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It is still a woman's body regardless to your wanting to make it more. She has the choice. Once children can be carried and birthed by men then they to will know the joy and pain involved. Until then, a woman has a right to chose to bring a life into the world or not
You are absolutely right, a woman DOES have the right to choose wether or not to bring a child into this world. Here-in lies the misunderstanding. If the woman (or the man that will run away if the woman becomes pregnant) does not want to bring a baby into this world, then you should be CHOOSING to not have sex in the first place. Pregnancy is the NATURAL result of sexual activity; it is what you have sex for. Now, for those that will argue for the instance of rape, I am sorry, but in my opinion, it is simply another issue to bring against the rapist, although I can definitely understand and sympathise the resent and even hatred some might feel towards delivering the child. And for those that argue for the case of imminent death for the mother, I am sorry, but you chose to have sex, then you need to be prepared for the consequences of that action. About the ONLY time I can possibly think of condoning an abortion would be if it was able to be proven beyond a doubt, that the child would be born dead anyway. But generally speaking, it all boils down to when the woman (or man) should be making their choice, which is BEFORE a pregnancy occurs, not after. So if a woman is raped she should raise the child? You won't even give her the morning after pill, which by the way most pregnancies happen 24-48 hours after sex and what the morning after pill does is prevent a pregnancy and not abort one, just so you all have your facts straight on this now. These argument simply go back to my previous statements that again certain men have been emasculated and now want total control of women to get back at the woman who did them wrong. It's a good thing people in congress don't listen to the ravings of lunatics. I agree that a woman should not have to raise a child, wehter it is from rape or not. I can also understand how a pregnancy on top of rape would be emotionally devestating for some women(and yes I say some women. I know one lady in particular that was impregnated due to rape, and she is extremely joyous to have the child in her life now, ten years later). But hte fact is, in my opinion, liofe starts at conception. It does not matter how the conception came about, it started, which means life started. And it would be wrong to abort (I use the term abort instead of kill or murder because someone resented my using that term before) the child, just because you did not have a choice in the matter. There is always adoption, adn no it does NOT cost the parent giving up for adoption, anything at all to adopt out, as adoption clinics and would-be odopters are almost always more than willing to pay all costs to have the child delived and brought to them. so its better to sell a baby to God knows who.. |
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts.
I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. |
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I'm pro-life, abortion is murder. There's no way around it preventing human life is the same as taking it away.
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here's a good point. For one if your going to argue then know how to spell, its spelled arguing. Two these are supposed to be debates not attacking someone b/c they state their opinion. I for one am PRO LIFE and I believe abortion is murder. Yes I know there are a lot of homeless kids in the US, but if people didn't have unprotected sex there wouldn't be a problem. This is my own opinion and I would appreciate if the other side didn't attack me for it. I'm glad your pro-life but when you say murder you are attacking your fellow women who have a right to choose the legal option of abortion.I'm sorry but embryos are thrown away in fertility clinics across the country when they could be used to save people's lives because of ignorant backward beliefs against stem cell research.Babies are being aborted anyway,why not have some positive things come from this like saving lives of adults and children already here.I will be glad when this fundie administration is out and cooler heads hopefully prevail.Religion has no place in the making of our laws period. |
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here's a good point. For one if your going to argue then know how to spell, its spelled arguing. Two these are supposed to be debates not attacking someone b/c they state their opinion. I for one am PRO LIFE and I believe abortion is murder. Yes I know there are a lot of homeless kids in the US, but if people didn't have unprotected sex there wouldn't be a problem. This is my own opinion and I would appreciate if the other side didn't attack me for it. very true lonely, and thank you for stating your opinion and asking to not be attacekd in a debate. For those that do not know the true meaning of debate, here is the websters dictionary explanation: debate[1,noun]debate[2,verb]
