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to quote soufie .. everyone's opinion carries the same weight ..
even those deemed to be condescending

I see that the Shaniqua comment was directed at me, and so what that I said that.

so you are judging me for judging them? ironic.

Am I jealous of them? hell no.
am I envious of those who sits on their azz and collect welfare? hell no.

I think they are a plague on decent society, I despise welfare cheats and those that abuse the good nature of mankind.

whether its corporate bailouts and subsidies to welfare cheats scumbags.

not only do I not look down at them I despise them.

You may believe Im a condescending bastard and I am towards certain groups of people but they deserve my contempt, my anger and hostility.


I wish I could transport all these welfare cheats to a third world nation and let them see what real poverty is.

that alone would save enough money to actually help those who need the help and want to help themselves but fallen on bad luck or timing.


once again for the record Miss harmony and your people too dense to understand.

People that fall on hard times are not the same as those who purposely defraud the system and refuses to work.

This is not a rant against single moms as we know they have a difficult and challenging task of raising kids and has a deadbeat ex spouse

This is not a rant against a widow or widower with children

this is not a rant against those that lost their high paying or livable wage job and fell into hard times.

This is a rant against those who abuse the system, those that believe the solution is having more kids and allowing the state to be financial daddies.

Get it now.

People tend to try to maintain their lifestyle and continuously try to improve that lifestyle.
When that maintenance and improvement falls within their ability, its all good.
A lot of people do not plan for emergencies, yet emergencies happen.
When failures happen, they exceed their lifestyle trying to maintain it.
They use credit to bail themselves out.
Credit is spending money you don't have.
To pay off the credit, decreases the amount of funds available to maintain their lifestyle.
Now, instead of $100 there is only $80.
When that occurs, people tend to continue their $100 lifestyle instead of maintaining an $80 lifestyle or opting for a $60 lifestyle.
They slowly start to enter a poverty scenario.
It gets more and more difficult to make ends meet.

The issue is not the Flat screen TV, the latest cell phone, satellite radio or any other thing.
The issues is that they are trying to maintain a lifestyle beyond their means.
Most people that have faced an emergency that has set them back will reduce, sell or change something in their lifestyle until they can again afford that lifestyle.
They have the alarm service suspended, decide to stop cable service and use an antenna for TV, change their grocery buying choices to basic necessities only.
They use their savings to make ends meet until they have recovered from whatever emergency they needed to deal with.
Then, when flush again, they have those services turned back on, buy the things they had again and start eating better again.

When life has put someone into a poverty scenario, some people will scream for assistance in hopes of maintaining their lifestyle.
Welfare is not meant to help anyone maintain their lifestyle.
Its mean to provide emergency help only.
Its meant to be temporary.

Welfare isn't available so anyone can keep watching cable TV or maintain talk, text and internet on the latest phone.
Welfare is there to keep you and your family from dying.
Its there to try to help prevent you from being so desperate that you rob, steal or kill to get what you need to survive.

You can look around you and see people on welfare that are maintaining a higher than basic lifestyle.
What would happen if a case worker visited a welfare recipient's home just after the benefits arrive?
Would they find steak and lobster or beans & rice?
I've bought steak and lobster for my family many times while I was in my chosen lifestyle.
When I was on assistance, I bought dried beans, 65% ground beef and lots of chicken. The kids ate off-brand cereal with powdered milk.

This entire thread seems to be people arguing about the choices that people make while on assistance.
When someone tries to defend the choices they are not realizing these very simple things.

Welfare is not supposed to be assistance to maintaining a lifestyle.
Welfare is meant to be a temporary assistance to keep you alive until you can maintain an adjusted lifestyle that falls within your means.
There are too many real world examples of that not happening.
To defend the extravagant choices of people collecting assistance is defending blatant fraud.

I always 'got it' . People keep ASSuming the character of others or their willingness to work on what MATERIAL things they may see them with, like tv, or phone, or food with name brands ....

or by whether they attend a protest

thats the problem Im having. Its noone's knowledge how or when another person came by tangible materials,(or where they go that is not work related)

so people need to stop judging and condescending to others for daring to have certain 'things' or go certain places while simultaneously needing a little help.

Tom , well said

to ASSume to know what 'choices' people have made based only on what things you observe them having is .... well, its self explanatory.

This is a rant against those who abuse the system, those that believe the solution is having more kids and allowing the state to be financial daddies.

Get it now.

