Religion....Man Reaching Up to God

God ....God Reaching Down to Man(Why Jesus came )

Jesus Came to Save..NOT to be turned into another Religion.

Religion is a man made attempt to reach up to God.

God NEVER meant for us to turn Him into a religion
(and I know I'm repeating myself a lot here)

God wants a PERSONAL RELATIONSIP with His people.......and with the WHOLE WORLD..NOT a Religious Relationship

Did you know that...
One day every Tongue will Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord?

That's why the bible says to go into all the world..NOT to spread another religion, but to share the Good News to ALL the world...about the Jesus who LOVES Us ...and wants to Save His People ....Amen??

God is NOT ...and NEVER WAS about Religion ,Folks.
MAN did thaT......

But One day....

Every Eye will See
and Every Tongue Confess
That Jesus Christ is Lord.

Wow.....that's some pretty heavy duty stuff the bible says, eh?

Amen sister

Morningglory: Wow.....that's some pretty heavy duty stuff the bible says, eh?

It sure is as of other religious books are pretty heavy duty and of other beliefs.

That is why I sent that list because there are many different ways different ways to believe in something. 2.1 billion believe in the bible, yet the other 4 billion believe in something else that is not related to the bible.

It is everyones decision to believe or not. There are 1.1 that don't believe at all.

Everyone can use whatever method they want as long as it makes sense to them and live happily with it.

cheers

I agree 100% but then you have to live with the consequences of what you believe......

I believe that ALL religions are reaching up towards God; but we just don't realize yet.. that we ALL are reaching up towards the SAME God.

And in the Meantime, God Has Already Reached Down to Us..and Even Already Came Down to Dwell Among Us.....He is Just Waiting for Us All to See that.....

Smiless..... like that name , MorningGlory.....

I know we think of reality is up there and down here. We "reach up" to God and God "comes down" to us. But that is just the space time three dimensional thinking. Everything is really right here right now. God is right here, right now. There is no up or down.

There are more than three or four dimensions. In our reality there is height, depth, length, and the dimension of time. These four dimensions are for the purpose of locating an event.

Imagine you were a traveler outside of time and space and you came to a universe and entered into it. To find a particular event you would need the coordinates. Three coordinates of space and one of time, to locate that event.

If you believe a God came to this universe, from outside of this universe, outside of our space and time, to be with us on this planet for example, he would have to have those four coordinates to reach his destination.

But what other dimensions exist and where did he come from? It is not Up there or down there or even out there.

There is another dimension discovered inside of a vacuum. From a vacuum, where no particles or energy exist, they have all been taken out, suddenly there appears, from out of no where, a particle. Where did it come from? It did not come from out there, or up there. It came from within that vacuum.

So there is another direction that this energy comes from that looks like it comes from within that vacuum.

That is where the spirit of God comes from. That vacuum within our own body. It comes out into our reality from a void and manifests reality.

That is my somewhat pantheistic view.

Altough I am a Christian, I want to learn more about the different religions of the world.

Smiless.... do you have more you could share, on each of these different religions?

Jeannie...I stand amazed ....at it all...
I look at this vast universe we live in...
the different people...different beliefs.....different planets....different worlds....
and.....
all I can do is marvel and wonder at God's divine plan for it all.....

If you truly believe that then you know that Jesus couldn’t have possibly been God incarnated.

How dumb do think God could be?

Do you think for one second that he wouldn’t realize that if he came to earth incarnated as a man that event would be turned into a religion?

Moreover, the whole basis of Christianity is that God inspirited the writing of the Bible!

How dumb do think God could be not to realize that he was creating a religion by doing that?

How dumb would God have to be to carve Ten Commandments into stone if he didn’t want to start a religion?

How dumb would God have to be to proclaim that he is a jealous God and that thou shalt have no other God’s before him if he didn’t want to start a religion?

How dumb would God have to be to only seed one small part of the Mediterranean region with his inspiration whilst allowing the whole rest of the planet to make up their own religions?

Such a God would have to be pretty dumb I think.

Also, what does this say about his being all-powerful?

The God that created this entire immense universe spent thousands of years inspiring men to write stories about events focused on the Middle East whilst completely ignoring the whole rest of the world?

