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to answer your first question... when would you castrate him if not after? You have no way of knowing if a person is going to do something like that until it happens. And if you have reason to believe he might, and do nothing to prevent it prior then you are just as guilty as he is. I am not saying it is fair, or right or anyting to the "nine year old". However it is no more fair to the child that is being murdered either. Two wrongs dont make a right. perhaps you're not aware of all the research, there's a lot of young girls that never say anything to anyone about who has 'touched' them. so picture this, a girl gets pregnant, after her mother realizes something's not quite right with her daughter and asks her, you have this big 'family secret' now, after pressing charges, why can't this baby be aborted again? i personally wouldn't want to raise my father's child..would you? are you actually gonna sit there in your safe home, in your safe life, and tell me you'd raise that baby, and LOVE it, and never think about the father? never compare the baby to him? never wonder if that baby has the father's traits? i call bull**** |
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Tho since I'm sexually in-active nobody can say i'm a father. so why I'm worrying about being hated here is beyond me. I'm overly sensitive O_O
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Edited by
toastedoranges
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Wed 01/23/08 04:54 PM
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And if you were not wiling to father a child you should have backed up and said no sex without the concom? nope, i would have pushed for abortion. why? because neither of us where at good points in our lives to provide a suitable situation for a child. and before i get someone jumping on my nuts because i would have "pushed" for abortion, she was of the same mind state |
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Tho since I'm sexually in-active nobody can say i'm a father. so why I'm worrying about being hated here is beyond me. I'm overly sensitive O_O I dont hate you. Hugs for damnitscloudy 
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ya mean YOU wanna be a child of rape? an act of hate, and power? how's your self image eh? if you are raised up to believe in yourself, and knowing that it si not your fault what your father did to your mother, then your self image is just fine. bull**** yet again, i've met a child that was the result of a rape, his mother hasn't laid blame, but didn't hold the truth from him either..guess what, he tried suicide...he's tried more than once, and he's only 12 ...cuz HE felt guilty for what his father did to his mother |
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conflicting messages, i know. trying to get pregnant to make sure i stayed around, but knew her life couldn't accomidate for a child
what? you expect me to expain women? |
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to answer your first question... when would you castrate him if not after? You have no way of knowing if a person is going to do something like that until it happens. And if you have reason to believe he might, and do nothing to prevent it prior then you are just as guilty as he is. I am not saying it is fair, or right or anyting to the "nine year old". However it is no more fair to the child that is being murdered either. Two wrongs dont make a right. perhaps you're not aware of all the research, there's a lot of young girls that never say anything to anyone about who has 'touched' them. so picture this, a girl gets pregnant, after her mother realizes something's not quite right with her daughter and asks her, you have this big 'family secret' now, after pressing charges, why can't this baby be aborted again? i personally wouldn't want to raise my father's child..would you? are you actually gonna sit there in your safe home, in your safe life, and tell me you'd raise that baby, and LOVE it, and never think about the father? never compare the baby to him? never wonder if that baby has the father's traits? i call bull**** dont get me wrong, I say charges should be pressed as soon as it is ofund out (and any nine year old child, as an example, who becomes pregnant the father should automatically be suspect, at least he is cleared, along with all other male relatives old enough to procreate). However I still, personally, can not agree with murdering the unborn child. This is something we will have to agree to disagree on. I DO agree that it is wrong for the nine year olds family to have to raise the child of an incest/rape. That is hwat adoption is for. But why punish the unborn child for its grandfathers (or great uncles, uncles etc.) mistakes? |
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And if you were not wiling to father a child you should have backed up and said no sex without the concom? nope, i would have pushed for abortion. why? because neither of us where at good points in our lives to provide a suitable situation for a child. and before i get someone jumping on my nuts because i would have "pushed" for abortion, she was of the same mind state |
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noone who is raped should have to birth the child of a rapist, period
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but what about adoption? I garuntee you could have found someone willing to adopt a newborn. Why owuld that not be a considered option instead of immediately going for murder?
