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All of that talk is great and all and to an uncivilized, uncouth person that would make perfect sense, I assure you I am neither uncivilized nor uncouth. As a matter of observation - it is entirely plausible that I am both better educated and have lived (survived in some cases) more life experiences than you have. So - all of your talk may be great and all to a person who has insufficient life experience and wisdom to understand how a group of foreign people think and react. However - since you seem fit to call me uncouth and uncivilized, you are the *exact* sort of person referenced in my second point. Please Dragoness - educate us on how you would deal with Mr. bin Laden. Please give us the roadmap for successfully dealing with hostile al Qaeda factions. Detail in specifics how you would handle the "Middle East Problem" in all it's facets. Simple answer will be - you haven't a clue where to begin - but please - entertain us with your detailed thoughts on the above items. And if you cannot put forth even a modicum effort into such, then I kindly invite you to shut the hell up. |
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"teaches its operatives to make false claims of abuse." Oh My GOD!! You mean...a terrorist might actually LIE?!?!?! How unthinkable ?!?! The horrid thought that they may actually take advantage of the nature of some ignorant people to spread divisiveness??!!? Okay - the sarcastic moment is over, my apologies Lindyy. I just get a touch frustrated with the blatant stupidity of some people who cannot get it through their very thick skulls that there are really evil people out there. Lindyy says: That is quite all okay. You may vent at any time. 
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NU I don't expect everyone to *love* America. Some times I wonder myself. HOWEVER: 1)I vote - and stay involved in my local government. So I can keep tabs on 'em! 2)I served. And personally - if you haven't done #1 - you lose any and all b*tching credibility. And if you haven't done #2 - you shouldn't knock that which you don't understand. Lindyy says; I LOVE MY COUNTRY! It is the best in the world. I am optimistic, others are pessimistic. Let them wallow in their pessimistic ways and hatred.
Lindyy
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Edited by
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whoops
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Edited by
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Wed 03/19/08 02:29 PM
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Disaronno, some of the posters here are just that, posters and imposters, i agree i would love to see some of the commie lovers and peaceniks in allah land, they didnt care for the russians either. if these people care so little as their posts proclaim i for one sure wish they would leave america, they only see want they want to so they can inflame the public with their outragious garbage, AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.......... please leave!!!!! MAKE ME LEAVE
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Well - will likely stir up the hornet's nest here..but what the 'ell.... First - does a person from Canada need U.S. permission to travel to a known terrorist area? of course not. Does a person from Canada need permission from U.S. to *be* in a known terrorist area? Of course not. However - if such person - Canadian or otherwise - find themselves in the middle of a group of people who toss grenades at U.S. soldiers (or any other soldiers)you ought to expect to be treated harshly. It matters not if you threw the grenade or not - you were 'with' the people who did. Call it unjust if you like, but you should be thankful they didn't fill the area with flying lead first and ask questions later. Second - and this is the part I love - *IF* you think you have 'the way' to reason and talk with wonderful folks such as Al Qaeda - please come forth. Enlighten us. Please. I would be happy to even pay your travel. Because if you can ever remove yourself from your own Camelot, you will find there are some people who ONLY understand talk, AFTER they understand the fact you will kill them, and all whom they know. I am sorry that this sounds harsh and cold-blooded or 'war-mongering' but there are those in the world that equate 'pacifist' with "easy target" Now - do I condone out and out medieval style torture. No, I do not. Beating or hurting someone will only produce mediocre information at best. The best information comes from letting someone torture themselves with fear, doubt, uncertainty. And I can do *wonderful* things with your mind, once I have control of you. Now - to all those that are squeamish to play dirty - hey, you do have that right, and I don't expect you to. But kindly use some of that 'higher understanding' you claim to have, and understand this: There are people there who will kill you just because you are white, or American, or just not one of them, take your pick. Don't believe it? Take a look at the New York sky line. There are also people who form that line between you and the really evil people - who give the bad guys a reason to pause. A reason to stop. And provide the strength of arms and resolve of will to force them to stop, if needed. So use your "higher wisdom' to understand this, and stop bashing them continuously as if you are some pious being. Personally - I would like to send most of the 'give peace a chance-niks' send them by plane load to wonderful spots like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and the like. See how you fare for a year on your own, devoid of any American military assistance that you constantly bash. Keep in mind you were opposed to any sort of force or torture, and that you feel you can 'reason' with them. The ones you meet won't have any problem with torture, rape, defiling your religion or you. Enjoy. personally you sound like a pinko commy since you only believe those who think like you have rights. |
