I see a larger, more insidious moral issue here..we have reached the point of "enlightenment" in this country where we openly encourage, support, and almost applaud the idea of using nukes & all our military might against another society & it's population....congrats to the current administration for it's use of fear ....(in lockstep with the corporate media) ..fear to the extent that we need to "do something" against another country...for 50 yrs we lived within the mindset that Russian nukes were zeroed in on us...yet we never called out for "nuke first" ask questions later...and now we are to fear a country with no army to speak of, no navy, no air force....and no nukes in the ground ready to go?...
One 911 connection fully documented was a paper trail of money payment to one of the so called hijackers from a pakistani general...do we hear the fear drums beating about this country?...nope...course they have no oil...and are still supporting the dollar maybe...

Can any one you feel the shame from our founding fathers?...

here is your reality:
Why of course the people dont want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?..Naturally the common people dont want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany . That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country. .... Hermann Goering

and if you can still support and encourage this abomination and still call yourself christians....well what can I say except you are delusional

I'm with you Kerry.....havent voted dem or repub for years now...
desperately want a real 3rd party movement...

what the b u s h i t e s ....for crissakes ...censoritus ....

you're right alex....plus there is his family history which includes nazi connections...
people should not look at the surface of all these revelations...but look deeper
to understand what the Bu****es are really trying to do...

like Bush Sr said once "if the American people knew what the Bush's have
really doneto this coountry they would "string them up"....

yeah..no sh*t brother

personally I think we should slaughter all the babies & school kids first dont all of you?

they report that this particuliar restroom has a reputation as a
place to "find sex"...the police had a stakeout there....obviouly
this senator knew what he was looking for...creep.....

One of the most powerful groups to ever appear in world history is the middle class in America....the middle class got its power initially from the labor movement early in the 20th century thru unions thus strengthening their rights to earn a wage and move themselves up in the social ladder...thru this, the middle class could wield there own power economically & politically...to the power elite..the middle class has to vanish....the desire here is to have a 2 tier social structure...wealthy & poor....killing the trucking industry is yet another way to erode the foundation stone of the middle class....say goodbye america...we are losing by allowing this in the name of corporate enterprize...
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"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over the American political & economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more inegrated global political and economic structure--one world , if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

David Rockefeller, memoirs 2002.

they visit because they have bought our debt..like all the others have done...

been with us since the beginning


http://www.eceti.org/ufohistory.htm

youre right Redy...I am scratching my head reading the things Bush has said about
Iran this week....Bush wants war..that is obvious....congress is busy with bathroom
ethics...and america is left wondering.

d*ck

I heard he's a real ****

of course you would think that serchin...

let's see your medals...

maybe you should go here..congressional medal of honor society

here's Butlers page....

http://www.cmohs.org/medal/history_links/s_butler.htm

here is what the "elite" think about the poor in this country....I almost fell over when I read this

"In our dream, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or science. We are not to raise up from among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musciians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply.
Rockefellor Foundation Director of Charity
Advisor to John Rockefellor
Frederick Gates, 1913.

or

Ann Rand from Atlas Shrugged...”when you see that the trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing- when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors- when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws dont protect you against them, but protect them against you- when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self sacrifice- you may know that your society is doomed....Ann Rand 1905-1982

You've got to be sh*ttin me Serchin....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye," was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.
Butler was awarded the brevet medal (the highest Marine medal at its time), and subsequently the Medal of Honor twice during his career, one of only 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor. He was noted for his outspoken anti-interventionist views, and his book War Is a Racket was one of the first works describing the workings of the military-industrial complex. After retiring from service, Butler became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s. Butler came forward in 1934 and informed Congress that a group of wealthy industrialists had plotted a military coup to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

let's talk credibility....286,000 google references for smedley butler...you have to be kidding
right....who said anything about viet nam?...WTF?...Sleeping during history class apparently...
and no I didnt get it off a conspiracy site..think I heard of him first in Marine Corps boot camp....

bravo hiker....

ok philosopher...I believe 911 was a planned event perpetrated by the neocon
faction in our government possibly under direction of a more hidden cabal
of international money masters that are the real source of control and
power in america........it was our reichstag fire....

I find the governments explanation of 911 so outlandish that it is
the very definition of conspiracy theory...

timely quote: " Why of course the people dont want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?..Naturally the common people dont want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany . That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country". .... Hermann Goering.

on & on it goes...

I did serchin...and moved on from that to transcendental meditation
the hindu veda's and other studies.....recommend terrance mckenna to
anyone who may want to ponder the mind & why we do what we do...
also joseph campbell

actually I'm casting satirical light on those that cannot fathom such a thing...do I believe
that a group of radicals in caves in aphganistan shut down the most sophisticated defense
network in the world...and hijacked planes with boxcutters ...and that the only skyscrapers (and one other building) ever in history to be brought down because of fuel fire..happened on the same day within hours if not minutes of each other?.....the conspiracy theory is the governments explanation...

no need to open a debate about 911...I know your position well...