Topic: 15 disturbing facts about 9/11
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Thu 06/25/15 09:55 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 06/25/15 09:56 PM



windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...

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Thu 06/25/15 09:56 PM








just another bush/republican bashing video... they are a dime a dozen on youtube...

so how do you explain the news reporter saying "building 7 has just fallen" as its clearly still standing in the background, and didnt fall till 20 minutes later?


i don't, can't won't... whether they tore it down or it fell, what does building 7 matter? the whole area was torn down anyway, and they got everyone out of the building, so why does building 7 matter in the least?


building 7 comes in to play to complete the story
do research and see how long it takes to pull a building and make it land in its own foot print .... just like the other 2 buildings

it can not be done in the amount of time they say

thing he is leaving out is all the people that where saying it was a black flag attack are dead .... way to many to be normal

as well as the moltain steal that the people on sight seen
that facts are there
people will see what they want to see


that's the one thing i cannot make sense of, the molten metal pouring out of the top... everything else i can get a grip on, but i have no explanation for that... not enough for me to think any different, but it is a mystery to me...

Thermite.
Why building7, not 3, not 6, not 5, 7. Pull it, then it goes.
Nobody's saying a reporter couldn't make a mistake, but one that has 0 chance of occurring... No plane hit that building, no debris. Still no reason at all for any liquid steel. Glass, yes. Jet fuel aflame can vaporize glass but not steel.

there was military grade thermite found at ground zero.


i never heard that report...

There's quite a few movies on Netflix about it. Spare change 9/11 is the only one I remember by name but there are better ones. Basically the 'wounds' don't fit the weapon. That's the determining forensic factor that begs further questions.

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Thu 06/25/15 10:09 PM
Urgent: Scientists Confirm Explosives Used to Demolish Towers on 9/11...

Physics Journal Publishes Hard Peer-reviewed Evidence of WTC Explosives...

Twenty-five Military Officers Call Official 9/11 story "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up", investigate 911 now...

Majority of 9/11 Commissioners Now Say Government Lied...

1,000 Architects & Engineers "calling for a Grand Jury investigation of NIST officials"...

Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.

The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."

Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)

Over a thousand architects, engineers, academics, and high-ranking military officers, as well as hundreds of 9/11 firemen, survivors, and family members have challenged the government's conspiracy theory. Twenty-five military officers call the official 9/11 story, "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up". Forty-one U.S. counter-terrorism and intelligence agency veterans challenge the official 9/11 account, calling it, "terribly flawed", "laced with contradictions", "a joke", "a cover-up".

The majority of 9/11 Commissioners now say that the government lied about 9/11, including its Chairman, Thomas Kean (Republican), Vice Chairman, Lee Hamilton (Democrat), and its Senior Legal Counsel, John Farmer, who states, "there was an agreement not to tell the truth."

According to a scientific poll by New York Times & CBS News, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11, while 81% think it is hiding something or mostly lying. CNN poll shows that 89% believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11.





America is Being Overthrown

Our Freedom is in Danger

Please Help Sound the Alarm NOW!

"The people are masters of both Congress and courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it!" --U.S. President Abraham Lincoln

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force Director of Advanced Space Programs, under Presidents Ford and Carter, says "The official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible." (source)

My name is Dr. Robert Bowman, and I have concluded that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible. There's a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened and who's responsible. Based on the facts, I believe that 9/11 was an insidious watershed event, which is crucial in understanding the reality that our government and mainstream media have been hijacked. As former U.S. Air Force Director of Advanced Space Programs Development, under Presidents Ford and Carter, I have been privy to a vast array of classified documents and maintain numerous high level contacts. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that our Republic has been overthrown from within and that we can unite to get it back.

Republican and Democratic Parties are "Two-Wings" of the same treasonous bird. A "Supranational Banking Cartel", based within the private ownership of the Federal Reserve System, administered through the CFR, has usurped their leadership. This Cartel is in collusion with large stockowners of numerous "Supranational Corporations", such as those of "Big Oil", "Big Pharma", and the "Industrial Military Complex". Their criminal agenda is covered-up by their corporately controlled media monopoly, which deceives the public with carefully scripted propaganda—designed to divide and conquer "We the People", into utter slavery—under an incrementally imposed "Scientific Dictatorship." (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)

"The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." --Plato

there is quite a few of ex-military/intelligence who believe 9/11 was an inside job and covered up.

