Social situations are always complex and deeply rooted in culture and behaviour .. when I mean culture I am not speaking of ethnicity but for example the culture of being a beneficiary and the negative behaviour/ attitudes that we adopt in that role .

The governments focus should be about empowering . We know enough about behaviour and attitude change to know that there are two main catalysts ..

Positive reinforcement

Negative reinforcement

Both will work if applied correctly .

I have noticed a change in how the government is managing beneficiaries ., there are now goals and expectations to maintain eligibility .. this should be the case with single parent benefits too. It is not enough to just support raising the child .. there needs to be a behavioural change and attitude adjustment .

We also know Education is the key to improving low socioeconomic status .. why is that so difficult to achieve .

the government is pro reducing disparity ms harmony and that is why benefits exist ..,To infer jealousy is ridiculous nor is it condescending to expect those on a benefit are deserving.

Beans are very healthy. Earlier you were in favor of chips and cookies.
Yes I think a work camp would help. Here they arrest guys when they don't pay child support.

so if you agree with fraudsters being prosecuted what is the problem?

and because some of us have never been on welfare doesnt mean we dont understand, I understand hard times but we are not talking about those on hard times, we have said that oh about 1000 times.




what else would you call it? if you want nice things you have to work for them like everyone else or what most people do

Its all about priorities.



Here is the difference in philosophies between the left and the right
the left virtually believes you should enjoy your life and if that means material things so be it

The right, isn't concerned about material things when hard times hit, they are worried about surviving and figuring out how to get out of the hard times, if it means passing up a flat screen to have more quality food, or saving money, or taking a part time course to better themselves they will do it

I just hope the people up on these pedestals never get knocked down themselves although I know most of them think they are above it ever happening or ever needing anyone's help

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do you think the posters here are rich folks or grew up with some silver fork in their mouths? I would bet that most grew up barely middle class or border line poor. Do you think the posters here haven't gone thru hard financial times and hardship. Do you think it was easy for the posters to raise their kids.. pay for their upbringing? Do you actually think anyone here hasn't gone to bed worrying about how they were going to pay bills or get their kids what they need.

The difference being is that they got their a*s out there and worked. they took responsibility and ownership for their families. For their kids. they did not leave that up to the government.

bottom line... if you can't afford kids.. don't have them.. and for Christ's sake...don't have more if you already on welfare.. And tell the sperm donor to wear a condom... is that soo difficult?

if you can afford them then by all means.. have all you like

Until we changed the educational system of let's go to school for twelve years just so we can start at the bottom,then see how much we can rack up in student loans so we can spend the rest of our lives paying them off nothing had changed..But schools are being made more available through the internet and if there isn't any age eligibility one is becoming less stagnated by an archaic system of equally dumbing down and one can learn at their own pace surely ought to bring about a difference over time..perhaps this is somewhat the beginning and we will see..

As far as people in general we can say they are from all walks of life..

but if the truth be known we probably .. or should I say the crooked incompetent government probably takes or GIVES away most of the riches of the kingdom...How the hell are we to know it's not like they tell anyone where it goes ..until they tell us how we were ripped off for.. billions..or what social program is being cut because they misappropriated the funds..or bailed out companies that screwed us and have elaborate parties and get bonuses or paid for another unnecessary war over whatever they tell us it's over only to find out decades later..uh yea we lied..again..or give it to foreign nations so that they can build a nuclear arsenal and point it at us..so we can have another war..got to make sure we're supporting that war on both ends

Until we start getting a grip on these sort of things and more there will never be enough money to take care of the things we need..but that's o.k cause given a big enough reason people will become discontent pick opposite sides and well ..kill each other..as long as the money keeps finding it's way to the top..who cares..one less mouth to feed a little less strain on resources..it doesn't matter to them

But things they be a changin' with all the technology at our little finger tips we are becoming more informed ..more educated..we can pack so many things into our little brains we get cramps..maybe it's just me..and we can work from home so.."may I take your order" might just be the right words at the dinner table to fill the coffers ..the dawning of a new day is indeed upon us..and slowly but surely we are embracing it......can I get a hallelujah people..nevermind... got carried away there for a minute..

the us system is gamed by both sides more than it actually helps. i have seen and personally known baby factory mommies who have never worked a day in their lives living in government build run and operated section 8 housing complexes. with baby daddy stating 6 nights a week and sher is driving a 2 year old caddilac suv and swinging 5 fresh iphones on a main line carrier this is not aid this is a free lunch program. and yes she was this way long enough to graduate all 4 kids

from the other side i have a personal friend who years ago lost his good job. he and his wife who could stretch a dollar into 5 moved into a much cheaper place and started tightening the budget. they alreaqdy qualified for wic and healthy kids i believe it was called. his new job with 6months low pay training probation left them about 10 to 15 dollars short of a balanced budget. after all forms were filled out the case worker told the wife we can't help you you make too much. we won't help not even even food stamps to the tune of what you are short. but if your husband quits his job and you re file we can get you enough to float everything even your old more expensive apartment.

this is not help this is a free ride this needs to stop. any and all aid should be predicated and built to get people back off the system

A lot of good points Eric and many others.

