He didn't "allow" anything to happen in that quote God directed the death of innocent infants

Wow you are weird. Ok Christians don't think babies are full of sin. Its called original sin and in Christianity everyone has it. It also doesn't make them any less wonderful.

I know that Rabbit. But you see - that's the trouble with Trolls like you. You hear what you want, and think what you want - and don't pay any attention to what others say because you have a personal agenda - such as:




Now when are you going to adress the abortion question? No wait - YOU'RE A TROLL - you didn't read, nor comprehend the question. So - don't bother.

My GOSH!! Will you stop with the "innocent baby" thing already?

Innocents are killed and die everyday. I would be willing to bet that many who stick to this kind of discussion are also NOT against the killing (abortion) of innocents for whatever reason.

Our own Vietnam vets have been called baby killers. Babies are killed everyday in Iraq and Pakastan, etc...

I will not open that can of worms for discussion. Abortion, that is.


I am tired of reading that same ole same ole. Okay, I can choose to leave and not read, but I come in to see if there is something else being said.

Sorry, venting, I guess.

Kat

I could never look at a baby and call it a sinner. I think babies are beautiful and wonderful and perfect. Not a blemish. To think that your religion can make you think that there is a flaw there is very disturbing.

Good luck with all that name calling. I did address the abortion issue. I said you had probably resolved it with your belief that babies that are killed are meant for the great beyond, were we cannot question the methods of God. Teach your beliefs on the Bible to all your Christian brethren and there will be no abortion issue.

I am once again

drawn in to explain in simple terms so that the rabbit may understand. Abortion is always a no no in God's eyes....plain and simple...but alas little children die everyday.....does that mean they are sinful.....no......because of Adam and Eve every single human being on this planet is pre-disposed to evil...this in no way says they are going to be evil.....When any child dies they are innocents and will be with God.......Jesus also loves the children beyond all else. When the disciples tried to keep the children from Jesus when he was preaching Jesus said No......always let the children come and I will pray for them. Also look at it another way.....we as humans don't and won't ever really know for what reason God does what he does. There might be a greater good for a child dying that we again as humans can't even imagine.

Also another big key factor is that no one can really sin until he/she chooses to do so....Innocents lil children until they can choose and decide for themselves between right and wrong will be innocents.

Now also if I thought you were asking ligit questions out of really wanting to know.....I would stay and try with all that is me....But you are not......You want to argue and fight and anger all that step into your threads.....Its a sad sad thing....Because alot of people in this threads talking to you are really genuine awesome people....One being Eljay....That is a Godly Godly man.....and you would be wise rabbit to listen sometimes instead of planning your comback before you absorb what is trying to be said.

And feral when this Godly Eljay calls me a "Troll"

What part of him is that the genuine one or the awesome one?

Because you bring people beyond the frustration level....And even the best Christian is still human rabbit...When they tell you things over and over and over and over and you still don't or more then likely wont get it.....you bring them to the brink......and honestly its just my opinion and you would have to ask Eljay hy he called you a troll....I know with you and funches and abra and redy I have had to leave, and pray and scream and even stomp and ask the Lord above for forgiveness for my thoughts.....giggle....but I still love you all.....you can just get frustrating.

Ephesians 2:1-3:

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Tell me what that means to you rabbit

I'm waiting patiently sweet rabbit....giggle

Children of wrath....

Why would God have wrath on children? Would he have wrath on innocent children?

See you need to understand what you are reading before you condemn rabbit......This is old condition.....dead to God.....now if you of read on to Ephesians 2: 4-10 this is the New Condition Alive to God.......Go read again and then come back and give me your feelings on this again.

I don't have to I can see what the Bible says and I understand it. Many many Christians say it has just the meaning I gave to you. Here is a different one...


Psalm 14:2-3 (King James Version)

2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

When He is refering to "children of man" He is refering to us all. We adults are called children of man. A child of God. Even up to and when we are 120, we will be called "children of men and God".

You have just got "child" stuck in your head and will not see it any other way.

Kat

If I bring up a verse that says "all" you guys say that it means age of reason, If I bring in one that says "child" you guys say it means man. I don't think I am the one twisting words here.

here's another for the pile-


Ecclesiastes 9:3 (King James Version)

3This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/enoch5.html

I think spider is saying sinner begot sinner all after there own kind.

I read an report about a young boy of around 3 or 4 who stole his mothers car and went to the video store after she went to sleep. The store was closed, so the boy drove back home. On the way, a cop stopped him. The boy was taken home to his mother and no charges were filed because he was just a child.

I read a report about a young girl of around 2 or 3 who took a deactivated cell phone and used it to call 911 hundreds of times over a period of a few days. She was just playing with it. The police didn't arrest her, although they would have arrested an adult. They simply warned her mother to keep her daughter away from cell phones.

What does this have to do with anything? I believe that children sin. They start lying around six months of age, according to child psychologists. But they don't know any better. They are breaking the law, but they are completely unaware that what they are doing is against the law. While a child might be breaking God's laws (sinning), because they are completely unaware of the laws, they will not be held accountable by God.