Who are "They"?

"They" are the owners of the International Banking and Finance Cartel, as well as the Federal Reserve Banking Monopoly. "They" control the highest levels of our government. "They" sanctioned 9/11, as a catalyst for their larger criminal agenda, which they call the "New World Order".

These owners include families of the "Black Nobility", such as the House of Hanover, Germany; the House of Hapsburg, Austria; the House of Orange, Netherlands; the House of Lichtenstein in Lichtenstein, and most importantly the house of Guelph (Welf: dynasty of German dukes of Bavaria) in Britain.

More widely known are the Rockefeller's, Rothschild's, Warburg’s, Sinclair's (a.k.a. St. Clair or Saint Clair), Astor's, Oppenheimer’s, Schiff’s, and du Pont's, who have commissioned a seditious agenda, to gradually deindustrialize, demilitarize, and dismantle our Constitutional Republic. The insidious agenda of these "Banking Oligarch's" is to replace our Republic with an "Authoritarian Global Government", under the cloak of the United Nations, which they created, and will continue to control.

Their motivation is to sustain their power, by reducing world population over 92%, in an attempt to create a more controllable civilization. Otherwise, sense more are awaking to the existence of their criminal cabal, "We the People" would ultimately have a mass awakening, unite, and bring these criminals to justice, by prosecuting them for sedition, treason, and crimes against humanity, and would return their ill-gotten wealth, to the people, from whom it was stolen. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Please help us awaken and form alliances with our compartmentalized citizenry, military, police, and public officials, to this treasonous agenda, and organize "We the People" to restore our Republic and protect our Freedom!

Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor and top policy advisor to numerous administrations, says that we are entering the "technetronic era", which threatens democracy, and "...involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific knowhow. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. ... Persisting social crisis, the emergence of a charismatic personality, and the exploitation of mass media to obtain public confidence would be the steppingstones in the piecemeal transformation of the United States into a highly controlled society." --Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (page 97).

"I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --U.S. President Thomas Jefferson

hmmmm TPP, united nations, "one world" trade center, still not getting it yet?

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Thu 06/25/15 10:09 PM




windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...

Still that's bent, twisted, not liquefied. IF the plane hit one of thefour outer support beams, why did the building come straight down?
The second impact is more clear and seen from more angles goes straight into one side clipping the outer supports. Same result.
Building 7, no plane minor structural and fire damage, no plane parts, no jet fuel, straight down.
Listen to the firefighter describe the collapses then tell me what you think.

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Thu 06/25/15 10:18 PM





windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...

Still that's bent, twisted, not liquefied. IF the plane hit one of thefour outer support beams, why did the building come straight down?
The second impact is more clear and seen from more angles goes straight into one side clipping the outer supports. Same result.
Building 7, no plane minor structural and fire damage, no plane parts, no jet fuel, straight down.
Listen to the firefighter describe the collapses then tell me what you think.


exactly, not too mention the numerous accounts of people who worked in the trade centers, saying the months leading up to 9/11, there were "contractors" who had unlimited access throughout the whole building and were doing "maintenance". sounds like a pretty good cover for people planting explosions?

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Thu 06/25/15 10:19 PM





windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...

Still that's bent, twisted, not liquefied. IF the plane hit one of thefour outer support beams, why did the building come straight down?
The second impact is more clear and seen from more angles goes straight into one side clipping the outer supports. Same result.
Building 7, no plane minor structural and fire damage, no plane parts, no jet fuel, straight down.
Listen to the firefighter describe the collapses then tell me what you think.


steel doesn't have to be liquified to lose integrity... and falling straight down, what makes you think that a planned demo would make a building fall straight down from the upper floors? and , BTW, they didn't fall straight down, they both fell a little to one side or the other... and once the structural integrity was gone, each floor could not support the weight of the upper floors without the supports in place... each floor compounded the weights of the floors above them, so the pancake effect happened... IMO, they could not have planned it the way it happened, it's just to much stuff to do in to little of time....

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Thu 06/25/15 10:21 PM
first hand account of someone who worked in the trade towers up before 9/11 happened:

I have pointed this out before, and I will point it out again. First I would like to say that I have no official stance to what actually did or didn't happen on 9/11, but I am very open-minded.

