You are seeing this from the perspective of someone who isn't dealing with this, someone who DOESN'T have to deal with this. You may see this as a problem but it seems you are in a position of "it's not my problem it's not a problem". If this was happening in New Zealand, stressing the countries resources, taking resources your citizens need and redirecting those resources to people in your country illegally then perhaps your perspective would be different.

Also can you show me when I said ANYTHING about rape or murder in this thread? It's true that everyone does have capacity to commit crimes, to not follow laws, but people with integrity and morals don't break laws, That also includes immigration laws.

The government knows where I live, where I work, how much my house is worth, and how much I make. They tax me based on these things, they use that tax money to pay for everyone that works for the government, military, schools, roads, etc. They also use some of that money to give food, housing, and healthcare to those who can't afford it. When somebody is undocumented they have no idea where they live or how much they make. There is no way to know exactly how many of them are here, it's all a guess, and even when they do know the exist such as enrolling their children in our schools for the most part they are not tracked. I pay for my own healthcare, but anybody can show up at the ER and get healthcare, or have their child which is then automatically considered a US citizen. Some of these people work for cash, some use false documents, if I tried using false documents the government would come down on me hard. Others somehow apply for government assistance, and somehow they are not tracked either. If everybody in the country decided they took could go undocumented the government wouldn't have money to do anything with (well they would probably just print more of this imaginary money they like so much). Not all of these people crossed the boarder illegally, many people came here legally on Visa's but when the time on that ran out they chose not to return back to their country. They give Visa's for schooling and work, it's supposed to be a temporary thing, they can apply for citizenship while they are here but that can be very expensive and time consuming.
There are many migrant workers picking out fruits and vegetables and working in our meat packing plants, this keeps prices down but there is always a hidden cost we don't realize. Many also work in the service industries in the kitchens of restaurants, cleaning hotels and offices, or in construction. They send money back to their country which messes with our economy, they make less money which makes it harder for legal employees to get what they are worth.
It's not about stopping people from getting in, it's about controlling the number and type of people getting in, and keeping track of them like the government does with the legal citizens. Making a level playing field so that everybody carries their own weight. I would be OK with some kind of trade arrangements where we send some of our unwanted people in exchange for some people who want to come here and work. It seems only fair that the give and take balances out.

Having a small island nation, I can imagine that the immigration policy is strictly adhered to, otherwise social programs, joblessness, housing, etc will end up dysfunctional. I believe this type of control is what these people here are speaking to and the lawlessness may have foreseen and unforeseen consequences - I'm sure you can understand that

Hey all, new here, but not new to this frustrating situation. I've another take on this and the possible reasons behind the three-monkey syndrome (see-hear-speak no evil). It is at first maybe hard to swallow, maybe you think I'm crazy, maybe I am, but all I know is it "is" the only way to achieve what was thought to be theoretically impossible.

So, first, please understand this is not to add to the hysteria, confusion, prejudice or any of the possible negative effects resultant from this very crazy situation. I am bringing this to everyone's attention I can as it is what it is and you'll clearly see that very shortly and why it could be very important.

America is for all intents and purposes a country pretty much immune to conventional assault or invasion due to it's very specific and highly unusual geographic and geological configuration and actual physical makeup. For summary's sake I'm going to forgo certain names and so on of landmarks as the names aren't important as much as their presence.

On the Eastern and Western coasts of our country there is limited landing area, but sufficient for landing parties on either side. That is the extent of the military possibilities, even in the face of heavy defenses, of any other country attacking ours. From this point forward everything becomes increasingly more difficult exponentially and is due in most part because of the very large mountain ranges that run most of the north/south lengths of each coast, making any such attempt to invade the center-mass of our country, where they majority of our military's might resides and almost every resource we need to be self-sufficient in defending ourselves.

Once landed on our shores and all personnel and armor and so on are deployed for transport to the battle front, thus ends their ability to proceed forward with any success. They would have met with substantially more advanced defenses that would have eliminated at least one-quarter of the enemy forces. They are landed and have taken some losses. They are now ready to begin the march forward and inland.

