Topic: Gitmo Captive: I Was Threatened With Rape
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Wed 03/19/08 06:12 PM



As if you did anything to gain that rite!!


Oh, so now we have to earn the rights granted to us by the Constitution to all US citizens? Or, are you just saying that those you despise, so much so you would result to vulgarities and name-calling, must do something to earn the rights granted to us?



Ha, ha,

Yes,,,,,,,:angry:
Someone did!!!!drinker


So, in other words, I am not a full US citizens and do not have all the rights of a full US citizen, in your opinion? Would you like to strip a few of the rights granted at birth away from me? I mean, why not, I don't deserve them right?

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Wed 03/19/08 06:22 PM
Well,

Since you cant seem to understand anything unless its told to you or you read it some where, I'll tell you!

This man/ boy, should legally be held as a POW, not a criminal.
If you charge him as a murderer, then every man that picks up a weapon to defend, and puts his life on the line for a cause he believes in, whatever that cause may be, then you open the possibility of every soldier in the world being tried in the same manner.
Though it is unfortunate that this SGT was killed in combat, it was not murder!

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Wed 03/19/08 06:31 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 03/19/08 06:33 PM
So, in other words, I am not a full US citizens and do not have all the rights of a full US citizen, in your opinion? Would you like to strip a few of the rights granted at birth away from me? I mean, why not, I don't deserve them right?

No, but I do think you should have been spanked more as a child, and taught not to engage in conversation about something, without knowledge in that particular genre...

Ive read you on here before,
and I must say,
It is with a heavy sadness
that a country as great as ours
as produced so many mindless young people!

Lindyy's photo
Wed 03/19/08 06:56 PM

Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.



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What else can I say?

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:

Lindyy's photo
Wed 03/19/08 07:00 PM

Well,

Since you cant seem to understand anything unless its told to you or you read it some where, I'll tell you!

This man/ boy, should legally be held as a POW, not a criminal.
If you charge him as a murderer, then every man that picks up a weapon to defend, and puts his life on the line for a cause he believes in, whatever that cause may be, then you open the possibility of every soldier in the world being tried in the same manner.
Though it is unfortunate that this SGT was killed in combat, it was not murder!


LIndyy says:

Then pray tell, what was it???? Have you forgotten what John McCain and all the other POWs of Viet Nam went through??????
Have you forgotten all the beheadings of Americans and our allies since 9/11???????????

Thanks for nothing fanta. I am sure our military appreciate your thoughts.

Lindyy
:heart:

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Wed 03/19/08 08:25 PM
Thanks for nothing fanta. I am sure our military appreciate your thoughts.

Lindyy


Not me, Bush and co are the ones putting that definition to soldiers!!

Read the article!!

They are putting this enemy soldier on trial as a murderer.
Charged and defined, because he killed another soldier during a firefight! (during combat)
If this man is a murderer, then so are all soldiers!

This is called comprehension!!

Read with and open mind and it will help you understand what you are reading!


drinker
Fanta!!

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Wed 03/19/08 08:40 PM
old him prisoner as a POW.
By all means, and do so until the war on terrorism is over.
That is what you do with POW's.

Try him for murder, and you define all soldiers as murderer's.
This opens the possibility that any soldier can be tried by any country they are at war with as the same.

If you support this policy, then you are advocating an action with the potential to snowball.

Bush is blurring the lines between criminal and soldier.
This man/boy was captured on the battlefield, shot first, then captured.
He didnt fly a plane into a civilian target, or set off a bomb in the subway!
He was engaged in combat,
on a battlefield with the enemy,
us, but still his enemy. (Geography and beliefs)


IMO, it is unconscionable and another example of the idiocricy of the Bush Policies!

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Wed 03/19/08 09:52 PM
Edited by karmafury on Wed 03/19/08 09:55 PM
A kid of Afghan descent in Afghanistan. Because a second report dated months after the firefight states, differently than the first report by same officer, that only this 'enemy combatant' could have thrown the grenade then he's has to be the one.

