The only problem I see with your explanation Tom, is where did the Universe,which is in this state of absolute zero come from ? Basically you are restating Newtons Laws and reaffirming the religious dogma that God is eternal.

Well, since I know there wasn't anyone else there when the "Big Bang" happened nobody can know for sure what causes the Universe to erupt.
However, based on some theories I have read that try to explain some of the conditions of reality, I 'guess' that the current Universe is a result of some type of matter that suddenly had a change of state.
Since NOTHING/NOBODY anywhere can actually prove me wrong, my explanation is as valid as anyone's.

I have no problem with the concepts implied with the "Big Bang" but the Universe is not expanding in such a way to support a "Big Bang".
If it was a Big Bang, there should be a way to track back to the original BANG point, but that can't be done because the Universe is expanding like a percolation instead of an explosion. No definable expansion directionality.

The Universe expands more like a pot of boiling oil than a firecracker.
If you take that into consideration, something must be happening at the atomic or sub-atomic level everywhere.

I'm aware that zero-point energy theory is shunned and considered unrealistic. Yes, it has its problems.
However, I believe the mechanism that is causing our current Universe to expand as it is, also played a significant role in how this Universe was created.

Then, take what I have gleaned about absolute zero and the properties of matter and the idea that eventually the Universe will slow to a halt and freeze solid then you have an idea of how I might conclude that a frozen Universe existed before this Universe erupted.

Given that matter everywhere was frozen solid, not even a spin of a particle of matter, a force caused a chain reaction that initiated a change of state that resulted in a percolation that was transmitted throughout the early Universe.

Since nobody can even start to speculate as to what caused that change of state, it MUST be GOD.

Nobody can look outside this Universe.
Who is to say there isn't a graveyard of prior matter out there that didn't change its state?
Our view is relative to our existence.
Everything we call our Universe might be a single atom of a prior Universe of matter that still lies frozen.
Size is relative to the observer.
13.7 BILLION light years to us might be the surface of a neutron, electron or proton in a Universe of a different scale.

Just because I might call that unknown force God doesn't mean it was a God that created us for any purpose.
We change atoms all the time with fire and movement, we are not doing anything on purpose yet we do initiate change.
I believe that is what happened.
I believe that is the reference to God.
That some force initiated a change of state that caused a reaction but the reaction is relative to the Universe in which it was created and to the rest of reality, insignificant and short-lived.
Its a somber pill but makes sense.

My dilemma is not with God what people consider God to be,or The Big Bang or your interpretation of events but more with the answer to the question why there is something rather than nothing and the origin of that something.I'll have a cup of tea while you are resolving that one.As I have previously stated I do appreciate your significant contributions in these Forums.

if there is a god i think its time for him to come and kick people off his planet cause we sure are destroying it

I do agree with you that we are doing a terrible job of looking after our planet.However,why does God have to do anything to cover our mistakes.We have the capabilities to solve our own problems but don't have the resolve to do what is required.If you give someone a gift and they thrash it are you going to replace the gift ?

Yes I believe in my heart she/ he exist in various name.

I guess you can believe in anything like God, fairies, Bigfoot etc. It’s more important to believe in yourself and think for yourself.

I personally haven’t seen proof of any of these and I won’t let religion dictate how to live my life. I have compassion which is what everyone needs to be a good person.

No. Unless you mean god as in a pantheist type of god, the god Einstein spoke of....not a personal god. But, why not ask if unicorns existent? If you can't prove it, why argue about it? Just be good here and now. If there is a god and goodness idn't good enough for that god, screw that god!

There is no beginning or end. Energy always was and always will be. Humans and other earthings are stardust. We all contain bits of god.

From my experiences with things happening that science itself cannot prove otherwise... I think no matter what mankind believed upon in the past and into the future... That yes Jehovah or something else is out there.. I've had dreams that my conscious was my conscious in sleep and I looked around and it was real and it was life... I pinched my arm to see if I was dreaming... still asleep... I pinched my arm willingly and felt the pinch... I saw my grandmother sitting right before me who had been gone for several years... She told me some things that I've been searching life for this answer to what I'm searching for... she then whispered... It'll find you when it's time. This thing I'm looking for? Love and Heavy amounts of success... I woke up and began writing... My grandmother was known for writing... and that dream sprung me forward to become a poet and a writer in general… After the dream I began to dive deep into the unknown. That I believe in a lil bit of anything and everything... And this belief is going to make me famous? Time can only tell what's meant to be if anything...

