Enough about drunks and attempts to deny Jewish heritage,
now back to the topic of why there was war in Gaza...

November 22, 2012 8:00 P.M.
Why Was There War in Gaza?
Hamas considers all of Israel occupied, illegitimate, a cancer, a crime against humanity.

By Charles Krauthammer

full story here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333904/why-was-there-war-gaza-charles-krauthammer#

Why was there an Israel–Gaza war in the first place? Resistance to the occupation, say Hamas and many in the international media.

What occupation? Seven years ago, in front of the world, Israel pulled out of Gaza. It dismantled every settlement, withdrew every soldier, evacuated every Jew, leaving nothing and no one behind. Except for the greenhouses in which the settlers had grown fruit and flowers for export. These were left intact to help Gaza’s economy — only to be trashed when the Palestinians took over.

Israel then declared its border with Gaza to be an international frontier, meaning that it renounced any claim to the territory and considered it an independent entity. In effect, Israel had created the first Palestinian state ever, something never granted by fellow Muslims — neither the Ottoman Turks nor the Egyptians who brutally occupied Gaza for two decades before being driven out by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.

Israel wanted nothing more than to live in peace with this independent Palestinian entity. After all, the world had incessantly demanded that Israel give up land for peace.

right now feel relaxed and calm
thinking about making some coffee

Splashes water vigorously on kk!!

OK - Well now we know that Jews are real, the Ashkenazi Jews are
just as Jewish as any other Jews, that the Romans overthrew the
Kingdom of David and that it was probably called the Kingdom of
David because of Kings Saul, Solomon and David discussed in the
bible and other writings.

We now can agree that Judaism is a religion and Jews are people who
follow some set of basic beliefs of Judaism and identify with that
religion. We now know also that detailed genetic studies have proven
that Jews from all over the world share a common genetic ancestry
which traces back to ancient Israel (the Kingdom of David) which is
mentioned by the Egyptians in writings dating back nearly 2000 years
before Christ and that these ancient Israelites originated their own
country Israel there during these times.

Fine.

So now we can get back to the thread topic which makes overblown and
erroneous claims about how the Gazans have been mistreated by Israel.

For one thing, Israel has never run Gaza or controlled it.

The Gaza Strip (Arabic: قطاع غزة‎ Qiṭāʿ Ġazzah, IPA: [qɪˈtˤɑːʕ ˈɣazza]) is a territory on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea that borders Egypt on the southwest (11 km) and Israel on the east and north (51 km (32 mi)). It is 41 kilometres (25 mi) long, and from 6 to 12 kilometres (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 365 square kilometres (141 sq mi).[1] The population of Gaza Strip is about 1.7 million people.[2] The population is predominantly Sunni Muslim. With a yearly growth rate of about 3.2%, the Gaza Strip has the 7th highest population growth rate in the world.[2]

The Gaza Strip acquired its current northern and eastern boundaries at the cessation of fighting in the 1948 war, confirmed by the Israel-Egypt Armistice Agreement on 24 February 1949.[3] Article V of the Agreement declared that the demarcation line was not to be an international border. The Gaza Strip continued to be occupied by Egypt. At first Gaza Strip was officially administered by the All-Palestine Government, established by the Arab League in September 1948. From the dissolution of the All-Palestine Government in 1959 until 1967, the Gaza Strip was directly administered by an Egyptian military governor. Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt in the Six-Day War in 1967. Pursuant to the Oslo Accords signed in 1993, the Palestinian Authority became the administrative body that governed Palestinian population centers.

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Since July 2007, following the 2006 Palestinian legislative election and following the Hamas takeover in 2007, Hamas has functioned as the de facto ruler in the Gaza Strip, forming an alternative Hamas Government in Gaza.

Hamas has ruled the Gaza strip by strongarm methods torturing and
killing any open opponents and threatening the civilian population
with forced adherence to a barbarous version of radical Islamic
society much like in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Rather than truly democratizing their society and working on
developing a non-military economy, Hamas has spent their time and
effort on weapons smuggling and attacking Israeli civilians. This
was done without regard for the wellbeing of ordinary Gazans who
ultimately are endangered when the Israelis are forced to try to
eliminate the rocket launching brigades and Hamas militant forces.
Hamas also allows a number of other radical Islamic paramilitary
groups to attack Israeli civilians and encourages their efforts.

Thus, Gaza has become a Taliban-like entity and Hamas is recognized
internationally as one of the worlds nastiest terrorist organizations.
Hamas rules Gaza, preached hatred and violence and simply attacks any
opposition to brutally suppress it by force.