I worked for a company, and one of our customers was in the WTC. I was working for them on site on various occasions, a year or so before 9/11. The WTC at that time was undergoing some heavy...maintenance. They had contractors working all over the building with open access. They could have brought anything in with them, and they did, I saw this.

While I was at security signing in, and they had checked my bag and emptied my pockets, these general contractors (who by the way didn't look like any general contractors I had ever seen before, they were sharp, clean cut, I worked in Bell Atlantic, Goldman Sachs, Pfizer, JP Morgan, never saw guys working at the most upscale places that looked like these guys) just walked right in, flashed a badge and in. The employees who worked there couldn't even do this.

I had to be escorted by the company I was seeing everywhere I was in the building. They themselves only had access to their own floor and no where else. These contractors literally had 24/7 access to everywhere. I mean everywhere. The guys who were escorting me told me this. If you see them around, they're just doing maintenance, checking the building out, they can go anywhere at anytime.

I was being escorted in a hallway, and my escort left me outside while he went to get something quickly, and one of these contractors was right there on a ladder, working up into the ceiling. I leaned over and looked up to see what he was doing, he was working directly on the steel joints of the building. As I leaned, he got upset, and immediately gave me a look and came down the ladder.

So do I think that over a period of a few years, that some general contractors smuggled in explosives and planted them all over the WTC? I don't know. Is it possible? **** yes it is.

In addition, I would like to point out, that it is bothersome that I never, ever heard anyone, a former employee, and investigator, anyone, even mention that this was going on in the WTC for a few years running before 9/11. As far as I know, I am the only person who has witnessed this and speaks of it publicly.

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Thu 06/25/15 10:27 PM




windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...


Correct, the bowing effect was caused by the floors. The heat caused the floor trusses to sag, and that 'pulled in' the outer shell. It is clear in a video just prior to the collapse.

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Thu 06/25/15 10:35 PM
its really clear to see whats going on, that is if your not brainwashed by television.

Georgetown University Professor & President Clinton's academic mentor, Dr. Carroll Quigley, says that powerful investment bankers have planned "a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole." (source)

Renowned historian, Dr. Carroll Quigley writes that after world war one, the "powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank, in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank, sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world. ... The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." --Dr. Carroll Quigley, Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, mentor to U.S. President Bill Clinton, renowned Historian, Professor of History at Georgetown University, consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. Navy, and the Select House Committee on Astronautics and Space Exploration, which went on to establish NASA. During his presidential acceptance speech at the 1992 Democratic National Convention, future U.S. President Bill Clinton named Dr. Quigley as an important influence.

"In short, the "house of world order" will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great "booming, buzzing confusion," to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault. Of course, for political as well as administrative reasons, some of these specialized arrangements should be brought into an appropriate relationship with the central institutions of the U.N. system, but the main thing is that the essential functions be performed." --Richard N. Gardner, The Hard Road to World Order, Foreign Affairs (Journal of the Council on Foreign Relations - CFR), page 558, Volume 52, Number 3, April 1974. Member of the Trilateral Commission, Senior Adviser to the United States Ambassador to the United Nations (U.N.)

"The modern banking system manufactures “money” out of nothing; and the process is, perhaps, the most, astounding piece of “sleight of hand” that was ever invented." --Lawrence Lee Bazley Angas, Author and Financial Luminary

"Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal — that there is no human relation between master and slave." --Leo Tolstoy

"You are a den of vipers! I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out! President Andrew Jackson agreed that a privately owned centralized banking system was unconstitutional and abolished the Rothschild controlled Second Bank of the United States, by vetoing it's re-charter by Congress in 1832. When asked his biggest achievement, Jackson replied, “I killed the bank.”

The First and Second Banks of the United States were controlled by the Bank of England, which was majority owned by the Rothschild dynasty. President Jackson argued that this foreign owned centralized banking monopoly needed to be abolished, because, it was unauthorized by the Constitution, subversive of the rights of the States, dangerous to the liberties of the people, and it concentrated the nation's financial strength in a single institution. It exposed the government to control by foreign interests. It served mainly to make the rich richer. It exercised too much control over members of Congress. (source)

Today, The Federal Reserve System, as was the First and Second Banks of the United States, is a private for profit corporation, which is largely foreign owned and controlled by the Rothschild dynasty. The U.S. must go back to printing our money at NO interest! As it is now, private offshore Banksters print money out of thin air and charge "We the People" interest.

