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exactly my point kitty, thank you.
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...and so, you will do whatever it takes to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, right? Use condoms, refrain from having sex, etc, etc... It takes two to tango, men are just as responsible in the prevention of unwanted pregnancies as women.
As far as I know only one woman in history got pregnant without a man's help..soooo if you are against abortion, make sure youre not the reason someone is getting an abortion. 
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...and so, you will do whatever it takes to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, right? Use condoms, refrain from having sex, etc, etc... It takes two to tango, men are just as responsible in the prevention of unwanted pregnancies as women. As far as I know only one woman in history got pregnant without a man's help..soooo if you are against abortion, make sure youre not the reason someone is getting an abortion.
As you stated,"It takes two to tango", and this I can agrre with completely. In areas of the world such as Asia during floods the fathers will save sons while at the same time watching daughters drown. In the middle East, it is custom to remove a females clit because they believe that woman should not have pleasure from sexual acts, yet in this country women are considered equal, and rightfully so. As equals, it is not only absurd but selfish to to say that it is a womans body and the man has no choice in the matter. While I will agree that in cases of violent acts such as rape, it may be considered a piece of mercy to abort a fetus rather than having a child raised by a woman that has to look at that same child every day and recall to pain that she went through. However in cases where sex is conscentual, what gives the woman the right to decide to abort the child without the fathers conscent. If men and woman are equal in this country and and sex is conscentual, then both man and woman have equal right to decide the fate of the child. |
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As you stated,"It takes two to tango", and this I can agrre with completely. In areas of the world such as Asia during floods the fathers will save sons while at the same time watching daughters drown. In the middle East, it is custom to remove a females clit because they believe that woman should not have pleasure from sexual acts, yet in this country women are considered equal, and rightfully so. As equals, it is not only absurd but selfish to to say that it is a womans body and the man has no choice in the matter. While I will agree that in cases of violent acts such as rape, it may be considered a piece of mercy to abort a fetus rather than having a child raised by a woman that has to look at that same child every day and recall to pain that she went through. However in cases where sex is conscentual, what gives the woman the right to decide to abort the child without the fathers conscent. If men and woman are equal in this country and and sex is conscentual, then both man and woman have equal right to decide the fate of the child.
i believe a man should be told and there should be talk, provided they're on good terms. but it's the woman's body, she has all the say in the world |
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Edited by
nadius
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Fri 01/25/08 09:22 AM
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So what you are saying is a woman can choose to have sex.A woman can make the choice wether or not to keep the child. But if she does keep the child, the man is expected by law and by custom to take resposibility for a child that in reality he had no choice in deciding wether or not was born. Exactly how are we considered equals again? An example of such nonescense would be arguements over custody. If a man and woman are married and have a child they have equal rights to the child, however if the woman leaves the man, the man looses ALL rights to the child and has to go to court to fight just to visit the child, let alone have any say so, what so ever, in how the child is raised. While at the same time the man is still expected to assume financial responsibility for the same child. So I ask again, exactly how are we considered equals? |
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i'm not going to get into the post-birth topic.
but a woman's body is her own. to tell her she what she can or can't do with it would suggest a view of ownership |
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Edited by
nadius
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Fri 01/25/08 10:48 AM
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i'm not going to get into the post-birth topic. but a woman's body is her own. to tell her she what she can or can't do with it would suggest a view of ownership I see, and having the sole deciding view on destroying an unborn child doesn't suggest that she owns it? I have no intention of telling anyone to Do anything. What I am saying is that many women view this as a one-sided topic suggesting that in a country where man and woman ARE equals, that they for lack of better words, want there cake and eat it too. That by saying simply "it's my body, it's my choice" they are telling men to stand in the corner and look cute we don't want your opinion. Without ever considering that in many cases it is not just their life involved but the lives of three persons instead. |
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...and so, you will do whatever it takes to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, right? Use condoms, refrain from having sex, etc, etc... It takes two to tango, men are just as responsible in the prevention of unwanted pregnancies as women. As far as I know only one woman in history got pregnant without a man's help..soooo if you are against abortion, make sure youre not the reason someone is getting an abortion.
