Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine?

(living life does not mean debauchery either)


I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach.

Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church.

Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear.

No we are not obsessed with anything. And sure a straight Christian could be friends with a homosexual. There's nothing wrong with that, they are just friends. The Christian wouldn't be embracing the sexual activities this homosexual does. They are just friends. We help homosexuals, we help murderers, we help priests, we help the hobo down the street. What label one wishes to give another doesn't make any difference. We love everyone just the same, there is not segregation or anything of such. Back to the subject, yeah it would be just fine for a Christian to be friends with a homosexual. We love all regardless of the activities they may choose to do.

if may not even be about religion it may be a fear of Death so strong that it borders on paranoia in which the sufferer seek ways or solutions to control this paranoia and some choose to control this fear by turning to religions that promise them that they will not die

By love do you mean "showing them the error of their ways"? Or putting the fear of god into them? Like you do daily?

How can a religious person even attend the gay pagan wedding to support their friend or sign papers showing support for the gay couple to adopt? How can the religious person spend every day with the gay person watching them love their partner and not say anything derogatory?

Hypocrisy?

I agree.

Making the person disingenuous out of fear

Nah...

If a person is a really genuine christian , muslim or whatever there religion ,who trust in God with all his mind and heart , he not gonna follow the religion rules because he
knows something very important which pretenders or just
followers because of tradition or by force of habits don't know :

God is the only Truth and Love .
Church and religions are people's inventions not God's
and God gave us sparkles of his divine power - love
, to love and support each other .

The genuine christian ,jewish, muslim or whatever there belief
will accept the other person without any other conditions but
good and acceptable acting only



Eh .. right now people are far from God ...

In essence I could agree with your post.

The only result being that the vast majority of "proselytizers" are then recognized as being in-genuine with respect to their associated religions. Which I would indeed whole-halfheartedly agree with.

Take away the bigoted arrogance of the proselytizers, and replace it with a genuine divine sense of love, and you've basically recognized the genuine spirituality of all humans regardless of their religious beliefs, or even non-beliefs.

After all, a belief in a God is not even required to genuinely experience divine love. Even people who view these feelings and values as being 'secular' in nature would still be exhibiting, and therefore emanating, "divine love". In fact, that very label is mere words that people place on a particular concept and experience.

I personally feel that people who proselytize religion don't trust God any further than they can spit. After all, if they truly trusted God they would no there no decent person has anything to fear and that everyone worthy of being 'saved' would be saved.

After all, any god who would allow decent people to fall through the cracks of his judgmental system then would be an untrustworthy god in the first place. So when people suggest that God is like that all they are suggesting is that they don't trust God to do anything right.

Truly.

How is that hypocrisy? Hypocrisy would be one telling another not to do it but doing it themselves. Being a friend of a homosexual and participating in your friend's homosexuality are two totally different things, so no hypocrisy. And as a friend, why would the Christian not try to bring the truth to this homosexual. Point out the fault. Don't treat the person any differently then another, show the person love, caring, and compassion just as one would for any other human being, homosexual, heterosexual, tall, short, skinny, over weight, ect. That all has no baring on how one should treat another. For the simple fact if you treated them any differently because of this attribute you have then judged this person and see him/her at a lower level then the rest of the population. So again yeah even if the person is homosexual, that makes no difference for friends.

religion is just centered around Death...some seem dis-enchanted with their life in this existence and are looking for something better in the afterlife not realizing the possibility that the same thing that has taken place in this life most likely will take place in the afterlife...so far the only reward in Heaven is being an Undead ...

Christianity is all about life.

I disagree. If Christianity were about life, reward would not come after death,

Reward doesn't come after death, only the grand prize.

Ask and ye shall receive our father tells us.

You're not understanding her point. In pointing out the "fault", you ARE judging them. Maybe you don't think so but you are. How can you geuninely love them for who they truly are, if you're going to tell them they're wrong?

It'd be one thing if they actually were, but in this case they're not, the religion just makes you think they are.

Which would still be a reward, by how you refer to it.

If I'm doing wrong weather it's legally, in a relationship, or to our father which art in heaven, I would rather the person tell me rather then loose what is precious.

Yes but again, it's the religion that is what makes it wrong, not reality. Therein lies the difference.

My point was only ONE reward has to wait till you pass away on this earth. All other rewards are received on earth.

Either way, it's used as a way to bend one to their will down here.

The religion makes nothing, religion is merely a belief. It's not substantial and can not create something. Our father which art in heaven is whom disagrees and does not allow homosexuality.