The government is for ,
Law and order
Infrastructure
Military

The family, friends , and communities are the ones that help the less fortunate and those who really need it.

The government become enablers to bondage and corruption as the system is set up now.
Friends we ALL need help from time to time in various facets not just financial.

When it gets down to it we truly need more love for our neighbors and fellowman in general.

At the same time we ought not become enablers and exacerbate the problem(s).

I could give many examples , but I don't believe that would be necessary due to relation to the topic.
We all know people who take advantage of the system , and we all know people who become enablers to certain situations by trying to help , but in reality become enablers to the existing problems.

Workshops
Education
Accountability
Drug testing

All the above should be required for those receiving welfare .

Tombraider,

nice points, I agree with the education part and to add liberal and marxist education is the root cause of the dumbing down of america.

For the first in history that this generation is dumber than the previous generation.

As in for technology, Well technology has always been in place starting back during the Guided age.

Steamboats replaced carriages, Automobiles replaced horse and buggy and killed that industry.

Crude Oil killed off the whale oil business.

The phone killed off telegram

The airplane killed off steamships

Computers killed off the typewriter

I Pod , replaced CD which replaced Albums ( although Albums are coming back)

Albums killed off 8 track .

And the list goes on and on, we as humans are innovators we will always innovate, the trick is to let them loose and stop with the burdensome regulations

Marxism and socialism is killing America and other first world societies and if the citizens dont wake up one day you will find your liberties gone and that truly will be a sad day and a countdown to tyranny.

So true.
The dumbing down of the youth in this country is probably the biggest threat to our liberty.

Paul Manafort comes to mind. He once spent 130k on a single suit in Beverly Hills.

Today, the suit he's wearing is orange, and it's a jumpsuit.

and that has to do with welfare how?

Make note of the post I was replying to. Sooner or later all of the "elite" will fall.

My experiences with employers and what I witnessed from over 90% of the people that worked. Is that employers suck. I think people have gotten away from the way mankind was intended to live. Mankind never knew business or government for the greater time they have inhabited earth.

A man is better off having his own land so he can grow his own food. build his own house and not depend on a business or government. Fire up the moonshine still and get cookin' ;)

I have a relative who is married. Things are a bit tight but not bankrupt. She's decided to divorce husband/dad in order to obtain a better standard of living

A young couple has sex and the lady becomes pregnant. First mistake: the state allows the dead beat dad to get away without paying support, thanks to the democrats. If she continuous to have more children out of wedlock the state pays for the medical bills, housing, food and school fees. Once a local gynecologist offered to perform free DNC's to stop the baby factory. Liberals screened that's unfair. Another individual suggested the government only pay for ONE OOPS (one child) after that the responsibility is on the girl and boy friend. Again the local liberals had a hay day on the news protesting this one.

The liberals are propagating out of wedlock child birth and forcing middle class Americans to pay for it.

not really, if the sentiment is based in constant comparison to what others who work have or dont have or sacrifice or dont sacrifice, its the DEFINITION

Jealous definition is - hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage :

and it is also condescending to look down on others for things as trivial as having video tapes or getting food with labels or refer to stereotypes like Shaniqua, or imply that someones death is no loss because they MAY ahve been on food stamps ...

the examples of all the condescending statements and attitudes are plenty ...


not to mention putting ourself in a position to decide what other people 'deserve'

did I say beans are not healthy? The suggestion was JUST beans and rice. Read again.

a video game is 'nice things' really? get real.

the right has no superior ethics than anyone else, some of them only imagine they do because of what they perceive themselves to have 'sacrificed'.

Video games are expensive. I spent $500 one year at Christmas buying my son a system, game and some live time. The difference is, it was a struggle because I also had to buy food and pay a mortgage and utilities.

Trust me, people aren't jealous of the welfare queens. I've been divorced for almost 7 years. Property disqualifies me from getting any assistance. But I could easily quit claim properties to my son and go get the gravy all these other women are getting. It comes down to i wasn't raised to be that way. Twenty something years ago when I applied for help the case worker told me how to qualify. But instead of putting my effort into qualifying, I put that effort into finding a new job. I could easily have put my car in my mom's name. But I focused on job applications.

What I would like to see is a system who helps those who need it (like I did twenty something years ago)and stop fraud.