I guess we all get our 'comfort' from different belief systems. Our churches here in the UK are full of little ol ladies confident that when they die they will sit at the right hand of the god they believe in. For some reason that makes them happy and they always smile.

Another group of people are young men, very keen on sharing the 'good news' - as if we haven't heard all that stuff zillions of times before. What these people really want is for you to 'join' their particular organisation. In return for the truly biblical ten per cent of your income as a tithe they will promise you that wonderful situation that the old ladies get (almost) for free. At least the old ladies are genuine. The young men are just running businesses and they spend all that money on the sort of cars that people like me can never afford to own (and wouldn't want, either). Making promises like that which can never be proved (have you ever asked a dead person if they are currently in heaven or in hell?) must be one of the best snake oil games on the planet!

Another group of people, like me, are impervious to all this nonsense, I just wind up the Mormons and JWs when they come knocking at my door. My happiness in this world is all the nice things, good friends, good food and wine, holidays and the many things I get involved in. No time for thinking of any future. I hope I have led a 'good' life and if I get surprised at seeineg pearly gates when I expire I am reasonably confident that 'being good' is all that is required by this man-created idea called 'god'. If she does exist I expect she is horrified that some of her people think it is important to build large expensive places for people to 'worship' in. As far as I can understand all this nonsense, god would never expect 'worship' - she would probably either laugh at us or be very sad watching us all on our knees each week.

Thank goodness I am not part of all that! I have no problem with others who believe such things so long as they don't try to convert me into their silly ideas. They don't get far. I don't try to convince or convert people to my way of thinking. Nobody spoke to me about the 'good news' of being a Humanist, I just worked it out for myself. Then a few years ago I discovered that there are actually people, and groups of people, who are Humanists. I realised that without knowing I was one of them.

Life is good!

generally that's what takes place in any forums with any subject .... it's called "Presenting Arguments'


actually that's not how your mind works....remember according to you and Spinoza you're part of "the collective" in which all your ideas come not from you but from an external cause such as a puppet master


toss Einstein naked into the jungle and most likely he would be outwitted and eaten by something with an I.Q. that of a tadpole


all I'm asking is it you believe that two of every animals that existed could have fit on Noah's Ark ...and let's not forget room for all those big old naughty dinosaurs


actually they were referring to the planet Venus ...


actually you got it backwards ...Jesus was telling how the wind was undetectable and had free will ...comparing it to the spirit or the spirit of God ...under the laws of physics there is no Free Will... not even for God which is why there are no Miracles and no Gods (any real ones)

Funches I agree about the laws of physics pure not being conducive to free will.
But does physics, or special physics exclude self determinate will power energy having some influences. Maybe even sub-atomic at that mystery level.
Eg. animal species, and plants, deliberately evolving their physical expressions of their own design, against nurture and nature, self modifying to cope with environment changes, faster than 'survival of the fittest' multi-generational change models. See shape changing octopi for a radical instance.
I think, and am sure there are many other 'levels' with energies that 'bend' the laws of physics in this reality. Eg. ghosts and similar energies.

There are life savers, coincidence aligners, and nagging reminders, that I know of.

Energy can not be created or lost, only changed.
There must be heaps of energy out there, and how many changes / variations ?

Noah's ark, or the much earlier Uta - Napishti, neither's boat could carry much more than farm animals and some friends.
Going in 2 by 2, - Dreaming! You ever tried to herd up anything.

If something really is 'working in mysterious ways', it's doing a very poor job.

What I've found is that people think God is the bureaucracy of the churches and temples. So they can justify their disbelief of the existence of what we call God. Just like an ant can't understand us we can't understand God. As was said, "Humans are Gods compared to ants". Which justifies people becoming narcissistic and mega maniacal.

Life is an extension of God. So denying God denies you from believing your life matters. So acting like an evil scumbag and being sadistic towards everything is perfectly fine. If there's no moral or ethical reason not to that the concept of good which God allows us to see.

seems like you're referring to prayer


none what you describe goes against nature


now that everyone have a video cell phone certain things has disappeared (no pun intended) like ghosts, Aliens in Area 51, Bigfoot, the loch ness monster and the chupacabra also called the mexican goat sucker


a miracles would have been that the methane gas from all the animal dung didn't suffocate Noah and Crew ...they had to have been shovelling it 24/7


according to some ..Spinoza would have claim that all the animals consciousness are part of a collective taking orders from a single consciousness to board the Love Boat ...


perhaps a perfect example of why Gods don't exist


the need to believe in something which can not be proved to exist in order to believe one's life matters ...is perhaps a sign of depression

True.... up to a point. Humanists believe in morals and an ethical lifestyle. There is no need for any form of deity if you have your own internal moral code. The scumbags are those who have neither the religious moral code, nor their own moral code. Sadly, there are so many examples of scumbags among the so-called believers that it's difficult to accept that 'religious people are good' or in any way 'better than non-believers'. Humans vary from really good guys to really bad guys and it seems to me that there is little or no correlation between the good and bad guys and the believers and non-believers.

