I've got a question to any athiests(naturalists) who are interested. (And yes, not all athiests are naturalists). I should note first of all that I am genuinely curious here. So:

If there is no god or gods and only what can be proved scientifically is true then where does meaning and purpose for human life come from? Sure, we can invent meaning for ourselves but isn't that basically self delusion? The very same criticism leveled at theists? The only purpose I can see from a naturalists worldview is that we must make a baby and raise it is able to make babies itself... and then we die. Is that really all our lives mean? Or is there more?

Discuss

Avatart,

I've looked over the web site you linked to. I'm personally not the slightest bit impressed by their methods. I've seen this same sort of thing done by Christians using the Bible. In fact, it's the same old stuff really. Obviously the Biblical Old Testament and much of the Qur'an are basically the the same superstitious folklore.

I disagree with many of there comparisons and analogies. Then tend to misrepresent scientific knowledge a lot too. Like the idea of a Big Crunch. That was a scientific hypothesis at one point, but it no longer has any scientific credibility.

More importantly it's rather easy to take an idea of any kind and find something in these stories that could be made analogous to it.

So personally I'm not impressed by these things. If you are, more power to you!

But if you're out to prove it to others, then I'm not convinced.

I dismiss these ancient stories for other reasons as well. IMHO they are totally inconsistent even with their own claims as well as being inconsistent with the personified character traits of their godhead.

So I dismiss them solely on their own self-contradictions. No science required.

it literaly shows, you dont do any researches, or have any idea, about religons and their book, or even historical researches

Never! I'm dreaming, you are apart of my dream, and i shall never unplug from the system!

jrbogie wrote:

not a person of faith but i don't see so much a rise in atheism as i see a rise of secularism in general. 'strong' atheism, a BELIEF that there is no god makes no more sense than a BELIEF that god exists. i think that more and more folks are turning towards scientific explanations of creation, evolution, etc., more so than simply rejecting religion. and of course our governemnt separates itself from religion more and more with each challenge in the courts in general.

Throughout my year of research about different religons and beliefs, i discovered islam is the religon that has the highest authenticty, i found out about the presence of science and technology documented in the holy books, which was revealed long before western civilasation.... Facts and science like, the spherical shape of earth, the fusing of gamete cells, the light refraction of water, the big bang theory, the theory of rain making e.t.c.... Its enough for me to believe that a supreme being truly exist

Q:Where did God come from?

A:From the imagination of men.

As i said before and i'll say it a million times if people would have listened to this man Democrit



the world would be free of the myth of religion

No. Science can't explain WHAT caused the Big Bang. The Big Bang actually defies reason, because of causality. I'm proposing that God caused the Big Bang, you have NO EXPLANATION for the cause of the Big Bang.

I hear a lot of people from all religions agree that there is only "one God."

What does that mean exactly?

How can people make that claim or have that belief when God has not really been clearly defined?

Who originally came up with the idea of only one God?

I've noticed on many sites I visit some pics,or where there should be pics,are just blank with a red x in the upper left corner...is my computer as senile as I am or whats the problem.
Dean

Question for the faithful:

If you suddenly didn't have the need for faith anymore...could you imagine living a good life without it?


Question for those that don't need faith:

When times get hard to where you truly need morale support yet don't find any, where do you go to find strength?

Its not a mans birth that we should remember but a mans end of Life. How did a person affect us? Was it positive?

Since it has been so serious lately about religious views, I have an interesting question that I thought up just for fun....


What if Eve had been created first? Would things be the same as they are or would they be different?

Interesting and especially when we begin comparing what people have to say.

Chocolina writes:


There is even a certain logic that Chocolina applies to support the idea:



But that is not a complete thought process because the logic that supports the inference is incomplete. WHY is it meaningful for an individual soul to continue to be ‘re-born’ or ‘re-incarnated’ on this Earth?

What is being benefited and/or whom is being benefited by our continued return into this, or any other, physical life-form?

I have to ask – how do you know we don’t pay to have this life? If we are what Chocolina believes we are, then how can either of you know that in some other plane in which our ‘personality/soul’ exists we haven’t paid some fee to have this life -- kind of like an extended carnival ride.

Either way – if the physical form ceases to exist then much of who and what we think we are, including much of our personality, would die with the physical form because who we are, how we act, and even how and what we think are directly related to our physical experiences in this body.

Take away the body that our personality developed in and we have no frame of reference regarding this one existence. The fact that we don’t remember being any other person (with some other personality that formed in another form or forms) seems to indicate that we are newly developed and will cease to exist when the body ceases to exist.

I admit that my logic is based on nothing – literally. In other words, there are no scientific theories that extend beyond the death of our physical form – therefore, I think the body ceases to exist.

Others prefer to believe that our intellect makes us so much more important within the universe that we must continue to exist beyond the physical. Some believe it would be meaningless for such a wondrous creature as humans to live like any other life form and then cease to exist in the same manner.

I, on the other hand, do not see humans as that wondrous of a creature. Nothing in all the data we have amassed in the time that we have existed as human on this planet – suggests to me, that we proceed in our everyday lives in any manner that is better than any other animal that has ever populated this Earth.

So I would suggest that if anyone wants to believe that humans have some eternal quality, that they might consider that we pay some over-rated fee to gain entry into this carnival ride and perhaps the fail safe to exit the ride prior to its completion - is suicide.

So what do you all think about that?

CowboyGH wrote:


And besides all that, if God said it was your time, no money in the world could keep you here.

Yes but money didn't originally by that life, so therefore the money never bout you any life. Merely repaired your body to possibly lengthen that life.

that's not true. Money can buy you something to repair yourself in this life, but it can not originally buy the life.

When you die do you die?

If you are not living life are you dead?

If you are living life death is not important.

life is.

enjoy it.

amen, life is the most valuable thing ever. There's not enough money on the earth that can buy a life. It's priceless, enjoy it.