The administration of the Gaza strip is really up to the Palestinians
themselves and they have a choice to live in peace or pursue war
with Israel and antisemitic hatred of Jews. At this time the terrorists
from Hamas are in charge and the Gazans are stuck living with them
as violent masters until they have their own Gazan spring.

It is a very sad time for the poor Gazans stuck with this terrorist
regime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/hamas-kills-suspected-col_n_2165236.html

Nobody ever said you could tell someone's religion solely by
genetics!

What was said was that genetic studies disprove the idiotic claims
of Sands that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary
Jews stems mainly from outside the ancient Land of Israel and that
a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed

It is now known through the genetic studies that Sands' view is
patently false.

Genetic studies prove that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews
stems directly from a common origin in the Mideast and that
basically all Jews show common ancestry directly linked to the
ancient Land of Israel and the nation-race of Jews is shown
directly through their modern day descendants.



The studies were done to understand the origins of people in this
case the Jewish population.



Actually there was no invasion of Jews in Israel. Jews always lived
there and migration always occurred there but it picked up a lot
when Jews had to escape Hitler and find a place to live and most
of the countries of the world would not accept any more Jews.



Actually the term "Ashkenazi" comes from a Hebrew word and refers
only to Jews - see the website on basic judaism 101 where this
question level is rated "basic". Ashkenazis are one of three major
groups of Jews based on geography. The term was invented to describe
one of these groups of Jews and no one else. There is no such thing
as non-Jewish Ashkenazis. Ashkenazis, Sephardim and Mizrachi are
all Jews from different geographic areas who have slightly different
rituals. Other than that, they are all Jews who practice the
religion Judaism and whom the genetic studies clearly show are
related and originate from the Middle east.

When you speak of the Ashkenazi of Israel you are merely talking
about Jews whose ancestors are from these areas. Meanwhile you are
confused about so-called secular Jews who are Jews from any of these
regions who just don't go to church everyday.

First of all, secular Jews are still Jews - still believe all the
central precepts of Judaism but are somewhat less observant.

It's like saying that Christians who don't go to church everyday are
not Christian even though they believe in Jesus, go to lengths to
follow his teachings but they only go to church on Christmas and
Easter or for various family events.



It still begs the question - why do some here always try to find ways
to delegitimize some Jews and attack Israel?

I think this bias against Jews in particular and also with Israeli
Jews is the reason others are suspicious of the motivation especially
with the long history of unjust bias and lies disparaging Jews as a
form of genocidal religious hatred.




Read the whole article on Ashkenazis here...
http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews
Ashkenazim v'Sepharadim (in Hebrew)

Level: Basic

• There are several subgroups of Jews with different culture and traditions:
Ashkenazic: Descendants of Jews from France, Germany and Eastern Europe
Sephardic: Descendants of Jews from Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East
Mizrachi: Descendants of Jews from North Africa and the Middle East
• Other subgroups are Yemenite, Ethiopian and Oriental

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews represent two distinct subcultures of Judaism. We are all Jews and share the same basic beliefs, but there are some variations in culture and practice. It's not clear when the split began, but it has existed for more than a thousand years, because around the year 1000 C.E., Rabbi Gershom ben Judah issued an edict against polygamy that was accepted by Ashkenazim but not by Sephardim.
Who are Ashkenazic Jews?

Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s. The pages in this site are written from the Ashkenazic Jewish perspective.

=-=-=-=

or, read the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y'hudey Ashkenaz, "The Jews of Ashkenaz"), are an ethnoreligious group who trace their origins to the indigenous Hebrew speaking peoples of Canaan in South Western Asia, and settled along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north, probably during the early Middle Ages.[5]

The name Ashkenazi derives from the biblical figure of Ashkenaz, the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). In the rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[6] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[7] The Jews living in these regions associated with Ashkenaz's kingdom thus came to call themselves the Ashkenazi.[7] Later, Jews from Western and Central Europe also came to be called Ashkenazi because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany.

Many Ashkenazi Jews later migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in non German-speaking areas, including Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and elsewhere between the 11th and 19th centuries. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a High German language written using the Hebrew alphabet. It had developed in medieval times as the lingua franca among Ashkenazi Jews. The Jewish communities of three cities along the Rhine: Speyer, Worms and Mainz, created the SHUM league (SHUM after the first Hebrew letters of Shpira, Vermayza, and Magentza). The ShUM-cities are considered the cradle of the distinct Ashkenazi culture and liturgy.

