Exactly Christians call Babies sinners. That is a very sick idea. I think babies are pure and beautiful and wonderful.



I feel so sorry for the things you have to believe in.

Being born into sin and being pure are 2 different things. The scriptures purely show that boys are under thier fathers wing untill he is 20. David said forgive me of the sins of my youth. Girls are protected even more. They are under thier fathers wing untill marraige. What does this all mean? Yahweh winks at thier foolishness and understands and they are not held accountable. Why were the children allowed into the promice land? were they perfect. Or were they under thier fathers control? Yahweh is very reasonable and shows much mercy. Blessings..Miles

Amen...

same here with me...


Happy New Year Everyone ..

Yea, Rabbit, our beliefs go so far as to say, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you..."Luke 6:27 but I'm sure your beliefs portray better results for peace in this world?

I don't know if you've heard but there is a Guy running this country basing his life on those beliefs and we are fighting a "Global War". That is just todays results in one Christian country in the world. I could easily walk through time and other countries.

I have to agree with Rabbi Rabbit.

If Christians actually lived by the words in the Bible the religion might not be too bad. But the fact of the matter is that they don't.

Rather than loving their enemies they tend to make enemies out of everyone who doesn't believe as they do.

Rather than doing good to them, they belittle them for their beliefs and accuse them of being spiritually impoverished.

Rather than truly blessing them, they spitefully “bless” them praying that they’ll come around to their bigoted way of thinking!

So yes, if Christians actually behaved in the way that Bible suggests it might not be a half-bad religion. But for some reason it causes people to become judgmental bigots who are prejudiced against “non-believers”. It has become their excuse to be at war with people rather than a means of preventing war.

And a large part of this is because of the Bible’s own claim that it is the “only way”. That bigoted view flies in the face of the tolerance and acceptance that it tries to teach. Just another inconsistency. It’s always shooting itself in it’s own foot.

It has many negative precepts

1. All men are sinners. (a very negative prejudiced judgmental view)
2. Only those who accept Christ as their Lord and Savior are spiritually sound.
3. It instills the attitude that you are either on Christ’s side or you are an enemy of Christ.
4. It cause humans to feel egocentric about their place in the universe (it was all created for them!)
5. It also causes people too put more value on the afterlife than on this life.

This idea that you are either “with us or against us” is at the heart of Christian bigotry.

So while individual verses may proclaim highly moral ideas, the religion overall actually instills bigotry and judgment as well as having a very negative view of mankind in general as being inherently sinful and in need of repentance. Totally pathetical and incapable of doing anything righteous on their own!

It’s this constant barrage of negativity that causes me to strike out against it. I simply don’t believe that anything so negative could possible have divine origins. If Satan does exists he’s probably responsible for inspiring the Bible because it seems to do more harm than good.

The idea that people believe they have a book that was written by God and is irrefutable is actually an extremely dangerous concept. It only serves to arm them with a feeling that their motives and agendas are being fully supported by God, whilst their enemies are obviously being backed by Satan.

The truth is, that with religions, everyone thinks God is backing their cause.

Like anyone else, you guys are entitled to your own opinions. In fact you should go as far to say we should fight al quada on our land. Turning the other cheek doesn't mean lay down & die.
and this has nothing to do with the original thread which was about GOD forsaking JESUS or HIMSELF. another misdirection to avoid the obvious.lol

(Revelation 19:11) “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.” Translation: When it is time to judge the world, Jesus will come back as a warrior, with all the armies of heaven. He will punish God’s enemies then and defeat Satan.

Kat

Happy New Year everyone.

Exactly what Judas believed

Happy New Years to you, Kat. I hope this year you'll continue to tickle us with those special photos.lol

Hi Rabbit,

I am a little confused about the logic in your argument:

Jesus is not God and here's proof.

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

If you are God you cannot forsake yourself.

Later I believe you said “I will never forsake myself”

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for•sake - to give up or renounce
Self - personal interest.

