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Topic: Flame on! I'm agnostic.
alex4nder's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:13 PM
Yea, I don't believe that there is enough evidence to support the fact that there is a god. As far as we know right now, however, there has to be a higher power. It's said that in history, religious organizations killed scientists who were more or less proving religion false. We answer the questions that we don't have answers to with religion. I believe that anyone with half a knowledge of history will see the flaws in the catholic church especially. Theres a reason the vadakin is one the most valuable countries. Lemme hear what you think.

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Sun 12/09/07 07:15 PM
I am a Christian. I see evidence of God everywhere. It amazes me.

wmyers4u's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:19 PM
Edited by wmyers4u on Sun 12/09/07 07:20 PM
I believe in God but I am not religious. I do not slam any particular religious cult either.

The one question I do have is, Where did the matter that makes up the universe come from? One more question. If everything has to have a beginning and an end, where does space and and what start where it ends?

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Sun 12/09/07 07:20 PM

It's said that in history, religious organizations killed scientists who were more or less proving religion false.


Who says that?

eternalsun's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:21 PM

I am a Christian. I see evidence of God everywhere. It amazes me.

No you see evidence of good deeds, kind people, etc but the actual evidence of god is not existant but in ones mind through belief. In my personal opinion religion was created to keep small minded people from asking questions about their kings, emperors or people in power. To claim that god is real is simply a false hope in life. Just ranting on, purely my opinions but if anyone can proove me wrong then please, do try.

unscarred's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:21 PM
God isn't a fact. It's a theory, just like evolution, the big bang, the moon landing, you name it. I applaud your bravery for admitting that you simply don't know. I'm right there with ya.

zman000081's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:21 PM
NO PROOF have you lost your mind. Miracles are preformed on a daily basis. You woke up didnt u count your blessings.

JoeKur's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:22 PM
No flammin' here man... not from me anyway...

that's why we call it Faith... if we had "Scientific" evidence, it wouldn't be faith, would it?

As for me, in all my years of scientific study, the more I know about the details of the facts of all sorts of things in the world, the more I know about the order, the organization, and the science behind all these things...

The more I'm Convinced there MUST be a God.

You're 18 and you're questioning the world... That's GREAT!

Perhaps if you were to take the case for Faith apart from religion you might have a different perspective.

BTW, you DO realize there's a difference between catholic (little C) and Catholic (BIG C), right... be sure to make the distiction when expressing a postulate.

Like Goofy said, the evidence is everywhere... and I'll tell ya, the more you dig into the evidence, scientifically, the more you'll realize there Must be a God.

I don't think I've hit exactly what you're saying, but I think this is a good start...

LadyValkyrie37's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:23 PM
Why would anyone want to flame you? Unless they are just out to proslytize you. Personally, I'm not like that. Have a nice life. :wink:

bryansayler's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:23 PM
the moon landing is a fact.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:23 PM
I happen to be christian, i think it is rather funny when scientist are proven wrong on a daily basis, with incorrect theories, and everything man does. As well maybe you have not given religion a shot, it seems you based your opinion on mans mistakes, if that was even true.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:24 PM

the moon landing is a fact.


you were there?

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Sun 12/09/07 07:24 PM
NO...Let me repeat myself. I said I see evidence of God everywhere and that is exactly what I meant.

wouldee's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:25 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 12/09/07 07:26 PM
You say, 'the fact that there is a God' and then preface that with 'I don't believe there is enough evidence'.

You bring up religion, then bring up religious organizations and then add the Vatican's wealth into the mix without tying it together.

This is going to get messy.

Good luck!


smokin drinker bigsmile

eternalsun's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:25 PM

NO PROOF have you lost your mind. Miracles are preformed on a daily basis. You woke up didnt u count your blessings.

It is a miracle that I woke up? Why wouldnt I? I'm young, healthy, strong, why wouldnt I wake up. Its sure as hell not because god wanted me to wake up.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:26 PM

NO...Let me repeat myself. I said I see evidence of God everywhere and that is exactly what I meant.


i thought you explained it well the first time =)

alex4nder's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:26 PM
Don't get my wrong. I have given religion a thought. I went to CCD for 12 years and attended a catholic school. My family is hard core catholic, and I'm greatly belittled for not believing. I just choose science over god.

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Sun 12/09/07 07:26 PM
God is amazing and He really does exist. I am so blessed to know that and to be so completely sure of that.

wmyers4u's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:27 PM

I happen to be christian, i think it is rather funny when scientist are proven wrong on a daily basis, with incorrect theories, and everything man does. As well maybe you have not given religion a shot, it seems you based your opinion on mans mistakes, if that was even true.


Religion can't disprove a theory. A better theory can discredit a theory or facts can disprove it.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:27 PM


NO PROOF have you lost your mind. Miracles are preformed on a daily basis. You woke up didnt u count your blessings.

It is a miracle that I woke up? Why wouldnt I? I'm young, healthy, strong, why wouldnt I wake up. Its sure as hell not because god wanted me to wake up.


Lol, God bless you refers to a term when you sneeze your heart stops. Im blessed that i have the ability each day to "get up" with full eye sight, walking legs, good health, a postive attitude, and great friends. But then again this would be accredited to evolution?

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