Our founding fathers warned us of the dangers of privately owned centralized banking institutions, as this is the system they fought against the British in the American Revolution of 1776. This is why our Constitution says in Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, "The Congress shall have the power to ... coin money, regulate the value thereof..."

"The 12 Regional Reserve Banks aren't Government institutions but corporations nominally "owned" by member commercial banks, who must buy special, nonmarketable stock in their district Federal Reserve Bank." --David H. Friedman, Federal Reserve Bank of New York, December, 1977

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." --Senator Barry Goldwater

"When the President signs this bill [converting to a fiat-money system], the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized ... the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." --Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., 1913

"The five members of the Federal Reserve Board were impeached on the floor of the House by Rep. Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., Republican member of the House Banking and Currency Committee. According to Mr. Lindbergh, ‘the conspiracy began in’ 1906 when the late J.P. Morgan, Paul M. Warburg, a present member of the Federal Reserve Board, the National City Bank and other banking firms ‘conspired’ to obtain currency legislation in the interest of big business and the appointment of a special board to administer such a law, in order to create industrial slaves of the masses..." --Published in The New York Times, February 12, 1917

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." --Paul Moritz Warburg, drafter of the Federal Reserve Act and Rothschild's Agent, International Banker, German conspirator at Jekyll Island in 1910, to create the private for profit Federal Reserve Bank, public crusader for the Federal Reserve, as well as its second Vice Chairman, and Director of the Council on Foreign Relations, upon its founding, in 1921.

Federal Reserve System is an Unconstitutional Scourge Against "We the People"

Those Who Print the Money Print the News

To fully understand the Fed ~ you must review its dark history of greed and manipulation which begins with the Rothschild's.

1791-1811: Rothschild's First Bank of the United States.

1816-1836: Rothschild's Second Bank of the United States.

1837-1862: Free Banking Era - no formal Central Bank through the efforts of President Andrew Jackson, who , according to Jackson, the Rothschild's later tried to assassinate.

1862-1913: System of National Banks through the efforts of President Andrew Jackson. (source)



An effective tactic that our usurped government uses against "We the People" is the "Terror Doctrine" or "Problem-Reaction-Solution". Our usurped government creates or exploits a problem then attributes blame to others. Not realizing that our government has been usurped, "We the People" react by demanding that our civil servants provide a solution. Government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis. The outcome is that the agenda of the government usurpers is supported, as their solution entails rights and liberties being exchanged for the illusion of protection, as well as furthering the size, power, and oppression of centralized government, which the usurpers control; thereby increasing their own power.

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson." --U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House (Woodrow Wilson's mentor)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Thu 06/25/15 10:41 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 06/25/15 10:43 PM
Now, to the video in the op. The author is a competent rhetorician and employs emotive adjectives liberally in order to manipulate the audience-a clear indicator of editorial bias and that needs to be kept in mind throughout the viewing of this film.

15) This point is basically an argument from incredulity. The funding allocation has nothing to do with the outcome and this is the expected result of the tactic. This tactic is a Red Herring. Although many of the commissioners expressed their apprehension over the funding early on, upon conclusion they stated that they were pleased with the results of the commission and that they had achieved their aims.

13) The accounts of people being hindered from leaving the tower are just fantastic, and his transcript doesn't really have much to say on this and it is based on hearsay. As many know, I'm quite aware of most of the canards presented by 9/11 truth and this one hasn't surfaced until recently. I'm sure this is a misinterpretation of the rescue crews trying to keep the evacuation orderly. I will look further into this one.

14) This one is weird. When I saw it I thought WTF? Anyway, it is more innuendo and it actually misrepresents the evidence in one point. The author appears to be trying to imply that the First responders were 'playing' at being survivors (thus expecting the viewer to assume there were no survivors) when in actual fact, they had to train the dogs on site to find survivors as the dogs had never encountered such a scenario. I find this one strange.

13) Another weird one. The artist? This is just a coincidence and has no bearing on the events of the day. I don't even know why the author included this one. Again, strange.

12) PNAP. This is merely 'joining the dots' and there is no supporting evidence to suggest collusion in some nefarious plot. Another Red Herring and misrepresentation by innuendo.

11) The 9/11 Commission. See above (15) to address much of this, however, it is strange that he argues from incredulity that the 9/11 commission report didn't say anything about 7WTC. It wasn't meant to. The 9/11 commission was charged with finding out how the attack occurred, not how the buildings fell-that was the mission of the NIST report. Again, weird.

