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If Iran does not want the bomb then all they have to do is dismantle
their underground fortified enrichment facilities and turn over all their uranium processing to outside sources. Iran could in this way assure everyone that they do not have any intention of developing nuclear weapons while obtaining as much reactor grade uranium that they could want. Iran has been offered this solution from day one but they reject it and instead work on nuclear weapons grade enrichment progress in the fortified underground installations. Actions speak louder than words. Freedoms? Iran is one of the most repressive terrorist supporters in the world and while they work feverishly on developing nuclear arms capabilities they continue to call for the extermination of Israelis when Israel really does have all the freedoms that Iran lacks. This has nothing to do with freedom - except the freedom of Israel and other countries to be protected from radical Islamic Iranian extremists. Iran should not have the freedom to fund terrorists to attack the US and Israel. Iran should not have the freedom to build nuclear weapons to arm terrorists attacking the US and Israel. Iran should not have the freedom to threaten to harm Israel (which they call the little Satan) or the US (which they call the Great Satan). Iran should not have the freedom to violently repress their own citizens, criminalize what women wear as clothing or criminalize higher education of females etc etc.. In short, Iran's freedoms should end when it comes to violent attacks and threats against others. Iran's freedoms should end when it comes to radical repression. Particularly when it comes to the development of weapons of mass destruction capability because of Iran's demonstrated history of attacking innocent people with their support of terrorist actions, the world must be vigilant against terrorist sponsors developing such horrific weapons capabilities. |
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Here is something to think about. This is basically what you are claiming: Consider the case of a Caucasian Ashkenazi European who claims to be "Jewish" and is not "Semitic" or religious at all, (does not practice Judaism) --- what makes him "Jewish?" A gene? That is absurd. Genes have nothing to do with religion. 1. Because Ashkenazi Jews practice Judaism. That is why they are called Ashkenazi Jews. 2. It is crazy to expect that people who have the same religion would get married and have kids who also practice the same religion with their family. That is just crazy talk!?! Why would people with the same religion be related? It's unfathomable. |
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Top 10 Reasons Iran does not want the bomb
10. Radiation is scary and they don't want to touch Uranium. 9. Already have devastating "camel bombs"! 8. North Korea has promised to protect them. 7. They need all their resources to suppress their own population. 6. The underground centrifuges are needed for biological weapons development. 5. Sexy weapons are too exciting for men and they will have to put hijabs on all of the warheads. 4. Saudi Arabia told them they don't need the bomb. 3. Afraid of Obama. 2. Iranian people are poor and starving. 1. Ahmadinejad would never do anything to jeopardize his warm relationship with Jews and Israelis! |
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Come on. That sounds racist to me. Maybe you're onto something here. Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color. Thank you for proving my point. Judging people solely based on their photograph sounds like bigotry to me. |
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Sounds like HSBC has admitted to the crimes and has agreed to ~
$2 billion in sanctions but I agree that some of those who started and perpetuated the money laundering should go to jail. I cannot see how that would "destroy" HSBC. Have to ask the prosecutors why not. |
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Have not been so excited since 11-11-11
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Its one thing to question a nation's policies. But to question its very existence the way many here chose to do so? THAT IS RACIST. Israel is the MOTHERLAND of the Jews. Hell, Islam has the BALLS to claim they have part of the Torah as their tradition when they blatantly refuse to acknowledge the claim Israel has on that particular parcel thanks to the Torah. Islam is lying hard about their part in the mess "Over there." I don't question Israel's existence or their right to exist. Please read this carefully. I question the idea of their existence as a "JEWISH STATE." Let them exist, and let them exist as a State. No problem. But any country that wants to be recognized as a "Jewish" or "Islamic" or "Christian" State is nothing more than a great big religious CULT. GOVERNMENT AND RELIGION SHOULD BE SEPARATE. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to comprehend. Jeannie, the whole entire reason for Israel's existence is to be a place where Jews can find a place to live free to worship their religion without persecution. In Israel, unlike the neighboring states, Jews can live and worship as they see fit, go wherever they like and pray openly. In fact, Israel is the ONLY place in the Mideast where anyone can worship whatever religion they wish free from persecution. It is a great place to live and a wonderful open society for the religious and non-religious alike but Israel's identity is uniquely Jewish as it has been since almost 2000 years before Christ. Honestly, this is a really good thing and serves as an example the many Islamic states of the world could follow to improve their societies. |