Main Entry: 1de·bate Pronunciation: \di-ˈbāt, dē-\ Function: noun Date: 13th century : a contention by words or arguments: as a: the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b: a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides.[/unquote] I highlighted the second instance as it is the one that pertains here. This thread/debate is regulated by the moderators and owners of Just Say Hi. what this means is they set and enforce the rules and we have to comply. One of these rules is to discuss and "debate" without attacking or insulting others. The whole list of rules and guidelines is available at the top of each forum, so I am not going to copy them out here. I, for one, know I have crossed the line a couple times in the past, as I am sure several people have, unintentionally. The point is, if you can not remain calm and rational, then you need to step back and refrain from posting until you can. Otherwise the moderators will be coming in here, and getting involved and none of us wants that, now do we? (forgive me mods if I stepped on your shoes. I just dont wanna see another good debate locked, if it can be avoided  |
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I'm pro-life, abortion is murder. There's no way around it preventing human life is the same as taking it away. no heart,no brain.Where is the human life? |
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It is still a woman's body regardless to your wanting to make it more. She has the choice. Once children can be carried and birthed by men then they to will know the joy and pain involved. Until then, a woman has a right to chose to bring a life into the world or not
You are absolutely right, a woman DOES have the right to choose wether or not to bring a child into this world. Here-in lies the misunderstanding. If the woman (or the man that will run away if the woman becomes pregnant) does not want to bring a baby into this world, then you should be CHOOSING to not have sex in the first place. Pregnancy is the NATURAL result of sexual activity; it is what you have sex for. Now, for those that will argue for the instance of rape, I am sorry, but in my opinion, it is simply another issue to bring against the rapist, although I can definitely understand and sympathise the resent and even hatred some might feel towards delivering the child. And for those that argue for the case of imminent death for the mother, I am sorry, but you chose to have sex, then you need to be prepared for the consequences of that action. About the ONLY time I can possibly think of condoning an abortion would be if it was able to be proven beyond a doubt, that the child would be born dead anyway. But generally speaking, it all boils down to when the woman (or man) should be making their choice, which is BEFORE a pregnancy occurs, not after. So if a woman is raped she should raise the child? You won't even give her the morning after pill, which by the way most pregnancies happen 24-48 hours after sex and what the morning after pill does is prevent a pregnancy and not abort one, just so you all have your facts straight on this now. These argument simply go back to my previous statements that again certain men have been emasculated and now want total control of women to get back at the woman who did them wrong. It's a good thing people in congress don't listen to the ravings of lunatics. I agree that a woman should not have to raise a child, wehter it is from rape or not. I can also understand how a pregnancy on top of rape would be emotionally devestating for some women(and yes I say some women. I know one lady in particular that was impregnated due to rape, and she is extremely joyous to have the child in her life now, ten years later). But hte fact is, in my opinion, liofe starts at conception. It does not matter how the conception came about, it started, which means life started. And it would be wrong to abort (I use the term abort instead of kill or murder because someone resented my using that term before) the child, just because you did not have a choice in the matter. There is always adoption, adn no it does NOT cost the parent giving up for adoption, anything at all to adopt out, as adoption clinics and would-be odopters are almost always more than willing to pay all costs to have the child delived and brought to them. so its better to sell a baby to God knows who.. It is far beter to allow another couple who generally wants a child to have a child when it is not wanted, or can not be kept by its natural parent(s) yes. I personally wish it could be done for free, but this is humankind we are talking about, Nothing is free. Also, if you go through a boafide adoption agency, they WILL do a thourough background check and everything in its powere to make sure the child goes to a deserving and responsible family, as well as making sure they are financially capable of supporting a child. |
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I'm pro-life, abortion is murder. There's no way around it preventing human life is the same as taking it away. so preventing human life is murder, does that include wearing condom? |
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts. I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. Once again, what is flawed in the statement that no sex equals no pregnancies equals almost no need for abortions? You keep claiming my statement is flawed, yet you refuse to state how it is flawed. Please either explain how this statement is flawed, or back off and quitting coming after me to change my views. |
