Show me where I have ever mentioned any views at all on a on a war that we were all lied to about.

Wrong. Read it again-- your smoking _before_ conception rolls the dice _against_ the embryo/fetus. Forgetting the spontaneous abortion issue vis-a-vis smoking, for someone like yourself who engages in risky behaviour that you know from decades of research _is_ risky behaviour to then preach absolutionist personal responsibility is engaging in the same game of double standards you decry.



I'm not surprised. But let's really go for broke-- would you even go as far to say 'an eye for an eye' and have the woman publically drawn and quartered for undergoing an illegal D&C?



No, because non-procreational sex with the expectation that the contraception is not going to fail is not the same as someone walking into a liquor store with a gun. And because this particular facet of reality holds no 'shadow' for you in that your body is never going to go through pregnancy, with all its attendant risks, it's far to easy for you to take the Puritan role. One thing is for sure, YOU will never die from complications from childbirth.

You might want to keep that in mind before vicariously throwing the proverbial switch.

-Kerry O.

If you are a conservative
and are against this war,
then you are the exception
rather than the rule.

Here is what I believe,

That we have a right to know when were are getting screwed and why?

That we should take resopnsibilities for our actions.

That some of us will believe anything they are told(KerryO).

That abortion is an option out of taking responsibilities for our actions.

That if we convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt, by a jury of their peers, to die that we should get r' done.

Can any one else hear the 'Battle hymn of the Republic"?

I can go on and on.

NOT to have a baby. You mean kill an existing one. Makes it easier when you can't hear him or her scream in terror and pain doesn't it?

If the woman request for him to not be prosecuted, most of the time he will not be prosecuted. yes in some cases the state will take over, but it relies on the statement of the mother to an extent.

I am sorry that your child was aborted, and it is a shame that you have had to live with that for so long. I am truly sorry for that. But just because your ex did not have any does not mean that they don't exsist. Everyone is different, everyone handles things differently, every woman's body is different. Most of the women I know who have had them (4 total) have had severe emotional issues their whole lives, and one has terrible physical issues from it.

Abortion is not a decision that should be taken lightly. Again though it is not ours to make for everyone, only ourselves.

No, because even pro abortionists believe that there is a certain stage where you can no longer have an abortion. What you are trying to say is almost like saying if your mother had a C section that you were never actually born. If the baby is still in the womb but able to survive outside of it then I would believe it to be alive. There is a difference between a fetus.. which has organs and can actually move.. and pre-fetus when it is just a multitude of cells multiplying.

Star Sailor ..... You made the statement that our court system gives out a double murder penalty to those who kill a pregnant woman. That is not always so .... it differs from state to state.

For example, do you remember the Ohio policeman Bobby Cutts who was charged with murdering his pregnant girlfriend last year? The news reporter emphasized that the reason Cutts was being charged with double murder was because Ohio has an Unborn Victims' law. The TV journalist emphasized that not every state has that law. Therefore, in some states, the fetus/unborn baby is not considered a person and double murder does not apply.

You are absolutely right, a woman DOES have the right to choose wether or not to bring a child into this world. Here-in lies the misunderstanding. If the woman (or the man that will run away if the woman becomes pregnant) does not want to bring a baby into this world, then you should be CHOOSING to not have sex in the first place.

Pregnancy is the NATURAL result of sexual activity; it is what you have sex for.

Now, for those that will argue for the instance of rape, I am sorry, but in my opinion, it is simply another issue to bring against the rapist, although I can definitely understand and sympathise the resent and even hatred some might feel towards delivering the child.

And for those that argue for the case of imminent death for the mother, I am sorry, but you chose to have sex, then you need to be prepared for the consequences of that action.

About the ONLY time I can possibly think of condoning an abortion would be if it was able to be proven beyond a doubt, that the child would be born dead anyway.


But generally speaking, it all boils down to when the woman (or man) should be making their choice, which is BEFORE a pregnancy occurs, not after.

And if the DNA evidence absolutely exonerates them? BTW, thank science, a collective group of people who, like myself, _do_ question everything (your ad hominem attack aside) for discovering the principles that make the tools that enhance life possible.

They have a saying where I'm from: "Wish in one hand and poop in the other and see which fills up first." Given your extremist views and your inablility to defend them past ideology and a wish for revenge, I rather think the former is the more likely outcome for the form of frontier justice that you espouse becoming the law of the land.


And I don't think you're doing your cause any big favors by using a depiction of Uncle Sam and conflating it with sodomizing enemies. Saber-rattling is often a bluff that gets called, especially when you push someone up against a wall at the point of a sword.

-Kerry O.

I have a question to add to your question. If someone kills the fetus or unborn child other than a doctor doing an abortion is it still murder? This assumes the pregnant woman lives thru some sort of assualt. If the answer is yes someone please explain to me when doctors became exempt to the law of the land. If the answer is no please explain how two counts of murder can be charged.

I think there is a lot
of inconsistency when
it comes to life-and-death
issues in this country.

I believe the medical
establishment makes
abortion seem like the
only option.

There are other options,
for instance, adoption.

Yet if a doctor, like
Dr. Kevorkian, helps
someone to die, it is
against the law.

If a woman is killed
by someone, she is
pregnant, and the
fetus dies, that
person can be charged
with double homicide.

A lot of Republicans
consider themselves
'pro-life', yet they
have no qualms sending
an 18 or 19-year old
kid to his death in Iraq.

I realize not all Republicans
may feel this way, yet this
is the majority thinking.

Be consistent. If you value
all life, you cannot be for one
and against the other.

Only if you abide by a Judeau (sp) Christian belief system.

Again here we go with pushing your value and belief system (I am speaking about the part that says "it is what you have sex for" so when you argue with me, it is clearly stated what i was refering to)

There are hundreds of other religions that sex is an act of love, not an act of pro-creation. It is seen as a right and a privledge and an honor, not a responsibility to populate the earth.

Thanx for the simpathy vote dear, but no thanx. I have no problem with dealing with my own demons.

So if a woman is raped she should raise the child? You won't even give her the morning after pill, which by the way most pregnancies happen 24-48 hours after sex and what the morning after pill does is prevent a pregnancy and not abort one, just so you all have your facts straight on this now.

These argument simply go back to my previous statements that again certain men have been emasculated and now want total control of women to get back at the woman who did them wrong.

It's a good thing people in congress don't listen to the ravings of lunatics.

Because doctors that perform abortions don't randomly go around and randomly pick pregnant women to abort children from, papers are signed by the mother that she wants the proceedure.

There have been cases where pregnant women were abducted by women who couldn't have children and the baby was delivered by very barbaric tactics and the mother was dead and the baby was still alive. There was a case in Ravenna Ohio in about 1999 or 2000, the father got the baby back, however his wife was buried in a shallow grave. This is the oposite as what you were eluding to, but the same therory.

Wow, I was sincere about that, it's ashame your anger envelopes you so.