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Asked whether, in terms of international law, Israel would not still be held responsible for the Palestinian population, Inbar replied: There’s no need for us to be responsible for them. I am not prepared to be responsible for the food that comes or does not come to them. It’s their problem, not ours. What, must I take care of the whole world? We left their big cities in 1996 and that’s it…. If they want to be nice to us then we’ll help them, if not then we won’t…. Yes. There would be international pressure and we will withstand it. If the Europeans want to help them, let them help them…. We should not help our enemies. This represents the situation fairly well. Israel abandoned the West Bank and Gaza to Palestinian governance years ago but no real government every took hold. The PLO died with Arafat and a more corrupt disgusting inept and useless governance has never existed. Now different areas are controlled by local gangs and various terrorist groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. No one has a clear mandate and all the areas are ruled through fear, extrajudicial beatings and killings and threats. All the groups are broke and depend on smuggling and terrorist support charities most of them rabidly and baldly antisemitic. So, Israel takes steps to safeguard their security first and has to let the various Palestinian warring factions to fight it out themselves regarding dominance. This is not government of course but merely mob fiefdom rule. They want a unified state and the rest of the world would like to see some sort of order there as well but for now it is a pipe dream. |
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Still waiting. Explain to the world why the Askenazi non-religious Zionist's of Israel have a right to be in Israel if they were not actually born there? Also please explain why Israel has a right to be a "Jewish State." The Genetics have nothing to do with these questions. If you think they do, then please explain. 1. Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews both of whom are descended from Jews of ancient Israel have the right to live with other Jews together in their original homeland if they wish. 2. Israel not only has a right to determine their national religion but they also have a duty to do so and preserve a place where all Jews can live free from religious persecution. It is all too obvious why this is necessary after the mass killings of Jews and unjust persecution of Jews throughout the Mideast and Europe and Asia. 3. The genetic evidence clearly shows the connection of the Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews in fact all Jews to their ancient heritage. It refutes the idiotic claim that Ashkenazi Jews were descended primarily from the Khazars and that all Jews share a common religious and genetic heritage related to ancient Israel. all excellent points. Israel's national internal policies are no one else's business, just as our own here in America. Israel can decide who may live there....who cares - it is a non issue for no reason. Whomever lives there will need to be law abiding like any where else. why do others assume they have a right to tell Israel what to do with the nation she has created? In America we say if someone does not like it here they are welcome to go - Israel can say the same to the same anti semitic racists detractors that appear on here over and over again - I can't imagine that you don't have more important things to worry about in your own back yards than trying to tell a sovereign nation what to do ......you sound ridiculous yanno & the racism is vile and ugly just sayin |
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I love this place. I blame the Rothschilds. |
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Still waiting. Explain to the world why the Askenazi non-religious Zionist's of Israel have a right to be in Israel if they were not actually born there? Also please explain why Israel has a right to be a "Jewish State." The Genetics have nothing to do with these questions. If you think they do, then please explain. 1. Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews both of whom are descended from Jews of ancient Israel have the right to live with other Jews together in their original homeland if they wish. 2. Israel not only has a right to determine their national religion but they also have a duty to do so and preserve a place where all Jews can live free from religious persecution. It is all too obvious why this is necessary after the mass killings of Jews and unjust persecution of Jews throughout the Mideast and Europe and Asia. 3. The genetic evidence clearly shows the connection of the Ashkenazi Jews and Zionist Jews in face all Jews to their ancient heritage. It refutes the idiotic claim that Ashkenazi Jews were descended primarily from the Khazars and that all Jews share a common religious and genetic heritage related to ancient Israel. |