Iran however is developing nuclear weapons when the rest of the
civilized world is intent on reducing the number of nuclear weapons.

Iran is the only country in the world sponsoring antisemitic
Holocaust denial conferences and threatening to wipe another country
off the face of the earth.

NOW that is the problem.

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from cowboom, walmart or amazon. Great values in these machines.

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http://www.cowboom.com/product/819042

or maybe
http://www.cowboom.com/product/821424

you may have to install your own operating system or have a friend
do it.
cowboom - seems to have the best pricing for this type of machine right now.

People are making jokes about the end of the world like there is no tomorrow!

Actually the term "Ashkenazi" comes from a Hebrew word and refers
only to Jews - see the website on basic judaism 101 where this
question level is rated "basic". Ashkenazis are one of three major
groups of Jews based on geography. The term was invented to describe
one of these groups of Jews and no one else. There is no such thing
as non-Jewish Ashkenazis. Ashkenazis, Sephardim and Mizrachi are
all Jews from different geographic areas who have slightly different
rituals. Other than that, they are all Jews who practice the
religion Judaism and whom the genetic studies clearly show are
related and originate from the Middle east.

When you speak of the Ashkenazi of Israel you are merely talking about Jews whose ancestors are from these areas. Meanwhile you are
confused about so-called secular Jews who are Jews from any of these
regions who just don't go to church everyday.

First of all, secular Jews are still Jews - still believe all the
central precepts of Judaism but are somewhat less observant.

It's like saying that Christians who don't go to church everyday are
not Christian even though they believe in Jesus, go to lengths to
follow his teachings but they only go to church on Christmas and
Easter or for various family events.



It still begs the question - why do some here always try to find ways
to delegitimize some Jews and attack Israel?

I think this bias against Jews in particular and also with Israeli
Jews is the reason others are suspicious of the motivation especially
with the long history of unjust bias and lies disparaging Jews as a
form of genocidal religious hatred.




Read the whole article on Ashkenazis here...
http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews
Ashkenazim v'Sepharadim (in Hebrew)

Level: Basic

• There are several subgroups of Jews with different culture and traditions:
Ashkenazic: Descendants of Jews from France, Germany and Eastern Europe
Sephardic: Descendants of Jews from Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East
Mizrachi: Descendants of Jews from North Africa and the Middle East
• Other subgroups are Yemenite, Ethiopian and Oriental

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews represent two distinct subcultures of Judaism. We are all Jews and share the same basic beliefs, but there are some variations in culture and practice. It's not clear when the split began, but it has existed for more than a thousand years, because around the year 1000 C.E., Rabbi Gershom ben Judah issued an edict against polygamy that was accepted by Ashkenazim but not by Sephardim.
Who are Ashkenazic Jews?

Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s. The pages in this site are written from the Ashkenazic Jewish perspective.

=-=-=-=

or, read the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y'hudey Ashkenaz, "The Jews of Ashkenaz"), are an ethnoreligious group who trace their origins to the indigenous Hebrew speaking peoples of Canaan in South Western Asia, and settled along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north, probably during the early Middle Ages.[5]

The name Ashkenazi derives from the biblical figure of Ashkenaz, the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). In the rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[6] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[7] The Jews living in these regions associated with Ashkenaz's kingdom thus came to call themselves the Ashkenazi.[7] Later, Jews from Western and Central Europe also came to be called Ashkenazi because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany.

Many Ashkenazi Jews later migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in non German-speaking areas, including Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and elsewhere between the 11th and 19th centuries. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a High German language written using the Hebrew alphabet. It had developed in medieval times as the lingua franca among Ashkenazi Jews. The Jewish communities of three cities along the Rhine: Speyer, Worms and Mainz, created the SHUM league (SHUM after the first Hebrew letters of Shpira, Vermayza, and Magentza). The ShUM-cities are considered the cradle of the distinct Ashkenazi culture and liturgy.

i blame wild monkey sex!



http://youtu.be/TzwGfP98vGM

cougar and python
it's the jungle

a casual observance
a post in the dark

nothing to be really seen
this shadow in night

http://youtu.be/TzwGfP98vGM

if they don't delete this thread then i would call it anal retention.

i have had some unusual nicknames. one friend called me hank,
another on here called me henry - which might not seem all that
unusual except my name is not henry or hank.



i have had nicknames in foreign languages.

most of the cougars can be found hunting python in miami beach!

that's a florida panthera alright!

anal flamebait

If the videochat was good enough, yeah, why not?