Topic: Flame on! I'm agnostic.
KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:50 PM





Sure they did, and King James had it edited:)


So when the rewrite the science books some editior, re-wrote SCIENCE then right? Dont come to me with childish counter points.

If you actually did read the bible man takes no credit for writing the bible and actually the bible was written through the holy ghost.


So the holy ghost penned it? What is the King James version that is commonly distribute in the United States then?

Not to be a jerk, I would like more information on how you came to this conclusion.


I have had feelings before and im sure you have heard them on T.V talking about this. I had a feeling to give someone money, for some reason i thought i should give this man $20. He happened to have needed it for his family since there was no food in the house. Luck? What about cancer? I thought cancer had to be treated? Havent you heard of cancer disappearing? Wait this conflicts with science.... What im saying is.

Man used pen and paper to write the bible, yes. But the words of the bible are by God. This is stated in the bible. As well to think about how "MEN" are, we all want credit for somthing we did. Budah, muslim, Mormon. All these people link to "someone" man.. The bible doesnt have a certain someone starting such.

wmyers4u's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:52 PM

The Bible was inspired by God through the holy ghost.


....and penned by humans and collectively added to the book that today we call the Bible...but it was still penned by humans that are well known for not being perfect.

I am not slamming the Bible or belittling the content, just stating that it was penned by humans.

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Sun 12/09/07 07:53 PM



Where you there when god created earth? Or when jesus was crucified? No no no! You were not. Your "god is real" stories are no more factual than me saying man had landed on the moon because neither one of us were there to see it, first hand.


So, your premise is that nothing exists unless it is witnessed first hand by the observer. I haven't seen Europe, but, I'm fairly certain it's there... I don't see air, but, dang, I'm pretty sure IT's there too...

And, God, in Job, tells Job much of what you're saying... "Where you THERE when..." etc... so, in a way, you're kinda makin' the point for us...

No. I was pointing out that kalamazoo asked if bryan had been to the moon when the lunar ship landed to which I rebutled had he been there to see jesus crucified or god make earth. I cannot proove evolution created man just like you cannot proove god created man but there are facts that make evolution more believeable than an "easy way out" in thinking god created us. Man has been asking this question forever but we will never have proof of anything untill we can travel through time and find out first hand.

that's our line between faith and fact... faith makes what can't be proven our fact.

I think Evolution is Man's attempt to explain what God did... really - Evolution and Creation don't necessarily have to be in conflict... like so many things we do scientificaly.

Evolution makes a LOT of sense to me - it doesn't have to negate my belief that God made it all happen.

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Sun 12/09/07 07:54 PM


The Bible was inspired by God through the holy ghost.


....and penned by humans and collectively added to the book that today we call the Bible...but it was still penned by humans that are well known for not being perfect.

I am not slamming the Bible or belittling the content, just stating that it was penned by humans.


This is why I feel it's important to Pray before reading... It's a living document.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:55 PM


Ok, then. That's your thing. I just wonder what your eternity will be like when your body is dead and gone....but that is not for me to worry about. Responding to eternalsun.
my screen name is just that a screen name. It has nothing to do with anything. When I die you know all that is going to happen? I'm gonna rot in a wooden grave eventually feeding worms and flies untill I become a permanent part of this earth.


This is my biggest problem with people that done believe in God. In a sence there are reasons for why things happen in this earth. The seasons all make sence and im sure you all know why we have them. But for Humans to experience Love, Happiness, Sadness, Greed, Evil, Lust, and all these emotions. WOuldnt Evolution had been smarter and more logicall to cancel these emotions out in the "Growth" stage? Seriously think about it. All species besides ours does not have such emotions. But we evolved? Evolving by developing hate? Lust? why allow us to set standards on who we marry, get divorces? This all makes no sence in a evolution stand-point.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:56 PM
Edited by KalamazooGuy87 on Sun 12/09/07 07:57 PM

....and penned by humans and collectively added to the book that today we call the Bible...but it was still penned by humans that are well known for not being perfect.

I am not slamming the Bible or belittling the content, just stating that it was penned by humans.


But again you are assuming, you were not there nor were you these people who wrote these books. So becasue of this you base your religion?

eternalsun's photo
Sun 12/09/07 07:58 PM






Sure they did, and King James had it edited:)


So when the rewrite the science books some editior, re-wrote SCIENCE then right? Dont come to me with childish counter points.

If you actually did read the bible man takes no credit for writing the bible and actually the bible was written through the holy ghost.


So the holy ghost penned it? What is the King James version that is commonly distribute in the United States then?

Not to be a jerk, I would like more information on how you came to this conclusion.


I have had feelings before and im sure you have heard them on T.V talking about this. I had a feeling to give someone money, for some reason i thought i should give this man $20. He happened to have needed it for his family since there was no food in the house. Luck? What about cancer? I thought cancer had to be treated? Havent you heard of cancer disappearing? Wait this conflicts with science.... What im saying is.