That's up to about the 5:00 minute mark. More later.

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Thu 06/25/15 10:42 PM
Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army, Director of Ground Weapons Systems, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as Chief Pentagon Arms Negotiator for the Middle East, says "70%" of the military brass have awoken to the criminal civilian hierarchy, and are "with us", and "when the military strikes, they will strike to kill." (source)

In a groundbreaking interview with former Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, by nationally syndicated talk show host, Alex Jones, Col. Donn de Grand-Pre says that 70% of our military brass are remaining true to their Constitutional oath and are preparing to defend our Republic against the criminal traitors who have subverted our government.

Alex: "What percentage of the officers period, in the military, do you think have finally woken up to the true magnitude of what’s going on?"

Grand-Pre: "Well, I am in personal contact at least on a weekly basis, with the Joint Chiefs and other select people. My computation is that 70% of us are with us. That’s the higher ranking military; field grade officers, ext., and even the first three grades of the enlisted, 70% are with us."

Alex: "...your saying these elements in the military when push came to shove are going to stand up. Well, I would say that 911 was the globalists pushing. So, where's the shove?"

Grand-Pre: "Well this will come. It's going to be in the form of a counter-coup d'état."

Alex: "Well, I mean, it's ongoing. They are federalizing everything, they are militarizing everything, they're engaging in the classic takeover, are they not?"

Grand-Pre: "Yes they are. And ... the only way we can stop it is with the classic counter-coup d'état where the military steps in. And under the aegis of the military itself, disengaging or disemboweling the civilian hierarchy and taking over and re-running or re-organizing the federal government."

Caller: "You mean like John Poindexter?"

Grand-Pre: "This is correct, and you've got one of the guys. But, my percentage remains the same. 70% of the uniformed military are with us, and if push comes to shove, they can prove it."

Alex: "Do you think that’s what’s been holding them back to go into full-bore martial law Colonel?"

Grand-Pre: "Yes I do. Yes I do, their afraid of the civilian hierarchy and the power that it has in the persona of Homeland Security. But, when the military strikes, it will strike to kill."

The main thrust of the interview focuses on Col. Donn de Grand-Pre's personal knowledge of 9/11. The Colonel's background includes: Director of Ground Weapons Systems for the U.S. Army, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as Chief Pentagon Arms Negotiator for the Middle East. Former Civilian Deputy Chief of the International Division, Office of the Chief of Research and Development. Also served as Commander of Special Troops for the U.S. Army Reserves. Served as radio operator in World War II. Became commissioned officer in 1950. Infantry troop leader and paratrooper, as well as a combat troop commander and intelligence officer with the 27th Infantry "Wolfhound" Regiment in Korea 1950 - 1953. FAA certified private pilot.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." --John 8:21, Bible

An upside down flag is an international symbol of distress and the above indicates that the U.S. is under British siege.

"We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." --James Warburg, powerful international investment banker, February 17, 1950, as he testified in hearings before the Committee on Foreign Relations during the Eighty-First Congress, United States Senate Commission on Foreign Policy (U.S. Printing Office, page 494). His father was Paul Warburg, who was also a powerful international investment banker and Rothschild agent, who conspired to create the private for profit Federal Reserve Banking System during a secret meeting on Jekyll Island in 1910. Paul Warburg became the Fed's second Vice Chairman, as well as the Director of the Council on Foreign Relations upon its founding in 1921. Paul Warburg's brother, Max Warburg, who, with the Oppenheimers, was the principal backer of the "Nazis", along with George Bush's Grandfather, Senator Prescott Bush, Director of Brown Brothers Harriman, whose assets were seized in 1942, under the Trading with the Enemy Act

"The Dulles brothers were later to play crucial roles in setting up the Hitler regime in Germany, preparing the way for World War II, and respectively as Secretary of State and founder of the CIA in the postwar period. Allen Dulles remained a director of the Schroder Bank, which handled Hitler's personal funds; Dulles consigned many millions of dollars to the Schroder as "covert" funds for the CIA." --Eustace Mullins, "The Curse Of Canaan: A Demonology Of History", (1987)

Even though Allen Dulles, the Director of the CIA, was fired by President John F. Kennedy, President Lyndon Baines Johnson (L.B.J.) appointed Dulles as one of the seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to oversee the investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy. (source)