Maybe it's just this particular picture, but your eyes are dead. There is something missing about you. Something definitely is disconnected.

Dreams are both Powerful and full of meaning. Hope it works out for you!!

As a Capricorn I can come off very contradictive... this cold exterior those that break through that barrier and find out how warm I am underneath are stunned at what I hide from the world... That I am full of life and love and cover it up again over and over with fake vulgarism and try to be understood in a world that does not accept anyone... I accept myself for who I am... but this pride it strengthens me as well as tears me apart... to be wholy perfect and for God to just take away the pain? Tempting but no... Cause what I want is to perfect myself... to understand God's pain as described in the bible... He's had to make harsh decisions regarding life and it's tearing him apart if he did the right thing... So my pain is nothing. I'm looking to not be as perfect as a God... but to strengthen who I am as an individual keep climbing a tower to become stronger than yesterday... never give up never surrender to satan's temptations...

Gods do not exist because a God would need for naught and therefore would have no need to exist ...simple logic ...funches 3;16

Isn't (H)aving no need for anything, actually the best reason to Create something?

You are God so you are capable of entertaining yourself by your ideas, designs, measurements, the Beginning Point, His purpose for doing this, experiment over!!

And if He did choose this route, what's to say He has never made a form of contact between Himself and His Creation?

I don't care what some phd moron claims, Life is not an Accident!!

It's a bad trait I work on daily. I'm a December birth myself.

If you examine your life and the experiences you have experienced, does it really matter if God exists?

Sitting here alone at this keyboard, does it actually matter if God exists?
When my head hits that pillow, is it really important for God to exist?
Do I need comfort?
Really, do I?

I need a lot of things,
relief from pain,
a will to eat,
inspiration to exist,
God doesn't give me that.
I don't seek something I can't find within myself.

God is not there to give you your hearts desire.
God is not there to give you anything.
God is like reality, it just is.

You can embrace reality or you can embrace a delusion you are told to believe.

Here: let me give you a passage;
Live Life According to the Experiences in which you Experience.
That comes from the Book of Tom.

The reason why your experiences are unique is because you are unique.
The reason why others experiences might be the same is because there are a lot of us experiencing the same things.
While we might have the same experiences (by association) each is different for us individually.

You didn't steal a bag of pistachios for the same reason I did.
Perhaps you stole some pistachios but not for the same reason.
Perhaps you stole something for the same reason but not the same thing.
Its all personal and its that variability that separates us.
Its that difference that identifies us as individuals in a universe that encompasses 14 billion years and too many worlds to imagine.

In the grand scheme of things it makes no sense.
I don't NEED it to make sense.
Frankly, I don't even care.

I think so too. But this question has no authentic answer, only opinions.

Personally I’m an atheist from the viewpoint of priests, but I am a true pusher of theism deep in my core. I believe in what is celebrated all across the scientific community as Einstein’s COSMIC RELIGION.

“Einstein's God thus stood for an orderly system obeying rules which could be discovered by those who at the courage, imagination, and persistence to go on searching for them. It was to this past which he began to turn his mind soon after the age of twelve. The rest of his life everything else was to seem almost trivial by comparison”

Ronald W. Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times, New York: World Publishing, 1971, pp. 19-20

“I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these natural laws. As I said before, the most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science.”

Albert Einstein; from Peter A. Bucky, The Private Albert Einstein, Kansas City: Andrews & McMeel, 1992, p. 86

“I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.… This is a somewhat new kind of religion”

Albert Einstein, in a letter to Hans Muehsam, March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 218

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”

Albert Einstein, upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, published in the New York Times, April 25, 1929; from Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, New York: World Publishing Co., 1971, p. 413; also cited as a telegram to a Jewish newspaper, 1929, Einstein Archive 33-272, from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 204

to create that which one has no need for is "waste" .. and generally requires flushing


experimentation provides the proof that something is not all-knowing and therefore lacks omnipotence and therefore is not a God


wouldn't the same apply to him and his creator?


an unexpected pregnancy is proof that life can be by accident

To Einstein, the Universe was limitless.
To God, the Universe is contained.

To Einstein, the universe had harmony.
To God, the universe has Design and Order.

To Einstein, God had no power over the Laws in place.
Einstein was also 50 years before the KOBE Expedition, and an upgraded definition to the Bang to which these Laws Einstein speaks about resulted from the Bang. He was before recents I.D. discussions and Krausse' conclusions plus others. One might think the newer discoveries in the "Bang Theory" would have reformed Einstein's views.