Man used pen and paper to write the bible, yes. But the words of the bible are by God. This is stated in the bible. As well to think about how "MEN" are, we all want credit for somthing we did. Budah, muslim, Mormon. All these people link to "someone" man.. The bible doesnt have a certain someone starting such.

Well who is to say the book I wrote telling of me being a god and how I created mankind is false? It says it in there, it says I created mankind and I am the true god. I am god. haha How stupid is that? Pretty fuxin stupid. Much like anything in the bible saying so and so is god or sos and so died for your sins thousands of years ago, bla bla bla. Its all a myth, a make believe story. Untill god comes down here and slaps me in the face and tells me how bad ive been it just a freakin story. Just like santa.

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Sun 12/09/07 07:59 PM



Ok, then. That's your thing. I just wonder what your eternity will be like when your body is dead and gone....but that is not for me to worry about. Responding to eternalsun.
my screen name is just that a screen name. It has nothing to do with anything. When I die you know all that is going to happen? I'm gonna rot in a wooden grave eventually feeding worms and flies untill I become a permanent part of this earth.


This is my biggest problem with people that done believe in God. In a sence there are reasons for why things happen in this earth. The seasons all make sence and im sure you all know why we have them. But for Humans to experience Love, Happiness, Sadness, Greed, Evil, Lust, and all these emotions. WOuldnt Evolution had been smarter and more logicall to cancel these emotions out in the "Growth" stage? Seriously think about it. All species besides ours does not have such emotions. But we evolved? Evolving by developing hate? Lust? why allow us to set standards on who we marry, get divorces? This all makes no sence in a evolution stand-point.


Some animals mate for life. Coudln't this be described as a lifelong commitment to the other animal? Why does a dog get hyper when you get home? Is this not an emotion? I understand what you are saying, but I personally think that we are not alone in these feelings you mention.

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Sun 12/09/07 07:59 PM
I think it is good and normal at your age to question the exsistance of God, I myself am not christian, and I was about your age when I first started ?ing. Blind faith is a scary thing. It has lead to atrosities such as WW2 and other exterminations. ? all things, at all times. That is a smart thing to do. You'll find your path, We are all going to the same place, we just choose different ways to get there.

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Sun 12/09/07 08:02 PM

Well who is to say the book I wrote telling of me being a god and how I created mankind is false? It says it in there, it says I created mankind and I am the true god. I am god. haha How stupid is that? Pretty fuxin stupid. Much like anything in the bible saying so and so is god or sos and so died for your sins thousands of years ago, bla bla bla. Its all a myth, a make believe story. Untill god comes down here and slaps me in the face and tells me how bad ive been it just a freakin story. Just like santa.


This is where you have to think. In all honesty if you believe man has the ability to creat the bible and do it well. Dont you think science as well has the power to creat such lies? Stupid, i think we are all grown up enough to avoid name calling. This is why Religion isnt "easy', nor did God say it would. Like parenting wouldnt the easy thing to do is to give the kid everything he wants and never punish him? Wouldnt this be great, but would he grow? Would he become selfish? So for me to say Religion is somthing that should come easy is not. It takes alot of faith to acquire somthing. But i can tell you Eternalsun, if you ever start thinking outside the box and get "that feeling" once in your life, you will be singing a different tune this, Is my fact in religion.

wmyers4u's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:03 PM


....and penned by humans and collectively added to the book that today we call the Bible...but it was still penned by humans that are well known for not being perfect.

I am not slamming the Bible or belittling the content, just stating that it was penned by humans.


But again you are assuming, you were not there nor were you these people who wrote these books. So becasue of this you base your religion?


I base my beliefs on my convictions. I try to live by the Bibles teachings, but I also concede that it was written by man and therefore understand why some people could doubt or question its teachings.

kidatheart70's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:03 PM
How incredibly egotistical some people are to assume that they could ever exist without God. It makes me very sad


Ego has nothing to do with it. I just simply don't believe that god is anything like what is described in the bible or other like books, if there really is a god.
Can't be proven either way and the need for some to argue this is what is truly sad.
It's a matter of belief, or lack thereof.:wink:

eternalsun's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:04 PM



Ok, then. That's your thing. I just wonder what your eternity will be like when your body is dead and gone....but that is not for me to worry about. Responding to eternalsun.
my screen name is just that a screen name. It has nothing to do with anything. When I die you know all that is going to happen? I'm gonna rot in a wooden grave eventually feeding worms and flies untill I become a permanent part of this earth.