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts. I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. Once again, what is flawed in the statement that no sex equals no pregnancies equals almost no need for abortions? You keep claiming my statement is flawed, yet you refuse to state how it is flawed. Please either explain how this statement is flawed, or back off and quitting coming after me to change my views. Abstinence is a fairy tale.Seriously.Sex education should cover all options not just abstinence.Education is power.After I took sex ed I was so grossed out,I waited till I got married. |
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts. I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. Once again, what is flawed in the statement that no sex equals no pregnancies equals almost no need for abortions? You keep claiming my statement is flawed, yet you refuse to state how it is flawed. Please either explain how this statement is flawed, or back off and quitting coming after me to change my views. I tell you when you are wrong. Morning after pill Adoption agency statistics what else do you want. Daniel I'm not going to say it again, read up on what you are argueing about, before you make a statement. |
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I'm pro-life, abortion is murder. There's no way around it preventing human life is the same as taking it away. so preventing human life is murder, does that include wearing condom? Well... some catholics would say yes... However, these are 2 different things... condoms prevent STD's as well as are a form of birth control. I may have worded that wrong, but killing a fetus is the same as killing a human. |
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I'm pro-life, abortion is murder. There's no way around it preventing human life is the same as taking it away. so preventing human life is murder, does that include wearing condom? Well... some catholics would say yes... However, these are 2 different things... condoms prevent STD's as well as are a form of birth control. I may have worded that wrong, but killing a fetus is the same as killing a human. ok, honestly I was just checking to see what your whole stance was before I hammered you.  Kidding
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By the way Laura Lynn, you are really hot
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By the way Laura Lynn, you are really hot Too bad your anti-choice, cuz you wouldn't have a chance with me. |
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ahh that is too bad lol
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By the way Laura Lynn, you are really hot Too bad your anti-choice, cuz you wouldn't have a chance with me. game and match..
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts. I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. I know no one has attacked me, b/c I havent posted in here. I was saying I would appreciate not being attacked |
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts. I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. Once again, what is flawed in the statement that no sex equals no pregnancies equals almost no need for abortions? You keep claiming my statement is flawed, yet you refuse to state how it is flawed. Please either explain how this statement is flawed, or back off and quitting coming after me to change my views. Abstinence is a fairy tale.Seriously.Sex education should cover all options not just abstinence.Education is power.After I took sex ed I was so grossed out,I waited till I got married. Forgive me if I come off pushing abstinance only. I also agree with all forms of birth control, I just do not agree that abortion is a viable mode of birth control. I agree that sex ed needs to be taught in the schools, and that it needs to cover all areas of prevention not only of pregnancies but of std's. Abstinance is not for everyone, however I do firmly believee that in the end you Should not have the right to choose non-life over life after pregnancy occurs. |
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no one attacked you lonely, please read threw the posts. I do not attack pro-life stance as long as it is not shoved down my throat. again as a rehash, I do not believe in abortion for myself, but will never tell someone else what they can or cannot do. Daniel, you throw out flawed facts then overlook them to say, yes you believe that abortion is wrong. Your whold stance is that abortion is wrong, you have yet to show any viable reason besided your point of view to say why. When you have something besides opinion to back your statements, we will continue. Once again, what is flawed in the statement that no sex equals no pregnancies equals almost no need for abortions? You keep claiming my statement is flawed, yet you refuse to state how it is flawed. Please either explain how this statement is flawed, or back off and quitting coming after me to change my views. I tell you when you are wrong. Morning after pill Adoption agency statistics what else do you want. Daniel I'm not going to say it again, read up on what you are argueing about, before you make a statement. Everything you just stated has absolutely nothing to do with my statement that no sex equals no pregnancy equals less need for abortion. PLEASE ANSWER HOW THIS STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE. PLEASE STATE HOW YOU CAN HAVE A PREGNANCY AND THUS NEED AN ABORTION IF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD SEX. (And dont you even dare try bringing in articial insemination cause that would just be doubly damned in my eyes as you intentionally got pregnant then chose to abort) |
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