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oh ,they get it alright. But they are not going to admit it.. never have. What you will receive in return is a filibuster of nonsense, geared towards deflecting from the root cause or from a topic that goes against their agenda. That's the M.O.

Lol....

Hello

see Tom4uhere recent post.

his post was dead on

you dont seem to acknowledge that Fraud exists
you dont seem to acknowledge that its the fraudulent schemers we have a problem with

Once again, I'm going to refer to Tom4Uhere recent post,it covers all your points

I have acknowledged it SEVERAL TIMES

and what you seem to not be intellectually honest about is the broad and sweepingly condescencing manner in which some people are JUDGING others as 'schemers' based solely on what things they see them with or places they see them attending.

most of these stories had nothing to do with people continuing to have babies, so thats a crock.

I agree continuing to have babies WHILE ACTIVELY receiving welfare is not responsible. I also stated that.

I DONT Agree with the manner in which people are judging others to not be poor enough, basically, because of material things or activities

you are contradicting yourself Miss harmony, if you agree fraud exists why are you arguing against us?

That is all what we ( on the right) are ranting against.

Am I condescending to those who are welfare abusers? YES I AM, I despise those cheating lying scumbags

I dont despise welfare people living beyond their means, I think its wrong but that is just my opinion.

Am I judgmental to those on welfare that wants to live like the rest of the working tax paying productive citizens.. YES I AM.


I personally believe they have no right to save for a vacation if you're on welfare nor do they deserve luxuries item in which we working people work and save for

As Tom said succinctly ,welfare is temporary and not to an assistance to maintaining a lifestyle.

If you want to judge me for being a condescending azzhole towards those lying cheating scumbag welfare recipients , its fine by me

I think kids who grow up in welfare homes are taught that everything should come from the govt. When there is something they want but don't have, they blame the govt. For these people to do any better, their beliefs would have to completely change. You can't change everything a person has been taught from childhood with a class.
My 14 year old daughter is already wanting a job. When we checked out at the grocery store, I asked how old you have to be to apply. I think in welfare communities, young girls see the neighbor get pregnant and that gives her spending money. Then they all want spending money. I can tell you those girl at Honda weren't trying to stop pregnancy and they were with lots of men. In a 3rd world country the weak wouldn't survive. But here we are causing the weak to flourish and over populate

all one who has never experienced welfare can do is 'think' they know what others on assistance learn or believe.

You said the girls at Honda lived with Grandma, right? So how do you know if 'spending' money was that check or from Grandma?

I have needed stamps because I didnt earn enough, in my sons lifetime and my daughters, and guess what, my daughter has asked about working as young as ten years old too, and my son started college at 17 and began working with Homeland security at 19. So tell me again, that you 'believe' kids in 'welfare homes' are taught everything should come from the government?

non assistance homes dont have any better or worse ethics than homes on assistance. And thats the truth.

Im not arguing against fraud. I'm pointing out crappy condescending attitudes towards those are impoverished on any sort of assistance falling under the umbrella of 'welfare'. there is a difference.

no, you are wrong Miss Harmony

the condescending remarks and attitude is directed at welfare cheats period.

Not towards those experiencing hard times.

I cant speak for others and from what Ive read most people have the same beef with welfare frauds.

of course, if 'cheat' includes anyone someone saw attending an event they dont think they should or having a possession the dont believe they should have.

the thread has been about much more than 'cheating', but an attitude of others fitting the image of 'poor enough'.

Your liberal and leftist attitude is part of the problem that ails your country.

you believe everyone has the right to what they want vs what they need.

What one needs is food, shelter and clothing to survive.
wanting things particularly material things isnt a need its a desire.

If you desire nice things you need to work for it, invest for it, save for it out of your own funds not tax payers funds.

Someone receiving tax payers money to live on should not be spending on things like going to the movies, material things or vacation, welfare was not designed for that.

Or do you not understand that?

and here I thought some of the condition failing us were GREED and Jealousy and materialism above empathy

thank you for informing me though of how much of a problem I actually am to the country for not being more outraged that someone poor should have a flat screen or video games, and letting me know what I believe ... I dont know how I would know myself without you.

I understand, hitting hard times means NOTHING but struggle and work searching until you no longer struggle...

I will really work on having such an elevated and HUMANE perception of the human condition and the solution to hard times.

a million thanks ...

you're welcome Miss Harmony, Im glad that I could help.

sarcasm aside, why do you keep bringing up people on hard times?

has anyone condemned, criticized or made fun of people on hard times?