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Edited by
Starsailor2851
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Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Who do you want to educate the mass of the people though, the ever expanding government through the socialist, I mean public education system? Or, the internet media that has a distorted agenda often full of hidden people, evil goal driven people behind the scenes? If I hear one more time that our liberties are being taken from us, not specificially aiming at you, I will ask again and again where have they and what are they? I have not lost one, and the only one that is threatened being taken is my right to defend myself. These rights being taken away from by so-called liberals who like to act like they are wrapped in the Constituion to protect it. |
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MMkay....i understand what is being said. And trust me i am no fear monger. But disaronno has a point in that the kid was hanging out with terrorists during an attack. There is little to no chance in hell he is innocent. And once again, I will not attack Dragoness's point of view for the simple fact that it is an admirable one. There is nothing wrong with standing up for anyone's rights. But having fought an enemy and having met terrorists (not just insurgents but real multi-million dollar bounty terrorists) i have a hard time sympathizing with him. We can, and should, for the most part, hold ourselves to higher standards. But to give anyone special treatment for mistreatment is wrong. As is harshly dealing with those that might have slipped up. (I emphasize CERTAIN situations) In certain situations it is easy and while we do need to execise limitations, honest people may overstep these limitations. The accused (or about to be accused) is still the enemy. We do have to be harsh to them sometimes. It is the law of animals. While we are more civilized than animals sometimes in order to deal with them, we have to speak their language. Even when detaining someone, if they are physically fighting you, a soldier can only take so many blows to the face. You have to hit back. Hurt him just enough to get him to cooperate. This is why you have to be a little calloused in life and death situations or you will never survive. Those that do not struggle and/or pose a threat get treated very humanely. Its called escalation of force. But Drogoness i understand that people can learn a lot from your outlook. Some can learn a lot from those that have to deal with cartain evils themselves as well. In the end we should strive for wisdom. Drivin  I do understand controlling prisoners who are on trial for a crime, detained after being convicted of a crime, etc.... The torture that is being perpetrated is before people are even charged with any crime, before they are given due process. I am sorry but we are above that type of action in this country.
We can intelligently obtain intel without torture, we are a very advanced nation. One should not say because others are animalistic or barbaric in their methods that is a signal for us to resort to the same. We should not even be having this debate in this country. America is my home and I represent it and the military and world actions we do represent me, we are one and I will not stand quietly by as we are portrayed or are tyrants of torture and illegal activities. I will not stand for it. |
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. adj Amen!!!
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Or, it needs the people of weak mind and supposed 'educated mind', to be young and impressionable, and able to be sold sensationalist claims to guide them towards the path of servitude. |
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Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Who do you want to educate the mass of the people though, the ever expanding government through the socialist, I mean public education system? Or, the internet media that has a distorted agenda often full of hidden people, evil goal driven people behind the scenes? If I hear one more time that our liberties are being taken from us, not specificially aiming at you, I will ask again and again where have they and what are they? I have not lost one, and the only one that is threatened being taken is my right to defend myself. These rights being taken away from by so-called liberals who like to act like they are wrapped in the Constituion to protect it. welll sailor that is a Thomas Jefferson quote so maybe all those you do not want to hear maybe right after all it has been a while since he was here 
 <<<----they are watching
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Or, it needs the people of weak mind and supposed 'educated mind', to be young and impressionable, and able to be sold sensationalist claims to guide them towards the path of servitude. another Thomas Jefferson quote keep it up 
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Information is the currency of democracy.
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Since Dragoness your attention span seems to be quite short - and relegated to participating in your little fan club there, than in true debate, let me remind you of the questions posed to you:
Please Dragoness - educate us on how you would deal with Mr. bin Laden. Please give us the roadmap for successfully dealing with hostile al Qaeda factions. Detail in specifics how you would handle the "Middle East Problem" in all it's facets. Simple answer will be - you haven't a clue where to begin - but please - entertain us with your detailed thoughts on the above items. And if you cannot put forth even a modicum effort into such, then I kindly invite you to shut the hell up. And once again - a well-reasoned encompassing response. Not the two sentence nonsensical drivel you have thus far promulgated. Form out an entire plan - start to finish. So far..all I have seen is fan worship and banalities. I am especially interested in seeing your response on how to deal with the hostile Al Qaeda group(s) without getting your hands dirty. |
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Or, it needs the people of weak mind and supposed 'educated mind', to be young and impressionable, and able to be sold sensationalist claims to guide them towards the path of servitude. another Thomas Jefferson quote keep it up
Have you ever read Friedrich Hayek's "Road to Serfdom"? If not, I suggest you do. Great work of literature. |
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Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.