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Disaronno, some of the posters here are just that, posters and imposters, i agree i would love to see some of the commie lovers and peaceniks in allah land, they didnt care for the russians either. if these people care so little as their posts proclaim i for one sure wish they would leave america, they only see want they want to so they can inflame the public with their outragious garbage, AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.......... please leave!!!!! the love it or leave it crap is just immature posturing.soldiers fight for our freedoms one of which is free speech..the constitution just doesn't cover you because you are pro war. i have respect for all vets and soldiers but i hate that love it or leave it mantra. |
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Edited by
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MMkay....i understand what is being said. And trust me i am no fear monger. But disaronno has a point in that the kid was hanging out with terrorists during an attack. There is little to no chance in hell he is innocent. And once again, I will not attack Dragoness's point of view for the simple fact that it is an admirable one. There is nothing wrong with standing up for anyone's rights. But having fought an enemy and having met terrorists (not just insurgents but real multi-million dollar bounty terrorists) i have a hard time sympathizing with him. We can, and should, for the most part, hold ourselves to higher standards. But to give anyone special treatment for mistreatment is wrong. As is harshly dealing with those that might have slipped up. (I emphasize CERTAIN situations) In certain situations it is easy and while we do need to execise limitations, honest people may overstep these limitations. The accused (or about to be accused) is still the enemy. We do have to be harsh to them sometimes. It is the law of animals. While we are more civilized than animals sometimes in order to deal with them, we have to speak their language. Even when detaining someone, if they are physically fighting you, a soldier can only take so many blows to the face. You have to hit back. Hurt him just enough to get him to cooperate. This is why you have to be a little calloused in life and death situations or you will never survive. Those that do not struggle and/or pose a threat get treated very humanely. Its called escalation of force. But Drogoness i understand that people can learn a lot from your outlook. Some can learn a lot from those that have to deal with cartain evils themselves as well. In the end we should strive for wisdom.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Hence our 1st amendment... 
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personally you sound like a pinko commy since you only believe those who think like you have rights. And where pray tell - in the posting I made - did I mention that you do not have any rights if you do not believe as I do? Again, you show blatant ignorance by spouting off with no substance behind what you say. Matter of fact - I distinctly read the following in my post: *IF* you think you have 'the way' to reason and talk with wonderful folks such as Al Qaeda - please come forth. Enlighten us. Please. I would be happy to even pay your travel. Funny - doesn't look like I am saying you don't have a right to different viewpoint. Matter of fact - it seems as though I am inviting those with 'the answer' to put it forth. Although it admittedly demonstrates some level of frustration with ignorants who spew idiocies such as "you are a pinko commy" when they cannot demonstrate that they have a clue as to what they speak about. Are you perhaps upset that I surmise there to be evil people in this world that would, given the chance, torture you? Defile both you as a person, and your religion in many and varied ways? That some of these people would love nothing better than to remove all your freedoms and replace them with a theocracy, naturally with themselves as the appointed leader? This troubles you? Perhaps it should. Please - point out specifically what I said that is incorrect, and be detailed in your answer on why it is wrong. Please (see..said that please word again) enlighten the unwashed masses you choose to call "pinko commy' Seems to me, you are irate when someone challenges your free speech with "Love it or Leave it" but you deride me when I choose to exercise mine. HHHmm...wait..is that not part of the definition of 'Pinko Commy' ??? Simply put again - you are capable of no more than ignorant rudimentary responses - and incapable of writing out a coherent well-reasoned argument for your position. Thank you for demonstrating such. |
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lol give me a break.