Next they have to make their way through heavily populated areas which are most of the available landing points and one or two more with much less population, but rapidly accessible to near-by stationed US military defenses. Should they be blessed and have lady luck herself with them and make it inland, and through the most heavily armed civilian population that boasts even more small and medium arms than many other country's military forces, again with an unbelievable amount of luck and misfortune on America's side, then your would begin the long and absolute 100% fatal journey up the side of a gigantic mountain range that is heavily defended 24/7 by simple military presence and having the proverbial high ground of all high grounds to simply exterminate the enemy forces like like so many fish in a barrel.

It is estimated to be impossible for any known military force to successfully gain enough of an upper hand to ever gain the high ground, and without such, everyone dies as the rear will be closing-up behind you requiring constant forward movement to avoid fighting on two fronts, even though the second would be much the same as having a high ground mentioned earlier, but this is drastically offset by the forward fighting required and so your virtually guaranteed certain failure and death. Your surrounded in effect!

The ability to supply the high ground forces literally indefinitely from the heart of our country enjoying the resources and personnel that is in excess of so many more than any landing force could ever hope to pull off. This scenario is almost identical on both the East and West coasts, with minor inconsequential differences. The theory and fact of the matter has been mathematically proven and history has not to date found a military force willing to give it a shot. Literally nobody is that stupid. So we enjoy what no other country anywhere on this planet enjoys, and that is true autonomy.

Some may be asking well, what about the North and South, Canada and Mexico? British Columbia is much the same situation as the entire West coast of America. That's the entry point from which a force might stand a chance, other wise if they go more north they've got the whole of the Alaskan US military and the Canadian forces to slow them a bit until our jets could attend and evaporate their entire force in seconds.

Mexico and the gulf are different but actually an even worse fate as we have our interests as far South as well, South America, and the closer you get to America the more defenses you will run into and with the Mexican Cartels manned and armed better than most small country's military forces and so much more savage and lawless. I can imagine it's not on anyone's battle plan to engage a Mexican Cartel just before engaging the actual enemy any time soon!

Because of this we have never been assaulted nor invaded, except internally by our ourselves!(IE:
American Civil War). This is the only way America could conceivably be invaded by an enemy force. They would need to be already present. Take into consideration that even 20% of those entering our country estimated at two million. That's an effective ground force of 400,000 infantry!!!

But, it gets worse, much worse. We are clueless they are here, right? So they have the liberty to move about and even become employed at practically anywhere they choose. This could already be happening and most of our key installations that are public entities, businesses could very easily be compromised and every single asset or resource we expect to be just a phone call away, are in fact never going to respond in the emergency that ensues. That would have a very, very disastrous and quit possibly a complete National Failure, meaning they would take over and all that would be left is to capture the Capital and execute all standing politicians and administration, and we all know how easy that is to do, thank you Donald Trump! America is no more!

Lets just say that they are decent with counterfeiting identification! I mean they are right here where they are all made, simple to have a few employees at wherever, too, right? So, now we have a direct failure of our military or at a minimum the support for said military, which is really the same thing, and it is unknown until the critical moment it's when it is needed and simply not available. Well, to us, anyway!!!

Another big problem for them is without being armed themselves, and attempting to acquire so many firearms is sure to red flag even the greediest of Mafia Bosses into paranoia for themselves, at least! Where do they get the means to arm themselves? As mentioned in the beginning, American's are the most heavily armed civilian population on the planet. (No this is not a plug for gun control. This should paint the portrait of why)

There are so many scenarios that could have these individuals securing firearms from Americans, the least of which is to simply rob a house while the owners are at work. I cringe every time I say this, but they have had TWO YEARS to get busy, and even if they were incompetent civilians the odds are such with American home-owned firearms that they would easily prevail with plenty. At this stage we can stop because it's going to be wholesale slaughter of the American population when the coordinated bell is rung and actual Armageddon is released upon the unsuspecting citizens and military in the heart of our country where NO INVADING FORCE IS CAPABLE OF REACHING!