for some, that's not an option. and your opinion of abortion as murder is not shared here. she would not have been able to finish her schooling, pay for her schooling, and support herself has she birthed the child |
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ya mean YOU wanna be a child of rape? an act of hate, and power? how's your self image eh? if you are raised up to believe in yourself, and knowing that it si not your fault what your father did to your mother, then your self image is just fine. bull**** yet again, i've met a child that was the result of a rape, his mother hasn't laid blame, but didn't hold the truth from him either..guess what, he tried suicide...he's tried more than once, and he's only 12 ...cuz HE felt guilty for what his father did to his mother then he was not raised properly. I am sorry some things SHOULD be kept until a child is of an appropriate age to deal with it (like sex, lol). Whatthe hell this mother thought she was doing letting her child know he was the product of rape when he was so young is beyond me. That is literally telling the BOY that he was not wanted fromt he beginning. With that being said, can you honostly say he was raised to believe he wasnt at fault or anything? |
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No single person will change the world. You, me no-one. However as living breathing human beings we are all entitled to our opinion and most certainly a final one. The bottom line is every single person and situation is different and there should not be anyone in this world to tell another human being(or couple) what they should or should not do. There are people out there that should not ever be aloud to run the streets none the less have children. There are children being adopted from other countries when there a plenty here that need a home and guidance. If we were all to open our front door and let roam whatever comes our way would you be happy with others coming in to your home and doing whatever they please to you and your children. Cuz that's what people are saying to others about abortions and not knowing the circumstances. What happens to unwanted children? They are used, abused, tortured, and mutilated, murdered, starved and who knows what else. Until one has lived in that world or atleast walked through it you're entitled to your opinion, but the fight isn't yours. Any of us could have or maybe were one of those children. I have a question. Are you saying that people shouldnt adopt from other countries? Adopting kids is expensive and there are other kids in other countries that dont even have a foster parents or even someone to give them food. What i'm saying is in this country the priority is the easiest thing to deal with. Hmmmm let me see.... we have thousands of our own children in group homes and what about the ones that live on the streets and the single moms that sleep in thier vehicle with babies. And the ones that feed the children animal food cuz it's cheaper. Yes I am saying that my OPINION is that we need to get our $hit straight before we save the rest of the world. WOW imagine that... we are taking care of someones elses problem before we take care of ours. Back to the beginning of this... unwanted children or chiildren born the people that can't take care of THEM. YES
I understand that we need to straighten our country, but from what your sayin is that PEOPLE LIKE ME SHOULDNT BE HERE AND BE THANKFUL THAT GOOD PEOPLE TOOK US IN. I for one am not going to sit back and watch some a$$hole dictator destroy a village and kill the children. Lots of kids here have been abused and do you know how hard it is to take in a child that has been abused? When I was 12 my family took in two little girls. They were abused. Ya know they made our lives a living hell for the next 3 years. They built walls around them and wouldnt let anyone close. Do you know how much that hurts? That isnt appealing to most parents. Why go through the hassle of adopting a child like that when you can get a baby that hasnt any abuse? That's all great but, so the cycle continues. It's the easy way out. Teach that unwanted child to hate more to be more untrusting. Teach that child that they will never rise above what they where born into. Teach that child from the other country that you broke another childs back to bring them here. Take that child to a homeless shelter, children group or a safe house and show them all the children that were not wanted and make sure they understand so that when another situation like a school shooting happens they don't ask why. But if they do I hope you have a real good answer. Well, I am sorry I cant change the world. I am just saying I am greatful to my parents for adopting me. I cant teach all the children in the US, You can rise above from being nothing. Not all the school shootings were from street kids some were from kids that had homes and parents. I am very happy for you And very happy you came out on top but. We all started out as children but alot of us do what's good for us forgetting where we came from and leaving those like us behind and that shouldn't be. Like I said in the beginning we are all entitled to our opinion and if good comes from a situation then we are all that much further.
