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I dont want to treat the guy with kid gloves 
Just justly!!!! Is that a word?.......judicially 
By the same set of rules. Why blur the borders??
Justice's blindfold is slipping. |
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I know you've heard of the Doolittle Raiders?
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Edited by
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Yup. Rings a bell.
Just refreshed memory. As remembered the 'one way' Tokyo Raid. |
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Read this;
On 19 October 1942, the Japanese announced that they had tried the eight men and sentenced them to death, but that several of them had received commutation of their sentences to life imprisonment. No names or details were included in the broadcast. Japanese propaganda ridiculed the raid, calling it the "Do-nothing Raid," and boasted that several B-25s had been shot down. In fact, none had been lost to hostile action. After the war, the complete story of the two missing crews was uncovered in a war crimes trial held in Shanghai. The trial opened in February 1946 to try four Japanese officers for mistreatment of the eight captured crewmen. Two of the missing crewmen, Sgt. William J. Dieter and Cpl. Donald E. Fitzmaurice, had died when their B-25 crashed off the coast of China. The other eight, Lieutenants Dean E. Hallmark, Robert J. Meder, Chase J. Nielsen, William G. Farrow, Robert L. Hite, and George Barr; and Corporals Harold A. Spatz and Jacob DeShazer were captured. In addition to being tortured and starved, these men contracted dysentery and beriberi as a result of the poor conditions under which they were confined. On 28 August 1942, pilot Hallmark, pilot Farrow and gunner Spatz were given a mock trial by the Japanese, although the airmen were never told the charges against them. On 14 October 1942, these three crewmen were advised that they were to be executed the next day. At 16:30 on 15 October 1942, the three were taken by truck to Public Cemetery Number 1 outside of Shanghai and put before a firing squad. The other five captured airmen remained in military confinement on a starvation diet, their health rapidly deteriorating. In April 1943, they were moved to Nanking where, on 1 December 1943, Meder died. The remaining four men (Nielsen, Hite, Barr and DeShazer) eventually began receiving slightly better treatment from their captors and were even given a copy of the Bible and a few other books. They survived until they were freed by American troops in August 1945. The four Japanese officers who were tried for war crimes against the eight Doolittle Raiders were all found guilty. Sounds familiar...aye? 
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Read this; On 19 October 1942, the Japanese announced that they had tried the eight men and sentenced them to death, but that several of them had received commutation of their sentences to life imprisonment. No names or details were included in the broadcast. Japanese propaganda ridiculed the raid, calling it the "Do-nothing Raid," and boasted that several B-25s had been shot down. In fact, none had been lost to hostile action. After the war, the complete story of the two missing crews was uncovered in a war crimes trial held in Shanghai. The trial opened in February 1946 to try four Japanese officers for mistreatment of the eight captured crewmen. Two of the missing crewmen, Sgt. William J. Dieter and Cpl. Donald E. Fitzmaurice, had died when their B-25 crashed off the coast of China. The other eight, Lieutenants Dean E. Hallmark, Robert J. Meder, Chase J. Nielsen, William G. Farrow, Robert L. Hite, and George Barr; and Corporals Harold A. Spatz and Jacob DeShazer were captured. In addition to being tortured and starved, these men contracted dysentery and beriberi as a result of the poor conditions under which they were confined. On 28 August 1942, pilot Hallmark, pilot Farrow and gunner Spatz were given a mock trial by the Japanese, although the airmen were never told the charges against them. On 14 October 1942, these three crewmen were advised that they were to be executed the next day. At 16:30 on 15 October 1942, the three were taken by truck to Public Cemetery Number 1 outside of Shanghai and put before a firing squad. The other five captured airmen remained in military confinement on a starvation diet, their health rapidly deteriorating. In April 1943, they were moved to Nanking where, on 1 December 1943, Meder died. The remaining four men (Nielsen, Hite, Barr and DeShazer) eventually began receiving slightly better treatment from their captors and were even given a copy of the Bible and a few other books. They survived until they were freed by American troops in August 1945. The four Japanese officers who were tried for war crimes against the eight Doolittle Raiders were all found guilty. Sounds familiar...aye?
Now you'll just get told that comparing the few things that are done at Guantanamo to the evils of Imperial Japan isn't comparable. Look at all the atrocities committed by Japan. Not the same at all. |
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Not in numbers but this trial, (Soldiers tried for murder), was decried by us and the world as wrong!
It was later tried as a war crime; The four Japanese officers who were tried for war crimes against the eight Doolittle Raiders were all found guilty. The Americans were tried, tortured for intell, and several of them were executed before a firing squad. Everyone can and will, agree this was atrocious. Yet are too willing to turn a blind-eye, when it is we who do the same. Sounds like someone doesnt play fair. They are also hypocrits! |
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Wrong =border= right??
wrong is wrong! (IMO) 
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wrong (rông, rŏng)
adj. b. Unfair; unjust. 5. Not in accord with established usage, method, or procedure: the wrong way to shuck hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏkrĭ-sē) n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies 1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. |
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Edited by
karmafury
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Wed 03/19/08 11:01 PM
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Not in numbers but this trial, (Soldiers tried for murder), was decried by us and the world as wrong! It was later tried as a war crime; The four Japanese officers who were tried for war crimes against the eight Doolittle Raiders were all found guilty. The Americans were tried, tortured for intell, and several of them were executed before a firing squad. Everyone can and will, agree this was atrocious. Yet are too willing to turn a blind-eye, when it is we who do the same. Sounds like someone doesnt play fair. They are also hypocrits! The victors make the rules. The victors can also change the rules .......... when suitable. Hypocrisy !!!!! |
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I'm glad there are some civilised and free thinking people on the planet.