Except in this scenario which could so very easily already be in progress. Even at 10% which is 200,000 armed and critically placed enemy combatants literally standing, sleeping and living right next to every one of us right now! With some basic math, at 20% that's 8,332 combatants per 48 continental states EACH! At 10% 4,166 per state! that's a formidable when you know they are coming. It's some very serious carnage in every state at most critical points and military infrastructure!

As has been sounded in so many a cluster-fudge in so many battles past where the same tactics were pretty much 'taught' to us with no mercy: "CHARLIE IS INSIDE THE WIRE!"

Just to add a little realistic image to this scenario. About one month ago in a rural county in NC someone drove their truck thru a padlocked gate that was “ securing” a electrical substation and shot it up so bad that the power was out for two weeks before it could be restored. Imagine a organized effort to take out several of these stations around vital areas at the same time. These all important power stations are very poorly protected, mostly with no live personal to secure them. Now may be the time to look at what we take for granted and pay more attention to these things. Like said above we really have no idea who is in this country with all the got always we hear about.

I am from Canada. i thought i would listen to the news on sirus xm radio. when callers ask the radio station, the radio station say's I dont know with some spin in it. and the callers believe them.

same as in Canada, i noticed they do the same things. i noticed it in the sun, and heard it our our radio.

they are the ones wrecking the country, people are not smart enough to think for themselves. like the news station said he only cares for himself; is that reporting or biased.

Your absolutely right! With just a bare minimum of coordination there could be a complete failure of the entire US National Electrical Grid. There are some recent studies and reports on this very scenario floating around the internet and from one of these I was able to download, it was the opinion of the writer that the real problem is the age of our electrical grid. Many components are not made anymore, and why every failure takes more money and time to repair as they have to make-fit many of these repairs with newer components into an outdated substation or similar. Theoretically, each "patch" put in place puts more stress on the remaining older components, he showed to be not so theoretical but very actual. Almost the entire eastern seaboard is outdated by a whopping 40 years. The only reason it's still functional is the components were all American made at a time when American Made really meant something and why the entire world coveted American made anything!
It's projected that if there were an all out attack on our power grid and it succeeded at least 60%, the entire country would be without power for roughly 3-5 years and it would be another 3-5 years before all major cities were back online with an unbelievable 12-14 years for the entire grid to have been replaced with all new components!
All the undocumented individuals coming into our country is the largest threat to our national security that our country has ever faced in it's entire history! A few half-hearted trained civilians with cell phones could easily knock out so many more sub-stations than we could ever repair in time, and that's just one key part of our nation's defenses. There are other targets of opportunity that could literally turn each state into it's own battleground and have no communications other than hand-held to try and coordinate a defense from a large force of hostile combatants who have had free reign for 2+ years to get all their plans perfected.
What's really chilling is the fact that this is not even taking into consideration that these combatants are not going to be acting alone. They will definitely have massive support from offshore naval and air-forces knowing this is their one shot at taking down the giant and so you can bank on them bringing everything they have to bare on every possible front and this is exactly the scenario that everyone has preached like religion forever that just no way could ever happen.
If I were an invading force and certain projects were of a nature that they had to be made sure they would go as planned as everything else relies on the initial failure to snowball more failures and secure the victory, I would do exactly as has already been done for my test run to get total destruction requirements, hostile entry times and responses and so much more from a single seemingly random and ill-conceived angry-lashing-out and so not bring any unnecessary attention to your true motives, etc.
Extremely scary stuff and with an administration that I do not trust at all because of just too many very bad decisions and rampant corruption, I can't help but think we the citizens are going to "have to" form security groups and set up very quickly patrol zones most likely to incur enemy actions in order to bring this out in the open fast enough. We need to bring conclusive "red-handed" proof from many unconnected points of very connected actions for it to be taken seriously and the not have the enemy within media spin it into nothing and put everyone back to sleep again!

Peculiar that it's now suggested we should want refugees?
Why?