Do you really believe that an all-powerful creator of this universe would have been so narrow-minded and limited in his power of inspiration?

I don’t believe that for one second.

The fact that the religion is extremely regional and basically focused on the life and times of one nation of people and the nations they came in contact with is basically proof positive in my mind, that the whole thing is regional folklore. Not divinely inspired at all.

When are people going to wake up to this clear and obvious fact?

The men who wrote the biblical stories believe that the Earth was the only planet in existence. In fact, they didn’t even realize that it was a planet!!! They thought it was the foundational center of creation and that everything revolved around them just like their stories revolved around them.

It’s not that God is a jealous egotist at all like the Bible proclaims.

It’s just that the men who wrote the Bible were focused on themselves as being all-important in God’s eyes.

They wrote in the part about every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that their God is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, only because they wanted their God to be more powerful than the Gods of their enemy nations.

That whole ideal is extremely egotistical and has nothing at all to do with God.

God isn’t concerned with people cowering at his feet confessing that he is some sort of King.

God has no ambitions to become the King of Kings of planet earth.

God is the creator of the universe not a dictator.

The whole claim that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess is not a claim from God.

It’s a manmade claim about a religion trying to proclaim that their God is the King of Kings.

It’s the epitome of man’s ego and has nothing at all to do with any supreme creator.

A Dictator Commands by Force....

God Gave Man a Free Will...thus Allowing Man Freedom of Choice....

in what warped reality do you think that. In EVERY debate thread I've been in I have said we all have a right to our own beliefs. I have stated that they are MY beliefs. I have friends that are of other religions and some atheists. we respect each others opinion. we are the one that gets off by arguing about things not said

Christianity is a "way of life."

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and life."

Religion, as taught by James, who was one of the twelve, said this. James 1:26,27.

"If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,

To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."


There is a misunderstanding of terms that this may very well bridge peaceably.

Dear Morningsong,

I want to apologize for calling you Morningglory. It wasn't intentional. I was writing on the forum and couldn't scroll back to see your name and faintly remembered it.

You ask if I can introduce you to other religions. I am at the moment fascinated with Ancient Egypt and their beliefs yet out of the hundreds of religions that exist on this planet it is overwhelming to learn in just one lifetime. I am not a christian or belong in any religious group. I am agnostic theist who tries to understand religion but also keeps a open mind to everyones belief systems. Some make more sense then others and some to me doesn't make any sense at all.

The internet has many great websites on religion. I find the following link interesting and perhaps you would like to read on it.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

cheers

The point is that there would be no need for a God to proclaim that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that he is the Lord of Lords, and the King of Kings.

You say,…



Yet you point to the things that are written in a book that was supposedly inspired by God.

You can’t separate Jesus from the Old Testament. Many have tired (including myself). The God of the Old Testament is a Dictator.

You say that a Dictator Command by Force. Well duh?

Do as I say or I’ll cast you into the pits of Hell!

Hmmmm? Sounds like a dictator to me.

The biblical God is the ultimate dictator. That’s a fact. Do as he says or face his wrath.

All people who are oppressed by dictators have free will. They can either do what they are told, or face the wrath of the dictator.

The biblical picture of God is a picture of a supreme dictator. Make no mistake about that.

You can claim that it’s a benevolent dictator. You can claim that it’s a fair dictator. You can claim that it’s a reasonable dictator, or even a forgiving dictator. But it’s clearly a dictator none the less.

Sin is nothing more than the willful disobedience of God (the ultimate dictator)

The Biblical God has wants, demands and expectations of YOU!

And if you don’t fulfill his wants, demands and expectations, all hell breaks loose.

He is a jealous vengeful God that you must fear if you aren’t willing to conform to his wants, demands and expectations.

That’s a dictator. No question about it.

My view of God is totally different. My God perfect. There’s no need for an ego or to dictate. And I still have complete free will. My God has things set up so that I can neither hurt myself or others. I can only imagine to do so. And I can only imagine to be hurt. Anything I imagine is my own doing. God merely observes. Not need to dictate anything.

She fixed so that I can’t hurt myself even if I wanted to. She doesn’t need to baby-sit me, or judge me. I learn from my own mistakes. I’m the judge, and even Jesus confirmed her wishes,…

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged

You are the judge. God doesn’t need to do anything. You do it all to yourself.