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a.-The pot calling the kettle blck
b.-the school yard bully c.-George Bush, or d.-Elvis! Which one doesnt belong in the above group! 
Its okay to say the name. 
I like Elvis too!!!
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a.-The pot calling the kettle blck b.-the school yard bully c.-George Bush, or d.-Elvis! Which one doesnt belong in the above group!
Its okay to say the name.
I like Elvis too!!!
Oh! Oh! Oh! I know! I Know! Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm Elvis. |
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Did you find out the nationality of the UN soldiers in Kosovo?
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Did you find out the nationality of the UN soldiers in Kosovo? All I have found so far is some U.S., U.K. and various others. Haven't been able to find more. Still can't remember that link for current CAF UN ops. |
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Im going to bed!
Peace Brother
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Peace Bro
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Fanta;
Okay - been rereading your posts to Sailor there...few times through. So - you are bothered not by the fact that this young Canadian is about to be put on trial - but because it will be a civilian trial vs. a more appropriate military tribunal / Courts Martial ? The Courts Martial being more appropriate - since he was picked up acting as a combatant, not a refugee of battle, or civilian. (btw - for those who don't know - there is distinct classes of this. Long and short - if you moving with and assisting a fighting unit during a battle - you *are* a combatant. If you are acting independent of any/all units - you *may* be a non-combatant - depending upon your actions. Captured combatants are POWs, all others - again, depends on your actions when captured.) If so - can see your point and agree - but that point wasn't exactly clear in some of your posts to Sailor. |
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I do read with an open mind, perhaps others do not. I do not believe the individual's story to begin with. Therefore, I have no feelings of pity for him. He is getting what he deserves. That is a US soldier he killed. Guess that does not bother you, but it bothers me. Again, you forget what the enemy has done to US military. How can you even say one word in their defense? Shame on you. Lindyy By calling this man a murderer then it is you who is calling all soldiers murders! I take offense to that! Fanta: Go tell your propaganda to the terrorists. I am sure they will appreciate your anti-America attitude. I have taken a lot of offense to numerous things you have posted. Lindyy |
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Read this; On 19 October 1942, the Japanese announced that they had tried the eight men and sentenced them to death, but that several of them had received commutation of their sentences to life imprisonment. No names or details were included in the broadcast. Japanese propaganda ridiculed the raid, calling it the "Do-nothing Raid," and boasted that several B-25s had been shot down. In fact, none had been lost to hostile action. After the war, the complete story of the two missing crews was uncovered in a war crimes trial held in Shanghai. The trial opened in February 1946 to try four Japanese officers for mistreatment of the eight captured crewmen. Two of the missing crewmen, Sgt. William J. Dieter and Cpl. Donald E. Fitzmaurice, had died when their B-25 crashed off the coast of China. The other eight, Lieutenants Dean E. Hallmark, Robert J. Meder, Chase J. Nielsen, William G. Farrow, Robert L. Hite, and George Barr; and Corporals Harold A. Spatz and Jacob DeShazer were captured. In addition to being tortured and starved, these men contracted dysentery and beriberi as a result of the poor conditions under which they were confined. On 28 August 1942, pilot Hallmark, pilot Farrow and gunner Spatz were given a mock trial by the Japanese, although the airmen were never told the charges against them. On 14 October 1942, these three crewmen were advised that they were to be executed the next day. At 16:30 on 15 October 1942, the three were taken by truck to Public Cemetery Number 1 outside of Shanghai and put before a firing squad. The other five captured airmen remained in military confinement on a starvation diet, their health rapidly deteriorating. In April 1943, they were moved to Nanking where, on 1 December 1943, Meder died. The remaining four men (Nielsen, Hite, Barr and DeShazer) eventually began receiving slightly better treatment from their captors and were even given a copy of the Bible and a few other books. They survived until they were freed by American troops in August 1945. The four Japanese officers who were tried for war crimes against the eight Doolittle Raiders were all found guilty. Sounds familiar...aye?
Now you'll just get told that comparing the few things that are done at Guantanamo to the evils of Imperial Japan isn't comparable. Look at all the atrocities committed by Japan. Not the same at all. actually it is correct they are not the same the us airmen were in a uniform and part of an identified national armed force thus protected a terrorist group is not part of a national force thus the rules are different not defending nor condemning just pointing out what should be obvious |
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I do read with an open mind, perhaps others do not. I do not believe the individual's story to begin with. Therefore, I have no feelings of pity for him. He is getting what he deserves. That is a US soldier he killed. Guess that does not bother you, but it bothers me. Again, you forget what the enemy has done to US military. How can you even say one word in their defense? Shame on you. Lindyy By calling this man a murderer then it is you who is calling all soldiers murders! I take offense to that! Fanta: Go tell your propaganda to the terrorists. I am sure they will appreciate your anti-America attitude. I have taken a lot of offense to numerous things you have posted. Lindyy Fanta ia a veteran who fought for his country proudly. |
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