"The art of leadership ... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. ... The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category." --Adolf Hitler, German dictator, Mein Kampf (vol. 1, ch. 3, 1925)

"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create money. … And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people." --Reginald McKenna, Chairman of the Board of Midland Bank

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." --U.S. President Thomas Jefferson

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, PhD, Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, former Editor of the Wall Street Journal, says that scientists present "massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax." (source)

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts says, "Any fool can look at those films and see the buildings aren't falling down, they're blowing up. ...I just try to say what the evidence supports. I never believed 9/11, because I had engineering training at Georgia Tech and I could tell when a building is being blown up by explosives. (source) ...Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East. (source) ...We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false. (source) Throughout its existence the US government has staged incidents that the government then used in behalf of purposes that it could not otherwise have pursued. ...Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda? ...Only a diehard minority believes in the ... truthfulness of the corporate media. ...Hitler, who never achieved majority support in a German election, used the Reichstag fire to fan hysteria and push through the Enabling Act, which made him dictator. Determined tyrants never require majority support in order to overthrow constitutional orders. The American constitutional system is near to being overthrown. Are coming "terrorist" events of which Chertoff warns and Santorum promises the means for overthrowing our constitutional democracy? (source) --Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, PhD, Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan. Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. Former William E. Simon chair in political economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University. Former Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. Author or co-author of several books on economics and politics.

Aaron Swirski, one of the architects of the World Trade Center, said they designed the towers to withstand airplane collisions. "I designed it for a 707 hit, he said." The collapse of the buildings came as a complete "shock" to him and his colleagues.

Van Romero, a demolition expert, former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center, and current vice present for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology said that the manner in which the twin towers collapsed, resembled those of controlled implosions used in planned demolition. "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero said.

"In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great mass of people will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one." --Adolph Hitler

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." --John Lennon

"Fall Of The Republic" is an outstanding must see documentary. Nonpartisan in nature, it documents how an offshore corporate cartel is bankrupting the U.S. economy by design. Leaders are now declaring that world government has arrived and that the dollar will be replaced by a New Global Currency, as documented with this official IMF Blueprint, attained from imf.org

The film above reveals the architecture of the New World Order and what the power elite have in store for humanity. More importantly it communicates how "We the People" can retake control of our government, turn the criminal tide and bring the tyrants to justice.

Simply telling people about the "New World Order" tends to alienate them. However, providing key documentaries, such as "Fall of the Republic" (watch Free above), as well as many others listed within, have proven to be very successful. Most of the producers of these documentaries (including Fall of the Republic) ask that we burn copies and pass them out for Free.

The good news is that our military and citizenry are awakening to this subversive agenda. Now is the time to become active and do our part to help awaken everyone we can. It is not just our right; it is our Constitutional duty, as well as our military, to expose treason and despotism. We must bring these criminal traitors to justice and restore our Republic before it is too late.

"And have no fellowship with the untruthful works of darkness, but rather expose them." --Ephesians 5:11, Bible

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --U.S. President Thomas Jefferson

"It was said, I think, by Dr. Johnson that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." This may well be true. Sinclair Lewis aptly predicted in It Can't Happen Here that if fascism came to America it would come wrapped in the flag and whistling 'The Star Spangled Banner.'" --Harrison Evans Salisbury, The Many Americans Shall be One (1971, page 29)

"Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool." --Plato

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Thu 06/25/15 10:45 PM

Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army, Director of Ground Weapons Systems, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as Chief Pentagon Arms Negotiator for the Middle East, says "70%" of the military brass have awoken to the criminal civilian hierarchy, and are "with us", and "when the military strikes, they will strike to kill." (source)


Mate, you should just stick to the OP. No-one is going to bother with a gish gallop of mined quotes etc.

I'm just scrolling past and I'm sure others will be as well.


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Thu 06/25/15 10:53 PM
Senator Max Cleland, former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in disgust, saying "It is a national scandal." (source)

U.S. Senator Max Cleland says, "If this decision stands [to limit access to White House documents], I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the Commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised. . . . This is `The Gong Show'; this isn't protection of national security ... It is a national scandal." --Senator Max Cleland, former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in disgust, December 2003. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997 - 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Former Captain, U.S. Army. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.