This is my biggest problem with people that done believe in God. In a sence there are reasons for why things happen in this earth. The seasons all make sence and im sure you all know why we have them. But for Humans to experience Love, Happiness, Sadness, Greed, Evil, Lust, and all these emotions. WOuldnt Evolution had been smarter and more logicall to cancel these emotions out in the "Growth" stage? Seriously think about it. All species besides ours does not have such emotions. But we evolved? Evolving by developing hate? Lust? why allow us to set standards on who we marry, get divorces? This all makes no sence in a evolution stand-point.
So you are telling me when a dog sees a big peice of meat and another dog and then fights for the meat it is not greed? The dog is not being greedy in wanting the entire peice of meat? Or when male deer fight its not evil at all, their just seeing how strong their horns are? Soemone could say I am evil because I can sit here and look down on the idea of "god" but I am not evil. I don't rape little boys, or kill in the name of my belief, fight because my belief is better than yours. lol Religions cause war, heartache, misery, hate, greed, evil people, bad things. I wish satan were real just so I could say I am a satanist in hopes to further piss you guys off.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:04 PM


Some animals mate for life. Coudln't this be described as a lifelong commitment to the other animal? Why does a dog get hyper when you get home? Is this not an emotion? I understand what you are saying, but I personally think that we are not alone in these feelings you mention.


Lets be realistic. Do the animals kill themselves, beat thier wives? In a very basic sence your right. Are the animals picky on thier wives, and leave whene ever things get rough?

Not saying that Dogs dont show emotion, casue emotions is required to live. Emotion to our degree i have never seen in any other mammal? Have you never seen an animal that was uncomfortable with the way they LOOK? This emotion is what level i am at,....

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:07 PM


I base my beliefs on my convictions. I try to live by the Bibles teachings, but I also concede that it was written by man and therefore understand why some people could doubt or question its teachings.


I agree translations are not 100% accurate nor even an accurate trasnlation would make 100% sence. Question everything =)

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Sun 12/09/07 08:08 PM


I wish satan were real just so I could say I am a satanist in hopes to further piss you guys off.


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wmyers4u's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:10 PM



Some animals mate for life. Coudln't this be described as a lifelong commitment to the other animal? Why does a dog get hyper when you get home? Is this not an emotion? I understand what you are saying, but I personally think that we are not alone in these feelings you mention.


Lets be realistic. Do the animals kill themselves, beat thier wives? In a very basic sence your right. Are the animals picky on thier wives, and leave whene ever things get rough?

Not saying that Dogs dont show emotion, casue emotions is required to live. Emotion to our degree i have never seen in any other mammal? Have you never seen an animal that was uncomfortable with the way they LOOK? This emotion is what level i am at,....


The female turkey find a male turkey with more facial"red" growth more attractive...or so they say, but I am not a turkey, LOL Some animals are selective in choosing a mate, if they had pretty little sports cars, they might use that to judge their mate as well. My point is that to some extent it is normal, but humans are manipulated by our culture to act this way. We call it progress:(

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Sun 12/09/07 08:13 PM


The female turkey find a male turkey with more facial"red" growth more attractive...or so they say, but I am not a turkey, LOL Some animals are selective in choosing a mate, if they had pretty little sports cars, they might use that to judge their mate as well. My point is that to some extent it is normal, but humans are manipulated by our culture to act this way. We call it progress:(


Progess, in a backward sence. im asking why would evolution to allow us think such thoughts, since we came from a species who did not think such thoughts. That is my questions. Does this really sound strong to you?

I dont disagree with evolution since, we all grow and learn, evolution is very real to me, it take some things too far. This is when "theories" come into play..

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Sun 12/09/07 08:14 PM



Some animals mate for life. Coudln't this be described as a lifelong commitment to the other animal? Why does a dog get hyper when you get home? Is this not an emotion? I understand what you are saying, but I personally think that we are not alone in these feelings you mention.


Lets be realistic. Do the animals kill themselves, beat thier wives? In a very basic sence your right. Are the animals picky on thier wives, and leave whene ever things get rough?

Not saying that Dogs dont show emotion, casue emotions is required to live. Emotion to our degree i have never seen in any other mammal? Have you never seen an animal that was uncomfortable with the way they LOOK? This emotion is what level i am at,....
Yes animal beat each other. Yes animals kill each other. Animals sometimes can change the way they look to attract the opposite sex which is what we do by loosing weight, putting on makeup, wearing revealing clothes, etc. We are just like animals in everyway, just way smarter (in some aspects) and way way way more destructive, to ourselves, our kind, our planet, everything.

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Sun 12/09/07 08:15 PM
Edited by KalamazooGuy87 on Sun 12/09/07 08:18 PM



I wish satan were real just so I could say I am a satanist in hopes to further piss you guys off.





This is why i am here not to piss myself off, but to help. Regardless of if you think i am helping or not. Its not about voicing my opinion so i am right, i am trying to take people into the right direction and through the wisdom of God i have done, so, wether what you think about this plays any relevance wont bother me.. Just letting you know it wouldnt make me mad.


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