As for those children (the shooters) one never knows what goes on behind closed doors. We just had a kid (15)run away from home here cuz he got into an a arguemnt with his dad(great family by the way) Though he got lost and was missing for four days. Turned out he hung himself in the woods an acre behind his home. Marci
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conflicting messages, i know. trying to get pregnant to make sure i stayed around, but knew her life couldn't accomidate for a child what? you expect me to expain women? your not god, man I would never expect you to explain woman 
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noone who is raped should have to birth the child of a rapist, period like I said earlier, I have to accede and agree to disagree with that statement. |
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No single person will change the world. You, me no-one. However as living breathing human beings we are all entitled to our opinion and most certainly a final one. The bottom line is every single person and situation is different and there should not be anyone in this world to tell another human being(or couple) what they should or should not do. There are people out there that should not ever be aloud to run the streets none the less have children. There are children being adopted from other countries when there a plenty here that need a home and guidance. If we were all to open our front door and let roam whatever comes our way would you be happy with others coming in to your home and doing whatever they please to you and your children. Cuz that's what people are saying to others about abortions and not knowing the circumstances. What happens to unwanted children? They are used, abused, tortured, and mutilated, murdered, starved and who knows what else. Until one has lived in that world or atleast walked through it you're entitled to your opinion, but the fight isn't yours. Any of us could have or maybe were one of those children. I have a question. Are you saying that people shouldnt adopt from other countries? Adopting kids is expensive and there are other kids in other countries that dont even have a foster parents or even someone to give them food. What i'm saying is in this country the priority is the easiest thing to deal with. Hmmmm let me see.... we have thousands of our own children in group homes and what about the ones that live on the streets and the single moms that sleep in thier vehicle with babies. And the ones that feed the children animal food cuz it's cheaper. Yes I am saying that my OPINION is that we need to get our $hit straight before we save the rest of the world. WOW imagine that... we are taking care of someones elses problem before we take care of ours. Back to the beginning of this... unwanted children or chiildren born the people that can't take care of THEM. YES
I understand that we need to straighten our country, but from what your sayin is that PEOPLE LIKE ME SHOULDNT BE HERE AND BE THANKFUL THAT GOOD PEOPLE TOOK US IN. I for one am not going to sit back and watch some a$$hole dictator destroy a village and kill the children. Lots of kids here have been abused and do you know how hard it is to take in a child that has been abused? When I was 12 my family took in two little girls. They were abused. Ya know they made our lives a living hell for the next 3 years. They built walls around them and wouldnt let anyone close. Do you know how much that hurts? That isnt appealing to most parents. Why go through the hassle of adopting a child like that when you can get a baby that hasnt any abuse? That's all great but, so the cycle continues. It's the easy way out. Teach that unwanted child to hate more to be more untrusting. Teach that child that they will never rise above what they where born into. Teach that child from the other country that you broke another childs back to bring them here. Take that child to a homeless shelter, children group or a safe house and show them all the children that were not wanted and make sure they understand so that when another situation like a school shooting happens they don't ask why. But if they do I hope you have a real good answer. Well, I am sorry I cant change the world. I am just saying I am greatful to my parents for adopting me. I cant teach all the children in the US, You can rise above from being nothing. Not all the school shootings were from street kids some were from kids that had homes and parents. I am very happy for you And very happy you came out on top but. We all started out as children but alot of us do what's good for us forgetting where we came from and leaving those like us behind and that shouldn't be. Like I said in the beginning we are all entitled to our opinion and if good comes from a situation then we are all that much further.
As for those children (the shooters) one never knows what goes on behind closed doors. We just had a kid (15)run away from home here cuz he got into an a arguemnt with his dad(great family by the way) Though he got lost and was missing for four days. Turned out he hung himself in the woods an acre behind his home. Marci
Thanks That is true there is a lot that goes on behing closed doors. and its sad that kids commit suicide. BTW thank you for stating a good argument and not attacking me for my beliefs
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HOW many of you ladies out there have tried not to get pregnant and asked your man to wear a condom and he refused? been here.. Did he not want to have sex since he had to wear a condom?
been here too, he refused How many have had them sneak sex in your sleep?
been here..i was married to him How many have had a man who thought you might be pregnant start acting weird and stop talking to you?
been here too if he refused to wear a condom you should have refused to have sex. period. i did.. If he had sex with you while you were sleeping and without your consent it was rape. period. ohhh, now had we gotten pregnant, then what? eh? i would be expected to be happy about this? How many of you, when you thought you were pregnant, avoided the man because you were confused and nervous and not sure how to tell him (for wehatever reasson it doesnt matter) yep, that was me, and guess what, he told me to abort it |
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but what about adoption? I garuntee you could have found someone willing to adopt a newborn. Why owuld that not be a considered option instead of immediately going for murder?
for some, that's not an option. and your opinion of abortion as murder is not shared here. she would not have been able to finish her schooling, pay for her schooling, and support herself has she birthed the child and why would she not have been able to do these things? I know several women that at age fifteen became pregnant, continued school (one even sued the school for trying to not allow her to continue) got there HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMAS, two got their associates, and worked in order to provide. Now if you were present like you said, you would have been heloing provide, and everything so that would actually be one less thing for her to have to worry about. Dont getme wrong I am not condemning anyone for their choices (as long as it is legal for them to do so), but I cannot agree with the idea of abortion. |
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and why would she not have been able to do these things?
