All women say they want an honest true loving man, I must be missing the but here... a good guy don't have a chance... ladies help me understand...

All is a generalization. Unless you know all women, that is inaccurate. But on topic...

An honest man/woman is subjective to an extent. Shouldn't the other person decide thay for themselves. Because someone says they are honest, doesn't make it so. Think Ted Bundy was honest about who he was?

What is the definition of a true man?

True man to me is... pure hearted, a gentleman that knows how to treat a lady like a lady, has gentle hands and soft heart, but yet is still a mans man... a man that not afraid and wants show his soft side to satisfy his lady...

In general there are only two quality types of men for women 1) the kind of man women dream about, and 2) the kind that don't exist lol

are you trying to contact ladies in your area or all over the place?


not all women will be looking for a country boy

or want to live out in rural America

But a good guy that is honest and faithful pays for what ever other man has done.... I believe women look at a mans profile and says," right " I heard that before and passes by

In my area would be nice, but very open to me be one moving if everything falls that way, jobs are easy to find, we all still looking for true love...

see this statement: pays for what ever other man has done


could be said about anyone who has been in at least one not so great relationship

if they choose to carry that baggage with them to the next one

By my experience, women or me stay in a bad relationship to long, with the other person not treating them right, than when someone does treat them right they run, it's not what they're use to

Again. I have none "good honest guys" that turned out to be opposite. Let the other person decide who is good and honest

What does it take to get those chances? Seems like it takes perfect profile, or perfect picture...

Not for all women. That is a generalization. There are women out there that will give a chance but you saying you are good and honest....that is only you saying it

So tell me what do women want to read in a profile than?

Try rate my profile forum

I gather you take yourself for an honest true loving man... but your profile photo could lead to believe otherwise. If you are having problems finding dates or even replies, I strongly suggest using a photo without a woman in it...
Not a sign of a reliable, trustworthy, honest man.

Apart from that, honest and true loving still doesn't make you a match for every woman.
To be honest, it sounds boring. Present yourself in a different way, have something that is genuinely you but does pique interest of the type of woman you're looking for.
Everyone says they're honest and loving bladiblabla. It's totally meaningless.
Personally I look for a guy who exudes happiness and positive feelings, who has something going for himself in life. Such a person will naturally be true, loving, honest, doesn't have the need to say that. He has something to tell, something that is interesting and captivating.
Whinging about not getting interest and 'you all treat me poorly' is not appealing, regardless of you being honest, loving and true.
We all want someone who's happy and positive. I'm assuming you'd want that too!

Hope that doesn't sound harsh, you asked opinions of women, so there it is...

Wishing you good luck!

Maybe your too good.

Women want good men, who know how to be bad.. and just how bad to be.

Your not the first bring up my daughter in the picture, to me shows more of a soft side, not a woman in my life

Let me help you with that then.

"I want an honest true loving man...but I get to judge and define and determine if you are what I would consider honest true and loving and you really have no direct input on my determination.
Also, those are kinda the special qualities I'm looking for that I like to believe I don't take for granted and when fulfilled to my standards makes you stand out in the crowd.
But that's about it. "

"But there are other things that are obvious to me and taken for granted and would take too long to list in a profile which I probably spent all of 5-10 minutes writing.
Things I thought were obvious like I must be attracted to you, I must feel some kind of desire for you and interest in you other than those special qualities, you must be kinda convenient to what I want rather than me constantly fighting an urge to move on."

"But I'm not a kindergarten teacher or your mommy, I'm not the arbiter of 'fairness.'
Just because you think you are an honest true loving person, and even if that is true, it doesn't mean I owe you anything. Being that way does not garner brownie points or preferential treatment. You being that way is its own reward for yourself. It doesn't mean you deserve anything from me."

"But my profile is not a legal contract where I list something that you think you match and can then say 'ah ha! I fulfill what you wrote on your profile, therefore I am legally entitled to your attention and desire and a date and a relationship. Gotcha! Because you said! And if you don't fulfill your dating profile description legal contract then it means I get to judge you as confusing, or bad, or not knowing what you want.' I am more than my profile. My profile is not like the ingredient list on the side of a box of cereal."

"But please don't apply generalized gender stereotypes to me as an individual person. If you believe 'all women' want something, and then approach me as though I'm the representative of 'all women' and I don't respond how you think I should because you think 'all women' want something you've got, don't judge me for failing to adequately react or fulfill your stereotyped notions regarding how 'all women' should behave when offered what you think 'all women' want."


Everyone does.
It's called experience and baggage and every single human being on the planet has it.
What you experience changes you.
Mostly in ways you don't even realize.
The only time you really do is when it starts causing bad habits and harm, obviously keeping you from something.
Even then you probably don't know the real cause of it.
Each experience plants a million seeds. Some grow fast, some grow slowly, some not at all. And each that blooms does so into a different plant because it interacts differently with all your other experiences.

You can see it as paying for what every other man has done, you can try to see it from their perspective and life about what had to have happened in order to get her to have that perspective, you can try to see it as an opportunity for self reflection on your own behavior as well.
That's up to you.


More than likely they have heard it before and possibly know you better than yourself in that regard.
You have any idea how many forum threads were started on this and every other dating site with forums of:
"Nice guys finish last!"
"Women say they want a good man, but only date a-holes!"
"Women say they want true love/a real man/honesty/commitment/etc., (insert self aggrandizing here) so why am I single?"

On popular sites it's a daily/weekly thing.
A lot of guys self identify as the "good" guy, or the "honest true loving man" and believe their actions and beliefs are unique but in reality they all follow the same path and beliefs and behavior that is obvious to everyone but themselves.

Yeah, I get that thought... but it could -and probably is- very easily be interpreted another way...
I would not ask a guy I may like "Excuse me, is that a partner in your photo, an ex, date, fling, or your daughter?"
I just move on to the next guy who doesn't have another woman in his profile picture, or other pictures for that matter. Plenty of fish in the sea, and since a woman is only browsing, not invested yet, ... well, you could miss out big time!