First of all there is the question of the second report, which was back dated. That alone raises red flags when it comes to credibility.

Second, 'enemy combatant'. Not terrorist, not insurgent but enemy combatant taken as a POW. Then he's covered by the Geneva Conventions.

Third, is the 'murder' of an American Sgt. An event which happened in a fire-fight with an enemy. War is hell and the killing of the enemy in war by combatants is not murder. It's a fact of war. If an enemy combatant is to be accused of murder for the killing of an enemy then what about friendly fire? Should those who commit friendly fire be accused of murder and tried, convicted and punished for such?

If he's to be tried for the 'murder' of an American soldier then to must everyone who has been in combat and killed the enemy.

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Wed 03/19/08 09:55 PM

A kid of Afghan descent in Afghanistan. Because a second report dated months after the firefight states, differently than the first report by same officer, that only this 'enemy combatant' could have thrown the grenade then he's has to be the one.

First of all there is the question of the second report, which was back dated. That alone raises red flags when it comes to credibility.

Second, 'enemy combatant'. Not terrorist, not insurgent but enemy combatant taken as a POW. Then he's covered by the Geneva Conventions.

Third, is the 'murder' of an American Sgt. An event which happened in a fire-fight with an enemy. War is hell and the killing of the enemy in war by combatants is not murder. It's a fact of war. If an enemy combatant is to be accused of murder for the killing of an enemy then what about friendly fire? Should those who commit friendly fire be accused of murder and tried, convicted and punished for such?



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Finally!!

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Wed 03/19/08 10:00 PM

Thanks for nothing fanta. I am sure our military appreciate your thoughts.

Lindyy


Not me, Bush and co are the ones putting that definition to soldiers!!

Read the article!!

They are putting this enemy soldier on trial as a murderer.
Charged and defined, because he killed another soldier during a firefight! (during combat)
If this man is a murderer, then so are all soldiers!

This is called comprehension!!

Read with and open mind and it will help you understand what you are reading!


Fanta!!


I do read with an open mind, perhaps others do not. I do not believe the individual's story to begin with. Therefore, I have no feelings of pity for him. He is getting what he deserves. That is a US soldier he killed. Guess that does not bother you, but it bothers me.

Again, you forget what the enemy has done to US military. How can you even say one word in their defense? Shame on you.


Lindyy

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Wed 03/19/08 10:04 PM


Thanks for nothing fanta. I am sure our military appreciate your thoughts.

Lindyy


Not me, Bush and co are the ones putting that definition to soldiers!!

Read the article!!

They are putting this enemy soldier on trial as a murderer.
Charged and defined, because he killed another soldier during a firefight! (during combat)
If this man is a murderer, then so are all soldiers!

This is called comprehension!!

Read with and open mind and it will help you understand what you are reading!


Fanta!!


I do read with an open mind, perhaps others do not. I do not believe the individual's story to begin with. Therefore, I have no feelings of pity for him. He is getting what he deserves. That is a US soldier he killed. Guess that does not bother you, but it bothers me.

Again, you forget what the enemy has done to US military. How can you even say one word in their defense? Shame on you.


Lindyy




Whether you believe what he says or not. He has been classed an enemy combatant. Not a terrorist. Not an insurgent. As an enemy combatant he is covered by the Geneva Conventions. He cannot be charged with the murder of an enemy combatant. That is whole idea of being a combatant ..... TO KILL YOUR ENEMY. If he is guilty of murder then so too is any combatant who has shot and killed his enemy.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/19/08 10:04 PM


Thanks for nothing fanta. I am sure our military appreciate your thoughts.

Lindyy


Not me, Bush and co are the ones putting that definition to soldiers!!

Read the article!!

They are putting this enemy soldier on trial as a murderer.
Charged and defined, because he killed another soldier during a firefight! (during combat)
If this man is a murderer, then so are all soldiers!

This is called comprehension!!