Some scientists are indeed saying that the laws of physics are not conducive to the concept of free will. In the sense that water will always find the way 'down' so life at atomic level will always take the path of least energy. The problem is understanding how the immense computers that are our brains can make an apparent 'choice' - "shall I have the fish today, or the steak?" In fact the time taken to decide is probably the time taken for our brain to compute as many of the advantages and disadvantages of each choice as it can think of.

If this train of thought becomes accepted and free will is no longer a popular idea, the consequences will be enormous. Every scumbag who does something they know is 'wrong' will use the excuse that they had no option, no 'free will' to decide not to do it! It doesn't bear thinking about!

I believe.
there are Archeological evidenses being discovered;
by People like me, the Lord God giving me insite, its amazing, truly amazing. Now he gives me great favour.

hahahahaha

HE is GOD<
nothing is impossible for Him :)

Peace
Love
preserverence
Control
ohohoh
Wisdom,
:)

It's nice to know that for this imaginary fiction nothing is impossible, even peace it seems. Try telling that to the families of people killed in wars.

It's weird that with so many gods past and present, not one has made their presence known to a 'normal' person or group, only to 'special' people.

And funny that so many godliness loving people proudly display a model of an ancient torture and murder device. Very strange.

And why on Earth do so many gods dislike the tops of peoples heads ? If gods made it, then maybe they should do something about it. Clown wigs.

Actioning morally is better than praying for forgiveness for being dishonest; no belief in god or a devilish hell is needed, to not be an A-hole.

Seeing directly is believing, seeing nothing ever is just wasting my time.

I don't believe in Spinoza's view. I believe in a general view that he connected God to everything, but I do not agree with him on his description of substance, interaction, general definition, general meaning, general intention, nothing else.

So stop putting my answers where you are putting Spinoza's and then Einsteins!!



maybe. he might have some clever ideas and some as equally dumb.



i don't believe dinosaurs were around when Noah was on the Earth. dinosaurs are more for the creation that happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, with 1:2 showing 2 things happening at once including the results of the "ice age."

pertaining to Noah's Ark. going back 2,000 years, we have Greek/Romans accounts of humans being just under 5 feet in height on average. We have Egyptian hieroglyphs revealing humans were just around the 4 foot mark. Noah would be before all of this. My guess since we know humans were considered adults at around 3 feet 6 inches in height, and we can see a steady increase over time to today we average 6 feet 7 inches...that probably animals were much smaller.

even if you look at very old paintings, the apples are very small in comparison to how we have genetically modified the apple to become this bigger version today.

so smaller animals on the size of the Ark that we know it is (we have actual models) is getting to be easier to envision. if a bear is 2/3 less its size back then to what bears are today, the square inch dramatically increases



and ironically, God, the angelic host, are all considered stars. They all have references to some galactic formation. it's why those particular stars never burn out, never become platonic and explode, nor are they ever a part of the term "falling/shooting star" that just actually means a passing by star from our possible view. the Hebrews saw the stars as the heavenly host.



God is the Law that created the Laws. And I agree with what you are saying what Yeshua was doing. But the Law that created Nature's Laws are of the same substance of those Laws. That Law has the ability to be intwine with the Laws, each separate Law, or to cause change in those Laws. But being the fact it can be with the Law, when a miracle does occur, the only one who can possibly notice such changes in the Laws are the ones living the miracle.

in layman's terms:
the substance of God is the same substance of the Universe and all of its Laws. even humans are within .00001 of one another in substance definitions. humans, to the dirt/bacteria, to our planet, all planets, the stars, sol, other galaxies like our own pattern, even stars on verge of supernova, everything including vacuum, black holes, black matter, gases, never ending amounts of energy, it's all part of God.

So for God to move with the created Laws, within and without, is no stretch when everything is the same substance. the only difference, the Creator is the mind "THOUGHT-EXTENSION" of it all.

due to having their own gods/goddesses, the ancient Greeks did write about the factual Yeshua (Jesus) who lived, did perform wonderous miracles, was crucified, and 2 even wrote about Him actually resurrecting and being seen and testimonies were made of this account.

what's ironic, what the Greeks wrote and when they wrote it was during the actual/literal life of Yeshua/Jesus. they were baffled by Him. and they were the type of people who wrote about what happened everywhere. So having these atheist, believers of their own deities, write about Yeshua/Jesus being real, performing miracles, dying, resurrecting all before it was ever written by the Gospel writers... is a tremendous proof of evidence that Yeshua, who is known as God in human form, did come and do as YOU NOTBE asked.

so before people claiming belief in God wrote about Yeshua/Jesus, the Atheist Greeks wrote about Him!!