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Analysis of Jewish genomes refutes the Khazar claim. What are you claiming?...that the asian Khazars descend from Abraham (like hundreds of millions and probably billions of other gentiles), or that Khazaria never became Jewish by conversion? http://www.khazaria.com/ Hebrews=Jews so there is no problem there. Hebrews≠>Jews, so there IS a problem there. The problem is erroneously equating a proselytizing religion (Judaism) with a genetic/ethnic (Semitic, Hebrew) origin. In fact, many Hebrews didn't adopt Judaism, and of those who did (some twenty-five hundred years ago), many "genetic Jews" have converted away to other religions (such as Islam). 1. The theory that Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from Khazars is a load of dung beetle food. The theory that all or most Ashkenazi Jews might be descended from Khazars dates back to the racial studies of late 19th century Europe. In most cases it has been cited to assert that most modern Jews are not descended from Israelites and/or to refute Israeli claims to Israel. It was first publicly proposed in lecture given by the racial-theorist Ernest Renan on January 27, 1883, titled "Judaism as a Race and as Religion."[72] It was repeated in articles in The Dearborn Independent in 1923 and 1925, and popularized by racial theorist Lothrop Stoddard in a 1926 article in the Forum titled "The Pedigree of Judah", where he argued that Ashkenazi Jews were a mix of people, of which the Khazars were a primary element. The Khazar theory still enjoys popularity among anti-Zionists[55] and antisemites.[80] Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel, nor would they be the subject of God's Biblical promise of Canaan to the Israelites, thus undermining the theological basis of both Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists. In the 1970s and 80s the Khazar theory was also advanced by some Russian chauvinist antisemites, particularly the historian Lev Gumilyov, who portrayed "Judeo-Khazars" as having repeatedly sabotaged Russia's development since the 7th century.[81] Bernard Lewis, stated in 1999: This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics. =-=-= The genetic evidence also shows that the Khazar theory of the origin of Ashkenazi Jews is a asinine. A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[82] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism. A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. In August 2012, Dr. Harry Ostrer summarizing his, as well as all genetic studies carried out in last 20 years, stated in his book "Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People" that all major Jewish groups do have common Middle Eastern origin, originating from ancient Israelites, and refuted any large scale genetic contribution from the Turkic Khazars. 2. Hebrews (Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm; Modern Hebrew ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim; ISO 259-3 ʕibrim, ʕibriyim) is an ethnonym used in the Tanakh (Jewish Bible). It is mostly taken as synonymous with the Semitic Israelites.[1] By the Roman era, Greek Hebraios could refer to the Jews in general, as Strong's Hebrew Dictionary puts it "any of the Jewish Nation"[2] and at other times more specifically to the Jews living in Judea. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible uses Hebrews and Jews interchangeably, in the Book Of Esther (2:5) Mordechai the Benjamite is called a Jew,[3] though he is not of the tribe of Judah. In Jonah 1:9 Jonah is called a Hebrew.[4] In Armenian, Italian, Kurdish, Old French and a few other languages the transfer of the name from Hebrew to Jew never took place, and 'Hebrew' is the primary used word for a Jew. Jews are also called Hebrews which refers to the language of Jews. |
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I think your claims based on the genetic study have been refuted by Jeaniebean and common sense. Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys, the first to use genome-wide scanning devices to compare many Jewish communities around the world. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Let's examine some of your claims: Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives. False. Your claim conflates the Jews with the Hebrews. While all ethnic Jews have Hebrew origins, not very many people with Hebrew origins became Jews. In fact, since the Hebrews (worshipping various different G-ds) mixed with the people of Canaan, the genetic markers stemming from 3,000 years ago are carried as much (or more) by Arabs & other semites than jews (Hence the term "Arab-Jew" for the Sephardim). Anyone making a claim to the Holy land based on such genetic markers would have to concede the legitimacy of semitic claim to that land, and true semites are arabs as much as jews. Since The jewish diaspora has had their "land claim" genome diluted by many generations of life away from the holy land, any hereditary claim to it is superceded by claims of the Arabs & semites who have lived there all along, since their gene pool has not been diluted anywhere near as much. A major surprise from both surveys is the genetic closeness of the two Jewish communities of Europe, the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim. The Ashkenazim thrived in Northern and Eastern Europe until their devastation by the Hitler regime, and now live mostly in the United States and Israel. The Sephardim were exiled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497 and moved to the Ottoman Empire, North Africa and the Netherlands. To preserve their national & religious identity over the ages, Jews have discouraged interbreeding with gentile populations (which occurred nonetheless). The tendency then would have been for Jews of different origins to intermarry (e.g. Sephardim & Ashkenazi). For lack of more information regarding the prevalence of the middle-eastern genes in European/ Asian populations, it is probably fair to say that it likely accounts for the genetic similarity between the Sephardim and 40% of the Ashkenazim. The two genome surveys extend earlier studies based just on the Y chromosome, the genetic element carried by all men. They refute the suggestion made last year by the historian Shlomo Sand in his book “The Invention of the Jewish People” that Jews have no common origin but are a miscellany of people in Europe and Central Asia who converted to Judaism at various times. Sand's Claim is not refuted by the study cited. Since Judaism is a religion that accepts converts (like the Khazars and others), it IS fair to say that ethnically/genetically speaking, Jews have no more common origin in the Holy Land than a vast number of gentiles. Hebrews=Jews so there is no problem there. From the Wiki Hebrews (Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, Tiberian ʿIḇrîm, ʿIḇriyyîm; Modern Hebrew ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim; ISO 259-3 ʕibrim, ʕibriyim) is an ethnonym used in the Tanakh (Jewish Bible). It is mostly taken as synonymous with the Semitic Israelites, especially in the pre-monarchic period when they were still nomadic, but in some instances it may also be used in a wider sense, referring to the Phoenicians, or to other ancient groups, such as the group known as Shasu of Yhw on the eve of the Bronze Age collapse.[1] By the Roman era, Greek Hebraios could refer to the Jews in general, as Strong's Hebrew Dictionary puts it "any of the Jewish Nation"[2] and at other times more specifically to the Jews living in Judea. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible uses Hebrews and Jews interchangeably, in the Book Of Esther (2:5) Mordechai the Benjamite is called a Jew,[3] though he is not of the tribe of Judah. In Jonah 1:9 Jonah is called a Hebrew.[4] In Armenian, Italian, Kurdish, Old French and a few other languages the transfer of the name from Hebrew to Jew never took place, and 'Hebrew' is the primary used word for a Jew.[5][6][7][8] No point in dancing around on the head of a pin. Jews and Hebrews can be used interchangeably. Hebrew is the language of the Jews and since antiquity Jews have been referred to as Hebrews ie. those who speak Hebrew - namely the Jews. Jews married other Jews just because they shared the same religious beliefs - exactly the same as <your religion here> married within the same religion. No conspiracy - just normal social behavior. And the genetic evidence properly interpreted does indeed destroy Sand's and others arguments which attempt to diminish unjustifiably the obvious ties of the Jews to their homeland Israel. |
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There are too many different kinds of people who are related to or claim to be "Jews" to call them "a people" or "a nation" is absurd. If the reason for all of the fuss is to try to find out who the so-called "chosen people" are who have the alleged right to steal Israel and call it a Jewish state, then you may as well forget that nonsense. If you want to believe the Bible, then everyone on the earth has roots in the Garden of Eden, which is believed to be somewhere in the middle east. That does not mean that anyone on earth can claim to have the right to return to their homeland and make war with the people there. This whole crap about "chosen people" and Bible myth is absurd anyway. But here is what this link says: About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html More: Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, Steven Bray's study of 2010, and others. Key findings: The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E. Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q1b1a (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European but the most common Ashkenazic variant comes from somewhere in Asia, probably Central Asia). Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern Europeans. Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite peoples. Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites. Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites. Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites. Libyan Jews are mainly Israelites who may have mixed somewhat with Berbers. Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no Israelite ancestry. Bene Israel Jews and Cochin Jews of India have much Indian ancestry in their mtDNA. Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite. The sources I cited are peer reviewed scientific journals. The website you cite above is an antisemitic hate propaganda website (khazaria). There is no point in making citations to hate speech like Der Sturmer and trying to act like it is bonafide literature! |
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By Robert J. Avrech | October 10, 2012 Prominent Saudi Says Israel Is Not The Enemy The media in the Arab Muslim world is, for the most part, a swamp of victimhood, conspiracy theories, Jew-hatred, blood libels, delusional intellectuals, and fanatic Islamist genocidiers. But every once in a while a whiff of truth slips past the gate keepers. The following article by Abdulateef Al-Mulhim, a retired commodore in the Saudi Royal Navy, and published in the Arab News, Saudi Arabia, is a remarkable piece of truth-telling. Mr. Al-Mulhim shatters the basic myth of the Arab Muslim world: that Israel is the source of all Muslim troubles, the primal enemy who must be destroyed. In fact, so articulate is the core message of this article that it would never even be published in today’s NY Times, for it is a direct repudiation of every word ever written by Thomas Friedman. Alas, Seraphic Secret confesses that as soon as we read Mr. Al-Mulhim’s article, we understood that this honest and courageous man has painted a huge “Kill Me” sign on his back. http://www.seraphicpress.com/prominent-saudi-says-israel-is-not-the-enemy/ |
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From: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/330188?page=5
E: Even Wiki says that their ethnicity are "Ashkenazi Jewish." They merely claim to be Jews. (They actually worship Satan, but I doubt if they will admit that.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family you really need to read up on some of the Genetic Research! laugh you are sorely behind times!laughing And here is a link to the American Journal of Human Genetics article. http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2810%2900246-6 And in case you cannot get that link to work - Here is the abstract: =-=-=-= Abstract For more than a century, Jews and non-Jews alike have tried to define the relatedness of contemporary Jewish people. Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations. However, these and successor studies of monoallelic Y chromosomal and mitochondrial genetic markers did not resolve the issues of within and between-group Jewish genetic identity. Here, genome-wide analysis of seven Jewish groups (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek, and Ashkenazi) and comparison with non-Jewish groups demonstrated distinctive Jewish population clusters, each with shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations, and variable degrees of European and North African admixture. Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry. Rapid decay of IBD in Ashkenazi Jewish genomes was consistent with a severe bottleneck followed by large expansion, such as occurred with the so-called demographic miracle of population expansion from 50,000 people at the beginning of the 15th century to 5,000,000 people at the beginning of the 19th century. Thus, this study demonstrates that European/Syrian and Middle Eastern Jews represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters woven together by shared IBD genetic threads. =-=-=-= Yes, amazingly enough there is common ancestry for all groups from all over the world and it is traced back to the Middle East. Using the latest and best DNA techniques! You may not like it but it is a fact. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929710002466 Way behind,and so is your Friend!laughing |
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The Guitar
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The intro lesson..
http://youtu.be/iF5TDcNcxMk Rory Block and...Travelin Blues... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk0J1ZOBobE&feature=share&list=AL94UKMTqg-9Am-TzQbf1AtLsxxKlTvBM- Travis pickin http://youtu.be/Go8x_1fD5vM Muhlenberg County Al Dimeola flat picking Mediterranean Sundance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhccIfevjCU&feature=share&list=AL94UKMTqg-9BiURyjEikiZo6UiezQm_PG |
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She told me she listens to this song and still thinks of me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OLUSELxFok |
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