Our two-party system is broken. Our country is being stolen. Supranational Corporate Oligarchs have hijacked our federal government and mainstream media, by controlling both the democratic and republican parties. Their agenda is to incorporate the U.S. under the U.N., as an "Authoritarian Global Government".

Now is the time for "We the People" to peacefully, legally, and lawfully organize our military, police, and all public officials to take back our stolen Country, with the brilliant mechanisms that our founding fathers provided within our Constitution, to protect our Freedom. We must act now before it is too late!

We can create political power with a peaceful "Jeffersonian Revolution", by uniting our local, county, and state governments in alliance with our military and militia to reclaim our seized federal government, by exposing the criminal conspiracy and its treasonous agenda, which includes mass depopulation and an authoritarian regime.

As "We the People" take peaceful, lawful, and constitutional power of our system, from the ground up, we well be able to perform a full investigation and bring the treasonous criminal conspirators to justice, and avoid violent insurrection. Why fight our government when we can be our government?

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." --J. Edgar Hoover

there is WAY WAY TOO MUCH for me to keep posting. this is just a small percentage of evidence to show that 9/11 was an inside job in an effort for criminal elements to take over america. AND THEY ARE DOING IT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ALL OF OUR FACES. how does our freedom, make us less safe? that we need to keep giving up freedoms, to keep us safe from boogey men that live in caves on the other side of the world. wake up people, the TPP should be a big wake up call to all of us.

look for yourself at all the ex-military/intelligence officers/ scientists/bankers/historians are trying to tell us. you wont see this on the main stream media because they have bought all of the media companies, and its not like they are going to tattle on themselves.

http://investigate911.org/

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Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army, Director of Ground Weapons Systems, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as Chief Pentagon Arms Negotiator for the Middle East, says "70%" of the military brass have awoken to the criminal civilian hierarchy, and are "with us", and "when the military strikes, they will strike to kill." (source)


Mate, you should just stick to the OP. No-one is going to bother with a gish gallop of mined quotes etc.

I'm just scrolling past and I'm sure others will be as well.




well maybe you should try reading the "gish gallop of mined quotes", for if you read them, it will all make sense to you as to why 9/11 was perpetrated.

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Thu 06/25/15 10:57 PM






windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...

Still that's bent, twisted, not liquefied. IF the plane hit one of thefour outer support beams, why did the building come straight down?
The second impact is more clear and seen from more angles goes straight into one side clipping the outer supports. Same result.
Building 7, no plane minor structural and fire damage, no plane parts, no jet fuel, straight down.
Listen to the firefighter describe the collapses then tell me what you think.


steel doesn't have to be liquified to lose integrity... and falling straight down, what makes you think that a planned demo would make a building fall straight down from the upper floors? and , BTW, they didn't fall straight down, they both fell a little to one side or the other... and once the structural integrity was gone, each floor could not support the weight of the upper floors without the supports in place... each floor compounded the weights of the floors above them, so the pancake effect happened... IMO, they could not have planned it the way it happened, it's just to much stuff to do in to little of time....

Moe, you've played jenga before or watched it. There's a number of moves removing the inside and placing them palette style on top. Once thats done the next move topples everything above. Not below. One structure causes a 'blow over' collapse. Structural collapse due to loss of integrity AT THE BASE causes collapse from the bottom up. Generalized, the planes hit the upper third of the towers. Collapse didn't occur until well around an hour after impact. The impact did not knock the top off or even pass through the inner support.
Fire burns up not down. The tops of the towers should have burned for hours and hours without coming down like the Windsor. Instead the buildings N S and 7 come down mostly on their footprints like the old Vegas casino hotels.

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Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 06/25/15 11:06 PM



well maybe you should try reading the "gish gallop of mined quotes", for if you read them, it will all make sense to you as to why 9/11 was perpetrated.


No, sorry, I don't bother with quote mining as I have to check every one for its original context and that is boring. Contextomy is quite a dishonest form of debate, especially in a Gish gallop of this magnitude.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Sorry, I don't jump through truther hoops anymore. I don't care if you do it, it was just some advice on debating protocols.

Anyway, aren't we discussing the points in the video? Wtf on the artist being included?