You can't trust your elected representatives to tell the truth but you fully trust the word of a captured terrorist. That is pathetic. The guy killed a US Servicemember in Afghanistan and you are treating him like a saint who would never ever dare tell a lie, though would gladly seek to kill US servicemembers in a foreign land and most likely did kill at least one, probably assisted in killing more. |
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lol give me a break. You can't trust your elected representatives to tell the truth but you fully trust the word of a captured terrorist. That is pathetic. The guy killed a US Servicemember in Afghanistan and you are treating him like a saint who would never ever dare tell a lie, though would gladly seek to kill US servicemembers in a foreign land and most likely did kill at least one, probably assisted in killing more.
Ya know - had not thought of it on that angle - but
Point Set Match. Nice! |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Wed 03/19/08 03:34 PM
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All of that talk is great and all and to an uncivilized, uncouth person that would make perfect sense, I assure you I am neither uncivilized nor uncouth. As a matter of observation - it is entirely plausible that I am both better educated and have lived (survived in some cases) more life experiences than you have. So - all of your talk may be great and all to a person who has insufficient life experience and wisdom to understand how a group of foreign people think and react. However - since you seem fit to call me uncouth and uncivilized, you are the *exact* sort of person referenced in my second point. Please Dragoness - educate us on how you would deal with Mr. bin Laden. Please give us the roadmap for successfully dealing with hostile al Qaeda factions. Detail in specifics how you would handle the "Middle East Problem" in all it's facets. Simple answer will be - you haven't a clue where to begin - but please - entertain us with your detailed thoughts on the above items. And if you cannot put forth even a modicum effort into such, then I kindly invite you to shut the hell up. Okay dealing with bin laden, you want me to go there? FIRST OFF I WOULD NOT HAVE ATTACKED IRAQ AND OCCUPIED IRAQ FOR BIN LADEN AS HE WASN'T THERE, second, so torture is the only way you see to deal with extremists, is this what you are telling me? And I am the uneducated one.  
Like I have said before and I will say again, we have processes to deal with GUILTY INDIVIDUALS WHO PERPETRATE CRIMES, outside of the guilty people we HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO TORTURE THEM for what ever reason you give. None of what you say makes it right. I don't care who the hell you are talking about. We are civilized people we are not animals and should never lower ourselves to animal tactics to acheive some illusive goal. |
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Disaronno, some of the posters here are just that, posters and imposters, i agree i would love to see some of the commie lovers and peaceniks in allah land, they didnt care for the russians either. if these people care so little as their posts proclaim i for one sure wish they would leave america, they only see want they want to so they can inflame the public with their outragious garbage, AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.......... please leave!!!!! MAKE ME LEAVE
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Well - will likely stir up the hornet's nest here..but what the 'ell.... First - does a person from Canada need U.S. permission to travel to a known terrorist area? of course not. Does a person from Canada need permission from U.S. to *be* in a known terrorist area? Of course not. However - if such person - Canadian or otherwise - find themselves in the middle of a group of people who toss grenades at U.S. soldiers (or any other soldiers)you ought to expect to be treated harshly. It matters not if you threw the grenade or not - you were 'with' the people who did. Call it unjust if you like, but you should be thankful they didn't fill the area with flying lead first and ask questions later. Second - and this is the part I love - *IF* you think you have 'the way' to reason and talk with wonderful folks such as Al Qaeda - please come forth. Enlighten us. Please. I would be happy to even pay your travel. Because if you can ever remove yourself from your own Camelot, you will find there are some people who ONLY understand talk, AFTER they understand the fact you will kill them, and all whom they know. I am sorry that this sounds harsh and cold-blooded or 'war-mongering' but there are those in the world that equate 'pacifist' with "easy target" Now - do I condone out and out medieval style torture. No, I do not. Beating or hurting someone will only produce mediocre information at best. The best information comes from letting someone torture themselves with fear, doubt, uncertainty. And I can do *wonderful* things with your mind, once I have control of you. Now - to all those that are squeamish to play dirty - hey, you do have that right, and I don't expect you to. But kindly use some of that 'higher understanding' you claim to have, and understand this: There are people there who will kill you just because you are white, or American, or just not one of them, take your pick. Don't believe it? Take a look at the New York sky line. There are also people who form that line between you and the really evil people - who give the bad guys a reason to pause. A reason to stop. And provide the strength of arms and resolve of will to force them to stop, if needed. So use your "higher wisdom' to understand this, and stop bashing them continuously as if you are some pious being. Personally - I would like to send most of the 'give peace a chance-niks' send them by plane load to wonderful spots like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and the like. See how you fare for a year on your own, devoid of any American military assistance that you constantly bash. Keep in mind you were opposed to any sort of force or torture, and that you feel you can 'reason' with them. The ones you meet won't have any problem with torture, rape, defiling your religion or you. Enjoy. personally you sound like a pinko commy since you only believe those who think like you have rights.
