand in hand with the epithets of the looney left, when you think about it.

have a sense of humor, even if your partisan hacking is seriuous business for you.

Us Pro life beilevers are still in the Dark Ages, huh?

Us "God duty guns and mom and dad" people are just neanderthals to you enlightened ones, huh?


get over yourself.


flowers

wouldee's photo
Sat 09/20/08 07:20 PM


this is phenomenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you gotta see this.


this is how the Congress deals with the problems.

I was wrong and I admit it!!!

yup, they actually DO GET IT!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivNwQ76mCs&feature=related


tears tears tears slaphead


Interesting. The Repubs. place a black man and a woman as being the helpless ones. I don't think that that is a good representation of a black man or a woman.







LOL

it's called, "democrats on an escalator."


isn't it the funnies thing youve ever seen?

of course it is.

free your mind.


with the incredible lightness of being that comes from being loosed of the looney left's noose of catatonic apathy and indecision.


flowers


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