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"Without any real girl would knock me"

Knock" me?
As in "up"?
"Knock" on my door?

Translator issue?

Actually better to ask who you are interested in.

Women don't chase after men, unless he has the skills to initiate the chase in the first place.

Any man you're chasing already knows that he has you chasing him.

@ Fritzo

You may have a good point!

I think the focus of this thread is the initial contact.
I have had many women that were interested in me that never grabbed my attention. Had they given me some kind of positive attention, then I would know.

Example: The woman seems to be completely out of my league. Never-the-less she is interested in me. Since I see her as not possible, I dismiss her. If she never makes her interest known to me, we may never 'find' each other. If she gives me positive signals, I then have a reason to try.

Online, men set their sights higher but in real life, we tend to sell ourselves short.
Online, men might attempt a connection with all the finest women but in real life, face to face possibility of rejection causes us to focus on the ones that seem easiest to approach.

Something to consider is online, if women were more forward, how would you feel? That's what happened to me recently. A woman, online at M2, expressed interest in me even tho she 'looked' out of my league.
Then, after we met, she continued to instigate the encounters.

The OP wants to know how and when she should make the first move to a man she is interested in. That's the 'focus' of the thread.
She wants to know if men appreciate (act favorably) to a woman making the first move (again, the 'focus' of the thread).

The 'focus' is not how men make the first move.

When you think about it, like I previously noted, the woman always gives some type of initial signal to the men she is interested in.
It might 'seem' like men always make the first move, but that's not really true. Men pick-up on that 'signal' and respond or don't according to their preferences.

The focus is about what she can say or do, not natural conditions (pheromones, breasts, rear end, hair, etc...)or introductions of a 'friend'.
The 'active' actions and words that say to the man, "hey, I'm interested in you for something more".

Thanks Tom, you explained what I was looking for very well.

I like the way you put it, " Hey I'm interested in you for something more".

So men, how does that sound to you? If a woman approached you and said she'd like to date you, how would you respond?

And if course it's subject to whether or not you find her attractive. So with all conditions right, say it's someone you like too but haven't done anything about it, if she asked first would you be okay with that?

Well... since blurting out YES! and I'm free right now!, before she completed her sentence might seem a little desperate...

Seriously though, I would be honored and flattered. It would feel so good to be noticed and acknowledged like that. To experience in person, a woman directly showing that she's attracted to me, and interested in getting to know me, would be such a gift to my soul.

Unless there was an obvious age difference of more than say 20 years, or some other glaring cause for concern, I think I'd agree to an introductory date.

For me there would be trust issue!!!!

Just knowing she is willing to chat and get acquainted is a great starter. Even if it was someone I wasn't interested in or didn't see the possibility at first glance, that indication of interest is going to get a conversation started!! One never knows what awaits in an unknown situation.

much thing can be said for the detail of this sentence (cohesion of characters, passivation of undesirable characters, sacrifices as).

it is taking time write a detail with translation.

Lol 'I'm pretty good at turning women off"

I agree, there are certain limits a man will not "participate' to a come-on.
These limits are often notated in proflies but in real-life you don't have the luxury of a profile.

The point is, there is a certain amount of 'chance' in any encounter, online or off.

It's important to remember that it may not even be an issue with the woman. It may be an issue with the man's expectations of the woman he considers a match.
Do, ladies, just because you strike out when you make the first move doesn't indicate there is anything wrong with you, per se.
It only means that the man you are approaching is does not thing you are a potential.
Its not the 'first move' that puts them off, its their preferences as to the woman they want.

There are a couple ways to handle such a rejection.

You can try again later after they have time to consider you as a potential.

You can move to the next potential 'target'.

You can try to change their minds.

Of those three, I feel the chaning their minds right now is the worst way to get what you want.

Moving on seems to be the next and most prudent choice.
Moving on may result in them now seeking you out.
I just wouldn't count on that, as a rule of thumb.

Trying again later seems to be the most prudent action.
You have set the seed and you give it time for it to sink in.
During that time, you posture in front of your target in such a way to allow them to consider you as a potential and then, at the right time, you again approach them.

However, you gotta be paying attention to how they react to your presence in general.
A man that is interested will 'focus' on you anytime you are in their view.
If they are not interested, you will sense that they are not checking you out from afar.

A man will try to be in the place where you are at if they are interested.
So, if you see him everytime you look around, chances are, he's checking you out.
Just understand that in some circumstances, his presence may not be to check you out.
Work environments can cause a man to be in your presence without checking you out.
At these times, you need to pay attention to where his focus is.

If they seems to be focused on you, seem to always be where you will be or purposely change their habits, which you have already observed, to be around you, chances are, its time to approach them again.

Thanks Techno for your response. I like the way you think and see things. It's very positive and refreshing.

I've been pursued and it never turned out good in the end, so I'd be hesitant to just jump at the chance now, not that it'll ever happen again.

Understandable! A few of my attempts at initiating have gone sour and it effected my trying again in the future. But I realized I was looking at it in a non-productive way. I was seeing it as a failure rather than practice and taking the risk.

Taking the risk takes courage and not letting the ones that don't produce positive results get you down makes us stronger... least that's how I see it now. I'm discovering a lot of good in what I used to see as bad and I believe that's what life is all about... kind of like making banana bread with the bruised bananas rather than tossing them out.

Thanks for sharing Stu

Very true! Thanks for commenting Oldkid

Good points Tom, your comments are very helpful and appreciated.

It makes sense to move on if he doesn't respond in your favor at first. Trying to convince anyone that they should go out with you changes the whole dynamics and not in a good way. Personally if I say no, then further pursuits right away make me uncomfortable and I'm more likely to get annoyed rather than flattered.

There's a fine line when it becomes pushy rather than just being persistent. I would rather he give me a little space and try again later. If I still feel the same way then let it go and move on. What I hear you saying is that it's the same way with most men.

Also there's always the chance that he just doesn't feel the chemistry. Like you said, it's nothing to do with the woman, it's just not there. I think that's the hardest thing for us to deal with. It feels personal when we're rejected, and even though on some level it is personal, it's not... least not in a bad way. Just means we haven't found the right one yet.

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