I tell them, one non-believing in God Dictator went to war against another non-believing in God Dictator and as result, your peeps are now deceased!!

If you haven't had an experience with God, then you can only believe in God. This requires faith, because you can only believe what you do not know. For me God is a paradox. God is the greater understanding that exists beyond all understanding hence our technological evolution beyond the limits of the dogma of previous centuries. But, if God is the understanding the exists beyond all understanding, can God be defined? No! There is the sacred paradox. So to say that God is the understanding that exists beyond all understanding reveals the limits of my understanding, but God is not limited.

to accept believers that willingly follow and worship an entity that tried to wipe out the Human Race with a great flood as being good... is to to accept that Mass Extermination of Humans is good


if one must "pay" consequence every time one use their Free Will ...then how is it Free ... funches 3;16


that would require you to stop claiming that your consciousness is hooked to an external source...


a naked Einstein in the jungle could play like he's MacGyver but probably wouldn't last the night


the ice age took place on the first day of Creation because there were no Sun ...so the Dinosaurs did exist during Noah's Time ...that is why people stop living after 100 years because they were too old to outrun the Dinosaurs and were eaten


that would mean that anyone 6' or more is a Nephilim


so are you now saying that you believe that two of all the animals in the world at 2/3 their size could fit on Noah's Ark ... if not ...then God gave Noah the wrong measurements


Stars and the moon were consider to be the Heavens not angels or angelic hosts


which came first "knowledge or God" .... funches 3:16

that question displays how God is not the law but under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics


that would mean that God's DNA can be isolated and cloned ...


is this an admission that you hear voices that you believe is God?

not hooked or connected, and my consciousness and awareness have nothing to do with any of it. it's reality that what i see within nature is the handy work of a Designer. Everything is supplied. Food, water, plant source, grass source, life and death, and the process of decaying back to creating life.



getting him naked and in the jungle is where he would outsmart you.



it makes sense to think as you do, but there is creation before the day of Creation you speak about.

I have a lot views I'm not typically Christian ordained but this is my story my reason for hope me essense for life...

Was driving along the road midnight around there and the next thing I know it hits dark and all goes black I hear a sound of rumbling and the scraping of steel... i'm blacked out... I wake up my window is smashed in I had hit a bridge just a near oversight. The tire wheels are spinning into the floorboards... on my side... I let go of the gas if I had not been broken I would have plunged in the river... it's a deep night I feel my head to feel inside and put two finger tips inside my own head... this scar remains and still hurts a tad if pressed I also have a thing that looks like a permanent hickey from that wreck... I walk down the road flag down help maybe knock on some doors... middle of the night no one's coming around... it had been awhile I was knocked out and given the situation dead of night this old couple drop by country road my own residential neighborhood do not know such said people they have a phone being old timers or not and call police and ambulance... I was able to walk to flag down help and when in the gurney the crew is telling jokes just another day for them worst day in my life for me... at the hospital I am on the bed examined I had 79 liaisons and needed 150 stitches still came within an inch of severing my aiorta… something saved me that night because the car insurance adjuster tells me he's seen a lot of accidents and some of them in less damage that he was actually stunned and in awe I was alive and well and not missing body parts I didn't even use Vicodin they gave me... the people in less accidents had safer vehicles than my 95' Ranger and given the situation of is any of us not meant to exist... I couldn't answer that some people die some live only things that truly matter is how much time we actually have left to tell people how much they mean to us new or old friends relatives...

if your consciousness and awareness has nothing to do with it then you wouldn't be able to see within nature" because that would require consciousness and awareness ....see how your posts are a menagerie of contradictions


actually it would be Einstein's way of acknowledging that when it comes to surviving naked in the jungle..Einstein ain't no Einstein


the laws of physics created The Universe and God


nope sorry...remember you claim that in the biblical days everything were 2/3 smaller...that would also include the giants ...which is why any person 6' or more would be a giant and a nephilim ...so...er..how tall are you?


so you don't consider a flood that damn near wiped out The Human Race as damaging ..what if noah and his family also drown and there would be no more humans alive .. ....then would it be damaging enough


it was the Christians that start referring to Satan and Lucifer as an angel and as morningstar to make him one of the bad boys of the bible


I should be getting paid for what I'm teaching you ...without me here to decipher your constant encryption contradictions you wouldn't even knew you were part of a Spinozian mind controlled zombie collective


the fact that you failed to explain how God came before knowledge is the proof that you know he didn't ....but it's still free for you to try and explain it..


so when God commands you to kill is it via text message or a facebook notification