In all honesty most of the refugees that are trying to get into our Western countries only do so because they can have a better life there, NOT because they're in any danger where they are.

We also take on loads of refugees and 9 out of 10 times these are young men -think 19-20 yrs- and are so called 'fortune seekers'.
They do not have to flee from their country, they add nothing to ours, instead they just take.

As it is we have the highest population density in the EU and score high in that sense on a global level as well. Yet, the EU forces every member country -including us- to take on more, more, more.

Why is it selfish to not want that?
At some point a country is saturated and has no more reserves. Hell, we don't even have the space, literally!
We have over 17 million people on the size op a stamp.
This whole refugee thing has been going on from the 60. At the time it were people from former colonies, so in that sense they had more right, even though maybe not true legit reason.

Another thing... even for the legit ones wanting in our countries... there are still millions, possibly billions, in those countries of war & turmoil.
We cannot take them all on. It is simply impossible.
The rule of first aid applies: first take care of yourself before you (can) take care of another. If your own safety is endangered you do not help.
Or the aircraft rule: first put on your own oxygen mask before you help your children/others.
You cannot help anymore when you have crossed the line of giving & helping. We've crossed that decades ago.

What needs to happen is that those people do something in their own country to change the tide so it becomes safe there. Not go to Western countries because it's easy, taking advantage of our systems. They get houses, income, clothes, free healthcare, posh prams, they all have expensive mobiles, and so on.

It has become out of proportion.
And when something is not to their liking they scream bloody murder and get something better. We -the inhabitants of our countries- don't have those rights.

One last thing... why don't they FO back home when they can? Easy: you don't leave a warm nest where everything is given to you for free!
Even the ones that don't get status simply stay.

As for Germans wanting refugees and being welcoming... I think you confuse what the government wants (EU fans) and what the people want. Germany too is crammed! Couple years ago Germans got evicted from their own homes to make space for refugees!

Think that's impossible? There's talk of doing that here as well! To make space for the Ukrainians.

It’s crazy Biden wants to spend 100s of billions of $ on the US southern border but not one cent of that $$$ is for securing the border. Since oct. of last year there have been 100s of thousands of “ got aways “ no way of knowing if they are terrorists or what. Our government is spending taxpayers $$ for 1000s of hotel rooms to house these illegal immigrants while American citizens sleep in cardboard box’s in the streets. Now because of Biden pulling border gaurds from our northern border the illegal crossings coming through Canada has increased about 400%. And the Biden administration keeps telling us the borders are secure…. They haven’t come for the citizens homes yet but with these bunch of woke minded democrats in charge you never know…” out of my cold dead hands “comes to mind.

Yet still people vote Democrat. Unbelievable. I'm retired but I hope all those Democrats going to work tomorrow (do they even work?) are happy knowing they are working to pay for hotel rooms for illegals while veterans are on our streets. The illegals are now refusing to leave the hotels, DEMANDING that they wont accept the new location they need to move to (for free no less). Enjoy working for the UNGRATEFUL illegals tomorrow Dems. Your bleeding hearts were tricked once again now you/we will all pay the price for years into the future.

I'm actually okay with immigration.
What I don't like, is the game played
by both major political parties in my
country, on the subject of immigration.

My heart goes out to you. There's no America left it's all gone. What freedom we knew is gonna be gone forever because China is now taking over America. Believe me it is true . They have Chinese police stations in the US and if you think I'm lying then go check my ****. It's over they have us beat already.. but we've pulled off **** before that was phenomenal we'll do it again or we won't. It's obvious that the administration that's in right now is trying to the American people sink is what they're doing and we ain't gonna freak

My heart goes out to you. There's no America left it's all gone. What freedom we knew is gonna be gone forever because China is now taking over America. Believe me it is true . They have Chinese police stations in the US and if you think I'm lying then go check my ****. It's over they have us beat already.. but we've pulled off **** before that was phenomenal we'll do it again or we won't. It's obvious that the administration that's in right now is trying to the American people sink is what they're doing and we ain't gonna freak