msharmony wrote:



I believe God cares. I think that often times what is in our spiritual best interest is not the thing that makes our flesh happy, much like when we were children and didnt get the things we wanted from our parents,, there was a greater knowledge to be gained for our future use.

That is debates for .. to reach a point of understanding and usually in debates both sides claim that other side doesn't understand them.
Ok I try to push you beyond the words ...I asked /ask you logical questions out of the stoned religious matrix and I hope that you
gonna try to give me your ideas abt it.


So I asked you simple quetions:

If God is a spirit how then He is ours and all the universe's material life/substance a creator?

And how you know that he is a spirit ?

I think what you are asking is "If God is a spirit, then how is he the creator of the universe and all life?" and "How do you know that God is a spirit?"

If so, I would answer this way "If the universe has a creator, then that creator cannot be material.

Whoever or whatever created the universe cannot be part of the universe and must somehow be separate.

The creator of the universe must exist within it's own dimension of time, because the dimension of time that we exist within is co-terminus with our universe.

Physicists of various stripes have proved that the universe had a beginning and will have an end.

They have also proved that because of dark matter and dark energy, the universe is not cyclical and therefore not eternal.

This means that a being must have decided to create the universe.

So what we come up with is a being that isn't physical (the creator created all material), doesn't exist in our universe, is eternal (exists in it's own dimension of time). In English, we would call such a thing a spirit."

Don't know what religion you're speaking of. But my father our god has told me that homosexuality is a sin.

I hate no one nor do I spread hate. I answered your question. EVERYONE has been told of this. Some listen, some ignore, some don't believe, ect.

Doesn't take extra knowledge to learn what sex is lol, it's randomly discussed through school, on TV, over hearing people talk in public, ect.

The creating a life is the greatest feeling ever, nothing compares to such an action. The two people know that the baby is there living flesh and blood, that they conceived that child in a night of great love making. What more is there? What greater pleasure could top that?

Our father has told everyone. Some don't listen, some ignore, some just flat out lie and say he didn't say as such. I'm nothing special.

More and more people are finally realizing that these books about God, without God having anything to do with them, screw up more than they fix. Their purpose is to solidify somebody's belief system and is used to fortify their positions, whatever they are. All BOOKS about God are that way. God wrote nothing. He's too intelligent.

Don't know what religion you're speaking of. But my father our god has told me that homosexuality is a sin.

One of us isn't understanding the other. Your summation of what I said and your conclusions don't match what I've said. This discussion doesn't feel productive at all, I think I'll bow out.

God is largely unknowable, because God is a spirit.

Humans can't know the spiritual, because we have such limited experience with the spiritual. So God communicates those concepts through parables and allegories.

Have you ever heard of that movie or the saying "pay it forward"?

I've always thought that we should try to pass on, in any way possible, as many benefits to others as we've received from our own angels.

I give my clients complete (usually), stable (usually) applications, but they cannot understand how they work, without allegories.

They know how to use the application (front end user interface), but what is going on in the back end is a mystery to them.

Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine?

(living life does not mean debauchery either)


I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach.

Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church.

Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear.

Actually we know the earth is round because noone has fallen off of it yet.

How do you know they haven't? If they fell off the earth, it would be kinda hard for them to come tell us lol >.<

God and his manifest and purpose doesn't need any parables
or allegories to make all of us to be sure that He exist .
All these parables and allegories are people's invention
and they have nothing to do with God and faith in God.

Parables and allegories mislead the truth and they are tools
of manipulation of people to people.





So you would believe it, if it said "A beautiful, deceitful, dangerous, intelligent and wise-seeming angel", instead of "serpent"?

Yes I hear spirits everyday. When a person talks to you that is what controls the talking. The spirit. That's what controls our every action. That's why when a person is a nice person, they say he's in good spirits.

Thanks for making that clear. Many people believe as you do, that anyone can be an angel at any time and may not even know it.

But does an angel always have to be a good person, doing a good deed?

Can we learn a valuable lesson from someone that others think is a bad person? Would that person be an angel too?

Thanks for the information.

Can you explain - your meaning of "angels are alive people". Does that mean, like someone who seems just as human as we are? But they are only here on a mission?
If all angels are immortal, are there a fixed number of them or do they pro-create?

I've read some Sci-fi and saw some movies in which angels pro-created with humans - do you think they can do that?

WHY AM I HERE? I WONDER IF I’M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SOMETHING THAT I’M NOT!

HOW DO BUTTERFLIES LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL HAVING COME FROM SOMETHING SO UGLY? IS THERE A MEANING IN THAT?
HOW DOES THE WONDERFUL SCENT OF A BLOSSOM GET ITS SCENT? IT GROWS IN DIRT!

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY MAN CAN’T MAKE A BEAUTIFUL FLOWER. HOW DOES ALL THIS WORK?
IS AN AUTOMOBILE ACTUALLY MADE FROM WHAT’S FOUND IN THE EARTH? WHY CAN’T MAN MAKE DIRT? WHAT IS MAN HERE FOR?

ARE WE REALLY NEEDED?
AND IF SO, FOR WHAT? I HAVE WONDERED – BEING THAT THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING IS SO POWERFUL, WHY DOES THAT CREATOR NEED ME?
OR IN FACT DOES HE ? IS THERE A CREATOR OR DID EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY JUST APPEAR FROM NOTHINGNESS? IF I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CREATOR, COULD HE NOT ACCOMPLISH MORE IN AN INSTANT THAN I WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE IN A LIFETIME? AM I TO DO SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES SOLIDS, LIQUIDS OR GASES OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE?

I’M NOT A SPECIAL PERSON TO GOD, JUST ONE OF HIS BILLIONS OF CREATIONS.

I am a computer programmer and I use metaphors all the time, when explaining computer concepts to clients or supervisors who aren't technical enough to understand the technical answer.