You obviously did not read the entire post did you? I suggest you go back through and do so,a s I think you will be highly surprised to what you missed. |
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As you stated,"It takes two to tango", and this I can agrre with completely. In areas of the world such as Asia during floods the fathers will save sons while at the same time watching daughters drown. In the middle East, it is custom to remove a females clit because they believe that woman should not have pleasure from sexual acts, yet in this country women are considered equal, and rightfully so. As equals, it is not only absurd but selfish to to say that it is a womans body and the man has no choice in the matter. While I will agree that in cases of violent acts such as rape, it may be considered a piece of mercy to abort a fetus rather than having a child raised by a woman that has to look at that same child every day and recall to pain that she went through. However in cases where sex is conscentual, what gives the woman the right to decide to abort the child without the fathers conscent. If men and woman are equal in this country and and sex is conscentual, then both man and woman have equal right to decide the fate of the child.
i believe a man should be told and there should be talk, provided they're on good terms. but it's the woman's body, she has all the say in the world bull**** bull**** bull****.... women want equality then they need to accept equality on all terms. And this means accepting that they dont have veto power over any decision. Neither do men. As was stated it takes two, and although I still say there is the option of adoption in the case of rape, the woman does not hold veto rights over the man, if their is to be tue equality between men and women. |
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Edited by
TristanBru
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Fri 01/25/08 12:05 PM
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It is a womans right to decided her own future, for her and her child. And I wouldn't want to life in a countury that tells you how your going to live your life.
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This is part of the whole problem with this issue, a bunch of people who are not involved with my life want to tell me what is right and wrong for me?[ not once did any of us tell you what to do with your life. We told you that you shuldnot commit murder. Stop pushing your views on eveyone else
not once have I pushed my views on anyone else. I am simply participating in a discussion. If you feel I am "pushing my views" upon you then you need to go elsewhere, because this is an open forum whre anyone may speak as long as they do not attack, or harrass etc.* There is a movie out it is a few years old, the name of it eludes me right now, it is about an abortion doctor in England I think it was, before it was legal, and showed how many women were doing it even though it was illegal, and showed how many women did not get proper care before, during and after
Your right, just because somethign is illegal does not mean it wont happen. but does that mean we need to make it legal for soeone to go out and rape another? Or murder a person that is not still physically attached to their mother? What about drugs? Should we make it legal for the use of all drugs because of hte drug wars? Look at it this way, If I said that it was ethically wrong to have proceedures that enable you to have children, for those women who have healt problems. So if you have a health problem that you cannot have children, I think it is ethically wrong to superceed God's will for you to not have children. God obviously did not want you to have them, or he would have made it so. so if you go into the hospital to have those sorts of procedures, I am going to picket the hospital, I am going to throw eggs at you, and I may even find your home # and harras you at home. Ethically it is wrong to me for you to do this, so I will stop you.
