In the quote,. it is stated that it is ok to take abortive measures (measures to kill an unborn baby) if it is not garunteed there is a baby. So I ask: is it ok to take killing measures (using racial discrimination as an example) if htere is not a garuntee the person would die.

women bring on the birth control for men, like they say if men could have babies, there would sure be enough daycare spaces!

I am not angry at all. Men need to own up to being men and control their nether parts. We are not the control of their penis, not at any level. Then men cannot beat the abortion choice to death because there would be no need for abortion. Men need to take responsibility. Women have carried the load of this responsibility long enough. Period.

huh?

right on dragoness, women are responsible 100%, men on the other hand...

so answer this... A man and a woman agree to have unprotected sex. a pregnancy results. it is entirely the mans fault for chooisng to go without the protection? I dont think so.

My ex refused to allow me to use a condom (she's allergic to latex) and she wouldn't let me use non-latex either. She got pregnant and I quit my job and moved 300 miles to support her. Not all guys are irresponsible. You need to lighten up. You choose poorly. When you can accept that you picked losers to have sex with, then you will be able to move on emotionally.

assuming that is correct, that does not mean the coin needs to be flipped and men be made respoonsible 100%.
it is fifty fifty. Period.

I agree with you. Not all men are arrognant a$$holes. Its not always the mans fault.

you both talk about how its the mans fault for getting them pregnant. Yes the woman carries the baby and has to suffer the pain. BUT when is the Woman going to stand up for her self and say NO protection NO sex?

thank you!!!

If this should happen and both parties are responsible then she will decide if a child will result and if so he will then leave her to take care of the child on her own and she will then learn a great lesson and he will go on to have unprotected sex with all the women he can get to "spread her legs" as you so eloquently put it. Or at least this seems to be the norm.

i truly wish there was an answer for both sides, when there is religion and courts in play, spirituality and moral judgment go the way of tax dollars, follow the paper trail. it always comes back to money.

You're welcome. It just think its dumb that men get all the blame. Like I said it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. Its both of their faults for not using protection

Seriously get a grip.the Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control because that stops potential babies.where the hell does it end?Is spermicide a murder weapon because I killed a living,one celled organism ?The morning after pill stops the process before it starts...Not everyone can take birth control and rubbers are not foolproof.I say everyone keep your clothes on if you can't handle the choices that may need to be made in the future..

But its not always the man that leaves the woman with the baby. Sometimes its the woman who leaves the man with the baby. They both created the baby, I think the man should have some say in destorying the baby

Really? Funny, I raised my two sons and daughter alone. My youngest was 18 months old when their mother decided that she didn't want the responsibility of raising kids. They got in the way of her relationship. Best damned thing that ever happened to me but the most I ever saw out of her in child support was $50.00. She worked for cash for their entire childhood to avoid it. Women are responsible 100%? Riiiiiight.

I may have made a bad choice, regardless, the man should be held to a responsibility of his penis and what he does with it. After that, children born, child support, etc..... is above and beyond this discussion. We are discussing who is worldly responsible for abortions running rampant and men are sorely lacking in responsibility of what they do with their private parts in this equation but yet they have all kinds of derogatory remarks about a woman choosing not to bring unwanted children into the world. If he wants the child he needs to tell her so before he dips the stick, know what I mean?

No single person will change the world. You, me no-one.
However as living breathing human beings we are all entitled to our opinion and most certainly a final one.
The bottom line is every single person and situation is different and there should not be anyone in this world to tell another human being(or couple) what they should or should not do.
There are people out there that should not ever be aloud to run the streets none the less have children. There are children being adopted from other countries when there a plenty here that need a home and guidance. If we were all to open our front door and let roam whatever comes our way would you be happy with others coming in to your home and doing whatever they please to you and your children. Cuz that's what people are saying to others about abortions and not knowing the circumstances.
What happens to unwanted children? They are used, abused, tortured, and mutilated, murdered, starved and who knows what else.
Until one has lived in that world or atleast walked through it you're entitled to your opinion, but the fight isn't yours.
Any of us could have or maybe were one of those children.

my ex pays child support but i raise the child..he hasn't seen him in over a year..Both of us made him but he has never helped even when we were married.Cause he had a job.i did too but of course i raised the baby all day and he passed it off to my oldest at night.Not all men are jerks like this one thank God.