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Okay dealing with bin laden, you want me to go there? FIRST OFF I WOULD NOT HAVE ATTACKED IRAQ AND OCCUPIED IRAQ FOR BIN LADEN AS HE WASN'T THERE, second, so torture is the only way you see to deal with extremists, is this what you are telling me? Wow..what a well reasoned response. I asked how you would deal with bin Laden, and you spout out about Iraq. I am sure he is put firmly and decisively in his place by your refusal to invade Iraq. I am sure that thundering denouncement would put fear into his mortal soul. 
Try again - this time try engaging a brain cell or two. But..since you brought it forth...please...tell us..**IN DETAIL** (notice..I said in detail..that means..lay out a plan..a well-reasoned complete course of action) how you would deal with the extremists groups, such as Al Qaeda. Don't prevaricate - don't spout a two sentence line of drivel - either lay out a plan - or admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about. LMAO, for one, who the hell are you??? I am not getting all of this "education" feeling from you, nor understanding why you should be superior to me at any level. 
Second, If I was going to get bin laden who was not in Iraq, I would not have invaded and occupied Iraq. Third, torture is not a have to on our part. There is no reason to torture other than to be animalistic, barbaric and tyrannic. Fourth, getting bin laden would have required that we go into Afghanistan and hunt him down. Not invade Iraq and make it sound like Saddam was a good surrogate for bin laden and then carry out a hunt for Saddam.
You can keep all your "intelligence"  to yourself because really all it is warmongering, fearmongering and hate above all else.  The world already has too much of all of that thanks to baby shrub and his dictatorial style of running this here democracy.
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Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations. You are sooooo cute even when you are being facetious
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lol give me a break.
You can't trust your elected representatives to tell the truth but you fully trust the word of a captured terrorist. That is pathetic. The guy killed a US Servicemember in Afghanistan and you are treating him like a saint who would never ever dare tell a lie, though would gladly seek to kill US servicemembers in a foreign land and most likely did kill at least one, probably assisted in killing more. |
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Edited by
Disaronno
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Wed 03/19/08 05:46 PM
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Ahh..I would be the one you considered "uncouth" and "uneducated"
Who - thanks in a very large part to your ignorant posts devoid of any rationalizations or detail, has demonstrated to have a better understanding of how things *really* work, than the Camelot world you live in. So - let's review your comments: Don't invade Iraq, because bin Laden isn't there. Okaaayy...So now Saddam is still in power, bin Laden has a convenient haven besides Afghanistan if needed, and the UN - who voted under proper procedures to sanction Iraq - is proved to be irrelevant because they can do nothing to enforce any decree. Wow - you are doing good so far. So - by your post below - invade Afghanistan instead. Very good. Do you plan to ask permission of the sovereign territory, or just go right in? Let me help you - they will refuse. So now you order the troops in, and now are in fact, a war criminal. Both the U.N. and International Tribunal would hold you accountable for the invasion of a foreign country . Great job ! Torture - well tell me - do you think that foreign operatives are going to give up their secrets if we just ask nicely? Or that they will just give up because we caught them, fair and square "Oh, sorry...you got me, I was the grenade thrower. Nice job there" Now - for the 'fear-mongering, war-mongering' I again ask - please tell me where I am wrong. Please explain how you effectively reason with people who want to kill you. And that isn't 'fear-mongering' it is the unvarnished truth. How many lives were ended in the Towers and on the planes ? I don't see you crying piteously about the removal of their life and liberty, or the torture they went through - being taken hostage. How many lives were ended on USS Cole ? Beruit ? Lebanon ? How many soldier returning from multiple tours in Iraq are ending their lives because they cannot cope with the aftermath ? I will tell you 'who the hell' I am. Someone who has a much better understanding of the Middle East people than you do. Because I have been there, and because I studied the history, back before the times of the Crusades. Because I took the time to learn - not just parrot b.s. out of my local papers and cut/paste from Internet sites. Sure - you have a right to an opinion. And I have the right to state that your opinion is brown, squishy, stinks and is good only for fertilizer. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Wed 03/19/08 05:54 PM
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lol give me a break. You can't trust your elected representatives to tell the truth but you fully trust the word of a captured terrorist. That is pathetic. The guy killed a US Servicemember in Afghanistan and you are treating him like a saint who would never ever dare tell a lie, though would gladly seek to kill US servicemembers in a foreign land and most likely did kill at least one, probably assisted in killing more. This bothers me- the only enemy combatant who could have thrown the grenade that fatally wounded Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer, 28, of Albuquerque, N.M., in a firefight near Khost, Afghanistan. Enemy combatant, and during a firefight!! Forget that he does not or did not fight with an American uniform on, and what you have is an enemy soldier involved in a military firefight against the enemy. An enemy, which it just so happens, is America! By your's, and America's definition, all American soldiers are murders! Bullshet,I wont buy it! Why dont you take your young, over-privledged, loud-mouthed,brainwashed opinion, put on a uniform and go fight. You are another example, IMO, why we need a draft! So over-privledged morons like you can sacrifice as much as the truly Patriotic!! You spout off with propoganda dribble and then proclaim you havent lost any rights. As if you did anything to gain that rite!!