I have not once mentioned anything abot religion or god ar any of that. As far as I am concerned enabling someone to give life is a heck of a lot mor moral, than allowing them to take it away, for [by]any reason. And as far as getting physical in any way towards a woman/man or clinic/hospital I did not say, nor have I participated in any way, that this would be right or ethical. And as far as "going into your home..." I am not going into your home. Yes you are at home. however I am at my home. We are both using the internet, which is a choice we both make for ourselves, and you chose to come into this thread and read it and comment. I am assuming no one is standing there with a gun to your head (or anything similar) forcing you to turn on the internet, sign onto JustSayHi.com and to participate in this thread. So if you do not like being told my views (or anyone elses) thenturn off your computer and quit participating. Back at you, if you don't like my views, don't listen to me. And I am stating my opinion, not talking directly to you, I may on occasion use what you have said to prove my point, but I think you are taking me way too personally. Let me state for the record: I do not agree with abortion, I do not think healthy babies should be aborted, I do believe that it is a question of morals and ethics, and I will not and should not opose my views of them on anyone else. I believe that if it is in my body, grows inside of me, it is mine, no matter what small minut part you played in it. again when you have a vagina you can do anything you want with it, until that point in time, it is none of your business. Back in caveman time, the men went out and hunted and the women stayed in the camps to protect the children, the women were responsible for all the children to a certain age, when then the boys would go with the men and the girls would stay with the women to learn the ways of survival. Women by nature are natually more intune with the survival of children, if they thought the children were in danger from another tribe or wild animals, they would kill them themselves, to avoid suffering. Their morals and ethics were not questioned. It was the way it was, the way or survival. |
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When you have a vagina you can do whatever you want with it
(Forgive me folks but I have to ask this, even though I do not believe it myself} Does the above statment mean on the reverse that because I have a ****, I can do whatever I want with it with no consequences as well? Well no it doesn't. It means that you suffer your own consequences. You keep telling Ellgee to learn to read, take some advise and do the same. My statement spoke nothing of having no consequences, it simply states that if you do not have a vagina you cannot tell me what to do with mine, and since I do not have a penis I will not tell you what to do with it. Until either of us has the other there is no way for us to understand the intriqucies of why or why not. |
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Sure men and women are equal, equal parties in sex but not equal parties in carrying and delivery and not equal parties in the after care of said child. Men can leave a woman and his child easier than a woman can, why this is I am not sure but men will and do way more than women will leave their children. There is the unequality. After the child is here a woman will be the responsible party for said child. You can tell me all about how you did not do this or so and so did not do this but there are many many more single mothers of children then single fathers with children. So there is more responsibility by the women in this issue. She will be able to do with her body as she deems necessary and until men can carry children in their body this will remain the same.
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yes a womans body is her own. She has the right to choose not to have sex if she doesn ot want children. however she does not have the RIGHT (I am not saying anything about legality here), she does not heave the right to tell a man he can not be a father because she all of a sudden realizes she made a mistake by chooising ot have sex and ios now pregnant.
Get it straight people a woman has her choice, yes. That choice is wether or not to have sex, NOT wether or not to murder an innocent and helpless child, OR to tell a man that he can not be a father. i think you're failing to understand that some people do not see it as murder and a woman has a choice on if she wants to birth a man's child, it's her body and all the trials are hers to bear. |
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i am an adoptee and ill tell you this. A woman has all the right to do what ever she wishes to do with her body. That baby is a person all there own, NOT a part of a WOMANS body, the women is just an incubator so that person(fetus) can devolp so he/she can live in this world. The child has the right to live and another doesnt have the right to take it from them.
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i am an adoptee and ill tell you this. A woman has all the right to do what ever she wishes to do with her body. That baby is a person all there own, NOT a part of a WOMANS body, the women is just an incubator so that person(fetus) can devolp so he/she can live in this world. The child has the right to live and another doesnt have the right to take it from them. Dude I'm an adoptee also and I don't tell other women what to do.our birth mothers made a choice of their own free will.Other women have that same right.Its the law so suck it up and deal guys. |
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It is a womans right to decided her own future, for her and her child. And I wouldn't want to life in a countury that tells you how your going to live your life. let me make one thing clear and if you dont like it, or believe it, you can call up someone with a law degree and they will telly ou the same thing. In theUnited States o America, an unborn child does not belong solely to to mother, hence your comment "iti s a womans right to decided her own future, for her and her child is bullpucky. |
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It is a womans right to decided her own future, for her and her child. And I wouldn't want to life in a countury that tells you how your going to live your life. let me make one thing clear and if you dont like it, or believe it, you can call up someone with a law degree and they will telly ou the same thing. In theUnited States o America, an unborn child does not belong solely to to mother, hence your comment "iti s a womans right to decided her own future, for her and her child is bullpucky. We can't even come to agreement in the law when life begins and you want to argue custody?Apparently it does belong to her because abortion is LEGAL. |
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Legality and Morality are two different stories. Most of the time they are on opposite sides of the fence!!
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Legality and Morality are two different stories. Most of the time they are on opposite sides of the fence!! Thats true but until the law is changed or altered its the womans choice.I myself have never had an abortion but don't judge those who do.That's between them and God or their own conscience. |
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