Read with and open mind and it will help you understand what you are reading!


Fanta!!


I do read with an open mind, perhaps others do not. I do not believe the individual's story to begin with. Therefore, I have no feelings of pity for him. He is getting what he deserves. That is a US soldier he killed. Guess that does not bother you, but it bothers me.

Again, you forget what the enemy has done to US military. How can you even say one word in their defense? Shame on you.


Lindyy



By calling this man a murderer then it is you
who is calling all soldiers murders!

I take offense to that!

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Wed 03/19/08 10:06 PM



Thanks for nothing fanta. I am sure our military appreciate your thoughts.

Lindyy


Not me, Bush and co are the ones putting that definition to soldiers!!

Read the article!!

They are putting this enemy soldier on trial as a murderer.
Charged and defined, because he killed another soldier during a firefight! (during combat)
If this man is a murderer, then so are all soldiers!

This is called comprehension!!

Read with and open mind and it will help you understand what you are reading!


Fanta!!


I do read with an open mind, perhaps others do not. I do not believe the individual's story to begin with. Therefore, I have no feelings of pity for him. He is getting what he deserves. That is a US soldier he killed. Guess that does not bother you, but it bothers me.

Again, you forget what the enemy has done to US military. How can you even say one word in their defense? Shame on you.


Lindyy



By calling this man a murderer then it is you
who is calling all soldiers murders!

I take offense to that!


As do I. I was taught to kill an enemy. I also expected that said enemy would be trying to do same.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/19/08 10:07 PM
Im glad Im not the only one who sees this karma!!drinker

karmafury's photo
Wed 03/19/08 10:08 PM
Yet it's not hard to see. drinker

Fanta46's photo
Wed 03/19/08 10:11 PM
Now,
as a POW
we have every right to keep him a prisoner
until the enemy formally surrenders and negotiates a treaty.drinker

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Wed 03/19/08 10:14 PM
Want to get into the tricky stuff now?

Has he had the right to visit from Canadian Consular Offices?

Has a report of his condition been routinely sent to Canadian authorities?

Has the Red Cross been allowed access to him as is his right as an enemy combatant?

Has Red Crescent been allowed access to him as is his right as an enemy combatant?

Has a Canadian doctor been allowed access to him to verify his physical condition?

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Wed 03/19/08 10:17 PM

Want to get into the tricky stuff now?

Has he had the right to visit from Canadian Consular Offices?

Has a report of his condition been routinely sent to Canadian authorities?

Has the Red Cross been allowed access to him as is his right as an enemy combatant?

Has Red Crescent been allowed access to him as is his right as an enemy combatant?

Has a Canadian doctor been allowed access to him to verify his physical condition?



Want to get into the tricky stuff ....

Canada should exile him and revoke his citizenship!grumble laugh

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Wed 03/19/08 10:21 PM
I dont want to treat the guy with kid glovesnoway

Just justly!!!!
Is that a word?.......judiciallydrinker
By the same set of rules.

Why blur the borders??drinker

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Wed 03/19/08 10:23 PM
Edited by karmafury on Wed 03/19/08 10:24 PM


Want to get into the tricky stuff now?

Has he had the right to visit from Canadian Consular Offices?

Has a report of his condition been routinely sent to Canadian authorities?

Has the Red Cross been allowed access to him as is his right as an enemy combatant?

Has Red Crescent been allowed access to him as is his right as an enemy combatant?

Has a Canadian doctor been allowed access to him to verify his physical condition?



Want to get into the tricky stuff ....

Canada should exile him and revoke his citizenship!grumble laugh


Actually it would have to be the father to be deported since it was the father who ordered him there. His father had all the ties to Al-Quaeda. The son went because a good Muslim son obeys his father. His 'job' was to be a non-combat role as translator. Unfortunately the father cannot be deported.... he went to Afghanistan as well and got killed in a firefight.
Though I personally think that the older brother, still here, and the mother should be deported for their pro-Al-Quaeda rhetoric.