God's no dummy. She knew how to put the universe on autopilot.

The problem with Christianity is that they cannot hide their pagan ancestors and their pagan roots whose gods demanded blood sacrifices from their lowly servants or slaves. Even after the blood thirsty alien gods left the human population behind the priests and offspring of these alien gods maintained control of the people by pretending to be "sons of gods." The ritual sacrifice lives on in communion and baptism rituals.

since the beginning of "christian" time...there haven't been gods plural. Just one. sacrifices don't make them pagan either.

Saying it don't make it so. The early Christian movement had something called the crusades. They killed people who refused to worship their one god. There were always people worshiping other gods. It was hard to kill them all.

Concerning Abras recent post.

Abra: If you truly believe that then you know that Jesus couldn’t have possibly been God incarnated.

REPLY: My question is why can't we find any remains of Jesus today. Some claim to have found his coffin in Egypt that had Egyptian hieroglephics indicating he is of Pharoah blood?


ABRA: The God that created this entire immense universe spent thousands of years inspiring men to write stories about events focused on the Middle East whilst completely ignoring the whole rest of the world?
Do you really believe that an all-powerful creator of this universe would have been so narrow-minded and limited in his power of inspiration?
I don’t believe that for one second.

REPLY: I don't either. I think the tale of Enka and Enlil makes better sense to me. I am sure you are familiar with the story since I have mentioned it many times on religious threads.

ABRA: The fact that the religion is extremely regional and basically focused on the life and times of one nation of people and the nations they came in contact with is basically proof positive in my mind, that the whole thing is regional folklore. Not divinely inspired at all.

REPLY: Christianity was a direct challenge on the Roman Empire. They were trying to change a lifestyle and incorporate a different belief. The Roman Empire was threatened by this change and found a way to warn all citizens not to follow Jesus and his followers belief and path. That is why they put him on the cross not because he wanted it, because he had to. Since he was so beloved his followers found a way to spread news of his reincarnation to ensure the followers to continue to believe in his adventures. Jesus may have been just a regular human who died and never reincarnated.

When are people going to wake up to this clear and obvious fact?

REPLY: Never! Thomas Paine tried his best to try to make people understand with his book "Common Sense". A book that challenged religion with common sense.

ABRA: The men who wrote the biblical stories believe that the Earth was the only planet in existence. In fact, they didn’t even realize that it was a planet!!! They thought it was the foundational center of creation and that everything revolved around them just like their stories revolved around them.

REPLY: I agree


ABRA: It’s just that the men who wrote the Bible were focused on themselves as being all-important in God’s eyes.

REPLY: They were very intelligent scholars who used ancient religious philosophies and incorporated them to create a new religion to challenge Roman Authority. If you really look back at older mythological stories from the Greeks and Egyptians and relate the two with the bible you will see many similiarities to them. I am amazed a professor hasn't done more intensive studies in this area comparing religions and their similiarities. The best person I can think of who comes close in dvd speeches is Joseph Campbell.

ABRA: They wrote in the part about every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that their God is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, only because they wanted their God to be more powerful than the Gods of their enemy nations.

REPLY: I agree

That whole ideal is extremely egotistical and has nothing at all to do with God. God isn’t concerned with people cowering at his feet confessing that he is some sort of King. God has no ambitions to become the King of Kings of planet earth. God is the creator of the universe not a dictator. The whole claim that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess is not a claim from God.

REPLY: Very true if there is a God who created everything - universe and so forth then why should he have to make anyone knee for him. It wouldn't be neccessary at all.

ABRA: It’s a manmade claim about a religion trying to proclaim that their God is the King of Kings.

REPLY: It continues today with the many many religions existing today. Everyone claims their religion is correct and the ultimate answer and we are warned if we don't follow we will be punished or face consequences if we don't believe them.

ABRA: It’s the epitome of man’s ego and has nothing at all to do with any supreme creator.

REPLY: I agree

and that applies to you....again it's all a matter of beliefs. I don't judge others beliefs such as yours. and as far as the crusades...that isn't all christians. other religions have done the same as well in the past and present. I am a christian but that doesn't mean i agreed with the crusades or the inquisition.