In this sense I believe I can, indeed give up (forsake) my ‘self’.

I was thinking that:

A man does it when he works a job that he really would rather not be doing, in order to support his family.

A man does it when he misses being with his friends, going fishing, watching the PATRIOTS WIN, so he can be
there for his wife/and children.

A good mother (or Dad) probably does it on a daily basis when she puts the needs of her/his children before her/his own.

A good wife/mother does it when she is looking after elderly parents as well as her own family.

A soldier does it when he risks everything to go back to save a fellow soldier

Someone does it when they rescue a child from a frozen pond

A parent/stranger does it when they go back into a blazing building to rescue another family member/person/animal or child.


The list goes on………..

As I believe in this sense, I can forsake self, I personally have no problem believing that God can also.

Back at'cha Tomie. Hows this? lol

Kat

To Britty

The only problem with taking that point of view is the it has the words "Why have you".

So this would be the equivalent of a Mother saying why do I do this Job for my Kids.Why oh why do I give up my interests for them.

Maybe a Mother would say that on a bad day but do you want to think the lord of all is resenting his task?

I think you're having a bi-polar moment, rabbit. You have it backwards...dah...it's the child asking the mother why do you give up yourself for me or as the case may be, JESUS asking the Father...but lets see how hard you can work on not believing & misdirecting.

I am looking at them as two separate issues.

You said that you could not forsake yourself. According to the way I perceive the meaning, I can and so can others. This does not have to be done begrudingling. In fact most probably do it lovingly and willingly.

You are free to perceive things the way you do, I see things on another level.

As for God - I do not believe He does anything except out of love.

As for the meaning of resent well that has changed some over the years.
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For a time ranging roughly from the last part of the 17th century to the second half of the 18th, the word resent could refer to gratitude and appreciation as well as injury and insult. Resent has also been used in other senses that seem strange to us, such as "to feel pain" or "to perceive by smell." The thread that ties the senses together is the notion of feeling or perceiving. The Old French source of our word, resentir, "to feel strongly," is made up of the prefix re-, acting in this case as an intensive, and sentir, "to feel or perceive."

The fact remains a person can forsake 'self'

The point being your argument was God cannot forsake himself.
That was your proof why Jesus is not God

You also said you cannot forsake yourself.

according to the dictionary definition we can.

I just do not believe what you stated as being proof because I see no logic in it.

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You have been given the reason why Jesus did it according to scripture, if you are not able to believe, is your choice - I have no need to address that issue further.

I don't even know why this post is still going. Ive been reading, and there doesn't seem to be anything that hasn't already been said.

The original poster continues to post the same thing and has had tons of answers. Does anyone think he will ever change his mind no matter what you or I say? Rhetorical question ppl.......redundant posts.

People will believe what they want and no one will change thier mind or anwser thier questions adequately enough. This topic should have died a long time ago.

Like I tried to say before I could agree with your conclusion that someone in the situation you explained could forsake ones self. However that only gets you back to a point I was making not all the way back to the original statement. I do not believe this is how Jesus is using the words. So I might agree with you if you agreed that Jesus in that case would be saying that he is upset about his situation. He does not think he should have to go through it.

Jesus never said he didn't think he should go through it. He was having a human fearful moment. Wouldn't you? He knew his destiny. He was not hiding in disbelief for His role in Gods reality. He knew all along what was going to happen. Accepted it, lived for it.....died for it.

When the time came though; he was as human as you or I. He became overcome with human fear.

Kat

Like I tried to say before I could agree with your conclusion that someone in the situation you explained could forsake ones self. However that only gets you back to a point I was making not all the way back to the original statement. I do not believe this is how Jesus is using the words. So I might agree with you if you agreed that Jesus in that case would be saying that he is upset about his situation. He does not think he should have to go through it.

I don't think that would really prove anything, rabbit. John 3:12 has you pinned like this; "If I have told you earthly things & you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things." JESUS' quote of course.