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I do not understand this willingness in our country to become gutteral animals because there are terrorist in the world Terrorists have been doing what they do for a long long time and will continue to do what they do long after we are gone. We are not changing anything by our psuedo war on terror. We are not changing anything by becoming like them.
Terrorists would cease to exist. Our military is being held on such a short leash it is pathetic. The rules of engagement for our troops should be laughable but it is getting them killed. The only problem I have with the entire War On Terror is.....it is not a war. It is a police action. The military is not a "keeper of the peace". That is a job for the police. A military does one thing and that is destroy an enemy to the point that it's enemy is either decimated or eliminated. It is an ugly thing that they do but that is their purpose. Our soldiers are dying every day because they are limited in what they can and cannot do in the face of mortal danger. Their commanders second guess every decision because they are worried how it will be portrayed on television by some hack in a suit or by an overzealous Congressional jackass. So a terror suspect was threatened with rape. Big whooptee friggin' doo. I'd threaten him with being skinned alive and dipped in vat of salt if it worked. If I were told that by hooking a terrorists nuts up to a car battery would save one US soldier's life do you know what my response would be? Red is positive and black is negative. The muslim states have been warring for thousands of years. What makes anyone think that they want to be "understood" or want to "sit down and discuss" their views with us? Only a complete idiot would presume such things and, unfortunately, we have plenty of those in our own Congress. A few neutron weapons dropped into strategic areas would not bother me in the least. |
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Okay dealing with bin laden, you want me to go there? FIRST OFF I WOULD NOT HAVE ATTACKED IRAQ AND OCCUPIED IRAQ FOR BIN LADEN AS HE WASN'T THERE, second, so torture is the only way you see to deal with extremists, is this what you are telling me? Wow..what a well reasoned response. I asked how you would deal with bin Laden, and you spout out about Iraq. I am sure he is put firmly and decisively in his place by your refusal to invade Iraq. I am sure that thundering denouncement would put fear into his mortal soul. 
Try again - this time try engaging a brain cell or two. But..since you brought it forth...please...tell us..**IN DETAIL** (notice..I said in detail..that means..lay out a plan..a well-reasoned complete course of action) how you would deal with the extremists groups, such as Al Qaeda. Don't prevaricate - don't spout a two sentence line of drivel - either lay out a plan - or admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about. |
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Disaronno, some of the posters here are just that, posters and imposters, i agree i would love to see some of the commie lovers and peaceniks in allah land, they didnt care for the russians either. if these people care so little as their posts proclaim i for one sure wish they would leave america, they only see want they want to so they can inflame the public with their outragious garbage, AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.......... please leave!!!!! the love it or leave it crap is just immature posturing.soldiers fight for our freedoms one of which is free speech..the constitution just doesn't cover you because you are pro war. i have respect for all vets and soldiers but i hate that love it or leave it mantra. True
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Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
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