I know several women that at age fifteen became pregnant, continued school (one even sued the school for trying to not allow her to continue) got there HIGHSCHOOL DIPLOMAS, two got their associates, and worked in order to provide. Now if you were present like you said, you would have been heloing provide, and everything so that would actually be one less thing for her to have to worry about. Dont getme wrong I am not condemning anyone for their choices (as long as it is legal for them to do so), but I cannot agree with the idea of abortion. going through hs isn't the same as doing full time college and a full time job. and myself, i was barely getting by with things in my own life |
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noone who is raped should have to birth the child of a rapist, period thank you, amen, i appreciate you agreeing with me on this |
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No single person will change the world. You, me no-one. However as living breathing human beings we are all entitled to our opinion and most certainly a final one. The bottom line is every single person and situation is different and there should not be anyone in this world to tell another human being(or couple) what they should or should not do. There are people out there that should not ever be aloud to run the streets none the less have children. There are children being adopted from other countries when there a plenty here that need a home and guidance. If we were all to open our front door and let roam whatever comes our way would you be happy with others coming in to your home and doing whatever they please to you and your children. Cuz that's what people are saying to others about abortions and not knowing the circumstances. What happens to unwanted children? They are used, abused, tortured, and mutilated, murdered, starved and who knows what else. Until one has lived in that world or atleast walked through it you're entitled to your opinion, but the fight isn't yours. Any of us could have or maybe were one of those children. I have a question. Are you saying that people shouldnt adopt from other countries? Adopting kids is expensive and there are other kids in other countries that dont even have a foster parents or even someone to give them food. What i'm saying is in this country the priority is the easiest thing to deal with. Hmmmm let me see.... we have thousands of our own children in group homes and what about the ones that live on the streets and the single moms that sleep in thier vehicle with babies. And the ones that feed the children animal food cuz it's cheaper. Yes I am saying that my OPINION is that we need to get our $hit straight before we save the rest of the world. WOW imagine that... we are taking care of someones elses problem before we take care of ours. Back to the beginning of this... unwanted children or chiildren born the people that can't take care of THEM. YES
I understand that we need to straighten our country, but from what your sayin is that PEOPLE LIKE ME SHOULDNT BE HERE AND BE THANKFUL THAT GOOD PEOPLE TOOK US IN. I for one am not going to sit back and watch some a$$hole dictator destroy a village and kill the children. Lots of kids here have been abused and do you know how hard it is to take in a child that has been abused? When I was 12 my family took in two little girls. They were abused. Ya know they made our lives a living hell for the next 3 years. They built walls around them and wouldnt let anyone close. Do you know how much that hurts? That isnt appealing to most parents. Why go through the hassle of adopting a child like that when you can get a baby that hasnt any abuse? That's all great but, so the cycle continues. It's the easy way out. Teach that unwanted child to hate more to be more untrusting. Teach that child that they will never rise above what they where born into. Teach that child from the other country that you broke another childs back to bring them here. Take that child to a homeless shelter, children group or a safe house and show them all the children that were not wanted and make sure they understand so that when another situation like a school shooting happens they don't ask why. But if they do I hope you have a real good answer. Well, I am sorry I cant change the world. I am just saying I am greatful to my parents for adopting me. I cant teach all the children in the US, You can rise above from being nothing. Not all the school shootings were from street kids some were from kids that had homes and parents. I am very happy for you And very happy you came out on top but. We all started out as children but alot of us do what's good for us forgetting where we came from and leaving those like us behind and that shouldn't be. Like I said in the beginning we are all entitled to our opinion and if good comes from a situation then we are all that much further.
As for those children (the shooters) one never knows what goes on behind closed doors. We just had a kid (15)run away from home here cuz he got into an a arguemnt with his dad(great family by the way) Though he got lost and was missing for four days. Turned out he hung himself in the woods an acre behind his home. Marci
Thanks That is true there is a lot that goes on behing closed doors. and its sad that kids commit suicide. BTW thank you for stating a good argument and not attacking me for my beliefs
Absolutly I never mean to attack and sometimes it seems so. But not intended. However when I do attack it is known, so that is when I exit which I will do now because unfortunatly I am in attack mode and it has been building since I read the post by the loser that said some of use should've been aborted. That may true but it is a$$holes like that that cause peolpe to take drastic step and the innocent get hurt. So I bid you all a very good nite. Marci
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