You know nothing!! STFU, FOOL!! |
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Edited by
Starsailor2851
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Wed 03/19/08 05:58 PM
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lol give me a break. You can't trust your elected representatives to tell the truth but you fully trust the word of a captured terrorist. That is pathetic. The guy killed a US Servicemember in Afghanistan and you are treating him like a saint who would never ever dare tell a lie, though would gladly seek to kill US servicemembers in a foreign land and most likely did kill at least one, probably assisted in killing more. This bothers me- the only enemy combatant who could have thrown the grenade that fatally wounded Sgt. 1st Class Christopher Speer, 28, of Albuquerque, N.M., in a firefight near Khost, Afghanistan. Enemy combatant, and during a firefight!! Forget that he does not or did not fight with an American uniform on, and what you have is an enemy soldier involved in a military firefight against the enemy. An enemy, which it just so happens, is America! By your's, and America's definition, all American soldiers are murders! Bullshet,I wont buy it! Why dont you take your young, over-privledged, loud-mouthed,brainwashed opinion, put on a uniform and go fight. You are another example, IMO, why we need a draft! So over-privledged morons like you can sacrifice as much as the truly Patriotic!! You spout off with propoganda dribble and then proclaim you havent lost any rights. As if you did anything to gain that rite!!
You know nothing!! STFU, FOOL!! You are defending the man who killed a US servicemember or at the very least was in the exact vicinity and linked to it, and are deeming him incredibly credible. That's all that needs to be said to that. Nice job resorting to vulgarities and name calling. Really adds to your argument there. Enough said. |
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As if you did anything to gain that rite!! Oh, so now we have to earn the rights granted to us by the Constitution to all US citizens? Or, are you just saying that those you despise, so much so you would result to vulgarities and name-calling, must do something to earn the rights granted to us? |
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Nice job resorting to vulgarities and name calling. Really adds to your argument there.
Enough said. Not needed in the argument!
You're youth and inexperience, combined with an all knowing attitude of conceit screams,,,, I am a loudmouthed, green behind the ears, speaking out my ass CHILD!!! Put down the indoctrination manual, go learn first-hand knowledge, then come back and speak!!
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As if you did anything to gain that rite!! Oh, so now we have to earn the rights granted to us by the Constitution to all US citizens? Or, are you just saying that those you despise, so much so you would result to vulgarities and name-calling, must do something to earn the rights granted to us? Ha, ha, Yes,,,,,,, 
Someone did!!!!
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Nice job resorting to vulgarities and name calling. Really adds to your argument there. Enough said. Not needed in the argument!
You're youth and inexperience, combined with an all knowing attitude of conceit screams,,,, I am a loudmouthed, green behind the ears, speaking out my ass CHILD!!! Put down the indoctrination manual, go learn first-hand knowledge, then come back and speak!!
What purpose does anything you just said add to the debate? You are purposely refraining from sticking to the topic to lead a personal attack campaign. This is directly against the rules of the site, and makes it all the more humorous that you are using vulgarities, name-calling, and attempting to degrade someone you declared a "child". The fact that you adorned your post in smileys as well, at your 'wise' age, really is unusual as well. |
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