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Thu 06/25/15 11:12 PM
over 200 views in less than 3 hours, i would say i definitely accomplished my goal of once again bringing light to the fraud that was 9/11. there are threads that have been on here for days, and dont have this many views, but yet only the same few people seem to be the only ones commenting. seems like alot of people are interested in this and watching what we are saying, but too afraid to comment in fear of being ridiculed. dont be afraid, its a forum, we are here to talk. if you think 9/11 is clearly a fraud speak up! if you think criminals have hijacked our government and are steering us downward, speak up! the information is all there, its so god damned easy to see. our government is about to sell us out with the TPP, one step closer to the new world order global government, and people are still denying it. sometimes people just will not believe no matter how much evidence you show them. THESE CRIMINALS ARE ON RECORD SAYING WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE U.S., AND THEY ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, AND PEOPLE ARE STILL TRYING TO DENY IT! WAKE UP!

dont be afriad to speak up, us "truthers" are the majority!



"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great mass of people will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one." --Adolph Hitler

"Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool." --Plato

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." --J. Edgar Hoover

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well maybe you should try reading the "gish gallop of mined quotes", for if you read them, it will all make sense to you as to why 9/11 was perpetrated.


No, sorry, I don't bother with quote mining as I have to check every one for its original context and that is boring. Contextomy is quite a dishonest form of debate, especially in a Gish gallop of this magnitude.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quote_mining

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Sorry, I don't jump through truther hoops anymore. I don't care if you do it, it was just some advice on debating protocols.

Anyway, aren't we discussing the points in the video? Wtf on the artist being included?

to be honest, i wasnt sure why that was there either. it seemed pretty irrelevant, but everything else seemed relevant. maybe there is more to why he included that, but i cant say for sure.

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Thu 06/25/15 11:55 PM







windsor hotel burns for 23 hours, on many floors and remains standing, steel structure stays intact. south tower burned for 56 minutes, north tower burned for 102 minutes, and fell freefall style. that doesnt sound a little odd to you?


what jet full of fuel crashed into the 88th floor of the windsor hotel?

No plane crashed into the hotel, spraying the contents of the impacted floors people fuel paper furniture glass out around the building. Plus the shockwaves of the explosives, yes I meant to say explosives, ejected even more debris outside the buildings leaving only the superstructure of towers 1 &2 and shrapnel from the fuselage to burn. A fire without fuel doesn't burn hotter. The more fuel there is to burn the longer and hotter it will burn IF it's still getting oxygen. Basic fire safety teaches that type D extinguishers are the only ones that work for burning metal. Even with coal oak and bellows a blacksmith only gets iron or steel glowing to increase maleability, not liquid.


that seems logical... the difference is that WTCs still had 20-30 floors above where the planes hit, so the steel didn't have to melt, just weaken... then gravity/weight of the upper floors does the rest

and don't forget, the WTC's were designed with exo-skeleton, and the planes took out 1 of 4 sides of that, making it weak at the very start... there's quite a few videos that show the steel on the outside bowing with the weight before it pancaked...

Still that's bent, twisted, not liquefied. IF the plane hit one of thefour outer support beams, why did the building come straight down?
The second impact is more clear and seen from more angles goes straight into one side clipping the outer supports. Same result.
Building 7, no plane minor structural and fire damage, no plane parts, no jet fuel, straight down.
Listen to the firefighter describe the collapses then tell me what you think.


steel doesn't have to be liquified to lose integrity... and falling straight down, what makes you think that a planned demo would make a building fall straight down from the upper floors? and , BTW, they didn't fall straight down, they both fell a little to one side or the other... and once the structural integrity was gone, each floor could not support the weight of the upper floors without the supports in place... each floor compounded the weights of the floors above them, so the pancake effect happened... IMO, they could not have planned it the way it happened, it's just to much stuff to do in to little of time....

Moe, you've played jenga before or watched it. There's a number of moves removing the inside and placing them palette style on top. Once thats done the next move topples everything above. Not below. One structure causes a 'blow over' collapse. Structural collapse due to loss of integrity AT THE BASE causes collapse from the bottom up. Generalized, the planes hit the upper third of the towers. Collapse didn't occur until well around an hour after impact. The impact did not knock the top off or even pass through the inner support.
Fire burns up not down. The tops of the towers should have burned for hours and hours without coming down like the Windsor. Instead the buildings N S and 7 come down mostly on their footprints like the old Vegas casino hotels.
jenga, really?????whoa

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Fri 06/26/15 12:03 AM

just another bush/republican bashing video... they are a dime a dozen on youtube...


Yup, that's all it was.