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The Jesus story in fact incorporated elements from the tales of other deities recorded in this widespread area, such as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God," most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were crucified or executed.
* Adad of Assyria * Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece * Alcides of Thebes * Attis of Phrygia * Baal of Phoenicia * Bali of Afghanistan * Beddru of Japan * Buddha of India * Crite of Chaldea * Deva Tat of Siam * Hesus of the Druids * Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character * Indra of Tibet/India * Jao of Nepal * Krishna of India * Mikado of the Sintoos * Mithra of Persia * Odin of the Scandinavians * Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece * Quetzalcoatl of Mexico * Salivahana of Bermuda * Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move, later turned into the disciple Thomas) * Thor of the Gauls * Universal Monarch of the Sibyls * Wittoba of the Bilingonese * Xamolxis of Thrace * Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia * Zoar of the Bonzes _______________________________ BUDDHA Although most people think of Buddha as being one person who lived around 500 B.C.E., like Jesus the character commonly portrayed as Buddha can also be demonstrated to be a compilation of godmen, legends and sayings of various holy men both preceding and succeeding the period attributed to the Buddha. The Buddha character has the following in common with the Christ figure: * Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the "Queen of Heaven." * He was of royal descent. * He crushed a serpent's head. * Sakyamuni Buddha had 12 disciples. * He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a "small basket of cakes," and walked on water. * He abolished idolatry, was a "sower of the word," and preached "the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness." * He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. * He was transfigured on a mount. * Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected. * He ascended to Nirvana or "heaven." * Buddha was considered the "Good Shepherd", the "Carpenter", the "Infinite and Everlasting." * He was called the "Savior of the World" and the "Light of the World." Regarding the Buddhist influence on the gospel story, in 2003 Buddhist and Sanskrit scholar Dr. Christian Lindtner wrote the following: "The Sanskrit manuscripts prove without a shadow of doubt: "Everything that Jesus says or does was already said or done by the Buddha. "Jesus, therefore, is a mere literary fiction. * "The Last Supper was the Last Supper of the Buddha. * "Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit was baptism in the name of the Buddha, the Dharma and the Samgha. * "All the miracles performed by Jesus had already been performed by the Buddha. * "The twelve disciples of Jesus were, in fact, the twelve disciples of the Buddha. * "It was king Gautama--not Jesus--who was crucified. * "It was Tathâgata--not Jesus--who was resurrected.... * "There is nothing in the Gospels, no person, no event, that cannot be traced back to cognate persons, events or circumstances in the Buddhist gospels. * "...Jesus is a Buddha disguised as a new Jewish legislator, teacher, Messiah and king of Israel. "The Gospels, forming the foundation of Christianity, are, therefore, typical Buddhist literature, fiction, designed for missionaries whose language was Greek." Concerning the "crucifixion" of Buddha, as related in a Buddhist text dating to the first century BCE (Samghabhedavastu/ Mahâparinirvâna sûtra), Ken Humphreys states: "In this story of 'Gautama, a holy man' our hero is wrongfully condemned to die on the cross for murdering the courtesan Bhadra. Gautama is impaled on a cross, and his mentor Krishna Dvapayana visits him and enters into a long dialogue, at the end of which Gautama dies at the place of skulls after engendering two offspring - the progenitors of the Ikshavaku Dynasty." Humphreys further relates that "the dead Buddha is burned and it is the smoke of his corpse which rises - the true 'resurrection.'" According to Dr. Burkhard Scherer, a "classical Philologist, Indologist and Lecturer in Religious Studies (Buddhist and Hindu Studies)" at Canterbury Christ Church University, the fact that there is "massive" Buddhist influence in the gospels has long been well known among the elite scholars. Says Dr. Scherer: "...it is very important to draw attention on the fact that there is (massive) Buddhist influence in the Gospels.... "Since more than hundred years Buddhist influence in the Gospels has been known and acknowledged by scholars from both sides. Just recently, Duncan McDerret published his excellent The Bible and the Buddhist (Sardini, Bornato [Italy] 2001). With McDerret, I am convinced that there are many Buddhist narratives in the Gospels." ____________________________ HORUS OF EGYPT The stories of Jesus and Horus are very similar, with Horus even contributing the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one").41 The legends of Horus go back thousands of years, and he shares the following in common with Jesus: * Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. * He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old. * Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist." * He had 12 disciples. * He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead. * He walked on water. * Horus was transfigured on the Mount. * He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected. * He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc. * He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").45 * Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."46 * Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story. In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis--the original "Madonna and Child"--and the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, who shares many qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus character was formalized. The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced50. Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions. _________________________ MITHRA, SUNGOD OF PERSIA The story of Mithra precedes the Christian fable by at least 600 years. According to Wheless, the cult of Mithra was, shortly before the Christian era, "the most popular and widely spread 'Pagan' religion of the times." Mithra has the following in common with the Christ character: * Mithra was born on December 25th. * He was considered a great traveling teacher and master. * He had 12 companions or disciples. * He performed miracles. * He was buried in a tomb. * After three days he rose again. * His resurrection was celebrated every year. * Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd." * He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah." * He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb. * His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ. * Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected. * His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper." ____________________ KRISHNA OF INDIA The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah are many. Indeed, Massey finds over 100 similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors, and Graves, who includes the various noncanonical gospels in his analysis, lists over 300 likenesses. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was "Christna," which reveals its relation to '"Christ." It should also be noted that, like the Jewish godman, many people have believed in a historical, carnalized Krishna. * Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One") * His father was a carpenter. * His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.54a * He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants. * He was of royal descent. * He was baptized in the River Ganges. * He worked miracles and wonders. * He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind. * Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love. * "He lived poor and he loved the poor." * He was transfigured in front of his disciples. * In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves. * He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. * Krishna is called the "Shepherd God" and "Lord of lords," and was considered "the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word." * He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the "Resurrection" and the "way to the Father." * He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," ("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. * His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence." * Krishna is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who will desolate the earth. _______________________ PROMETHEUS OF GREECE The Greek god Prometheus has been claimed to have come from Egypt, but his drama took place in the Caucasus mountains. Prometheus shares a number of striking similarities with the Christ character. * Prometheus descended from heaven as God incarnate as man, to save mankind. * He was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead. * He was called the Logos or Word. Five centuries before the Christian era, esteemed Greek poet Aeschylus wrote Prometheus Bound, which, according to Taylor, was presented in the theater in Athens. Taylor claims that in the play Prometheus is crucified "on a fatal tree" and the sky goes dark: "The darkness which closed the scene on the suffering Prometheus, was easily exhibited on the stage, by putting out the lamps; but when the tragedy was to become history, and the fiction to be turned into fact, the lamp of day could not be so easily disposed of. Nor can it be denied that the miraculous darkness which the Evangelists so solemnly declare to have attended the crucifixion of Christ, labours under precisely the same fatality of an absolute and total want of evidence." Tradition holds that Prometheus was crucified on a rock, yet some sources have opined that legend also held he was crucified on a tree and that Christians muddled the story and/or mutilated the text, as they did with the works of so many ancient authors. In any case, the sun hiding in darkness parallels the Christian fable of the darkness descending when Jesus was crucified. This remarkable occurrence is not recorded in history but is only explainable within the Mythos and as part of a recurring play. ___________________________ THE "SON" OF GOD IS THE "SUN" OF GOD The reason why all these narratives are so similar, with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula (the "Mythos," as mentioned above) revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. For instance, many of the world's crucified godmen have their traditional birthday on December 25th ("Christmas"). This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th. The following are the characteristics of the "sun of God": * The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. * In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin." * The sun is the "Light of the World." * The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him." * The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind." * The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo. * The sun "walks on water." * The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. * The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. * The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. * The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. Contrary to popular belief, the ancients were not an ignorant and superstitious lot who actually believed their deities to be literal characters. Indeed, this slanderous propaganda has been part of making the ancients appear as if they were truly the dark and dumb rabble that was in need of the "light of Jesus." The reality is that the ancients were no less advanced in their morals and spiritual practices, and in many cases were far more advanced, than the Christians in their own supposed morality and ideology, which, in its very attempt at historicity, is in actuality a degradation of the ancient Mythos. Indeed, unlike the "superior" Christians, the true intelligentsia amongst the ancients were well aware that their gods were astronomical and atmospheric in nature. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle surely knew that Zeus, the sky god father figure who migrated to Greece from India and/or Egypt, was never a real person, despite the fact that the Greeks have designated on Crete both a birth cave and a death cave of Zeus. In addition, all over the world are to be found sites where this god or that allegedly was born, walked, suffered, died, etc., a common and unremarkable occurrence that is not monopolized by, and did not originate with, Christianity. _________________ ETYMOLOGY TELLES THE STORY Zeus, aka "Zeus Pateras," who we now automatically believe to be a myth and not a historical figure, takes his name from the Indian version, "Dyaus Pitar." Dyaus Pitar in turn is related to the Egyptian "Ptah," and from both Pitar and Ptah comes the word "pater," or "father." "Zeus" equals "Dyaus," which became "Deos," "Deus" and "Dios"--"God." "Zeus Pateras," like Dyaus Pitar, means, "God the Father," a very ancient concept that in no way originated with "Jesus" and Christianity. There is no question of Zeus being a historical character. Dyaus Pitar becomes "Jupiter" in Roman mythology, and likewise is not representative of an actual, historical character. In Egyptian mythology, Ptah, the Father, is the unseen god-force, and the sun was viewed as Ptah's visible proxy who brings everlasting life to the earth; hence, the "son of God" is really the "sun of God." Indeed, according to Hotema, the very name "Christ" comes from the Hindi word "Kris" (as in Krishna), which is a name for the sun. Furthermore, since Horus was called "Iusa/Iao/Iesu" the "KRST," and Krishna/Christna was called "Jezeus," centuries before any Jewish character similarly named, it would be safe to assume that Jesus Christ is just a repeat of Horus and Krishna, among the rest. According to Rev. Taylor, the title "Christ" in its Hebraic form meaning "Anointed" ("Masiah") was held by all kings of Israel, as well as being "so commonly assumed by all sorts of impostors, conjurers, and pretenders to supernatural communications, that the very claim to it is in the gospel itself considered as an indication of imposture..." Hotema states that the name "Jesus Christ" was not formally adopted in its present form until after the first Council of Nicea, i.e., in 325 C.E. In actuality, even the place names and the appellations of many other characters in the New Testament can be revealed to be Hebraicized renderings of the Egyptian texts. As an example, in the fable of "Lazarus," the mummy raised from the dead by Jesus, the Christian copyists did not change his name much, "El-Azar-us" being the Egyptian mummy raised from the dead by Horus possibly 1,000 years or more before the Jewish version. This story is allegory for the sun reviving its old, dying self, or father, as in "El-Osiris." It is not a true story. Horus's principal enemy--originally Horus's other face or "dark" aspect - was "Set" or "Sata," whence comes "Satan." Horus struggles with Set in the exact manner that Jesus battles with Satan, with 40 days in the wilderness, among other similarities. This is because this myth represents the triumph of light over dark, or the sun's return to relieve the terror of the night. "Jerusalem" simply means "City of Peace," and the actual city in Israel was named after the holy city of peace in the Egyptian sacred texts that already existed at the time the city was founded. Likewise, "Bethany," site of the famous multiplying of the loaves, means "House of God," and is allegory for the "multiplication of the many out of the One." Any town of that designation was named for the allegorical place in the texts that existed before the town's foundation. The Egyptian predecessor and counterpart is "Bethanu." ____________________________ THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS EGYPTIAN AND ZOROASTRIAN One can find certain allegorical place names such as "Jerusalem" and "Israel" in the Book of Revelation. Massey has stated that Revelation, rather than having been written by any apostle called John during the 1st Century C.E., is a very ancient text that dates to the beginning of this era of history, i.e. possibly as early as 4,000 years ago. Massey asserts that Revelation relates the Mithraic legend of Zarathustra/Zoroaster. Hotema says of this mysterious book, which has baffled mankind for centuries: "It is expressed in terms of creative phenomena; its hero is not Jesus but the Sun of the Universe, its heroine is the Moon; and all its other characters are Planets, Stars and Constellations; while its stage-setting comprises the Sky, the Earth, the Rivers and the Sea." The common form of this text has been attributed by Churchward to Horus's scribe, Aan, whose name has been passed down to us as "John." The word Israel itself, far from being a Jewish appellation, probably comes from the combination of three different reigning deities: Isis, the Earth Mother Goddess revered throughout the ancient world; Ra, the Egyptian sungod; and El, the Semitic deity passed down in form as Saturn. El was one of the earliest names for the god of the ancient Hebrews (whence Emmanu-El, Micha-El, Gabri-El, Samu-El, etc., and his worship is reflected in the fact that the Jews still consider Saturday as "God's Day." Indeed, that the Christians worship on Sunday betrays the genuine origins of their god and godman. Their "savior" is actually the sun, which is the "Light of the world that every eye can see." The sun has been viewed consistently throughout history as the savior of mankind for reasons that are obvious. Without the sun, the planet would scarcely last one day. So important was the sun to the ancients that they composed a "Sun Book," or "Helio Biblia," which became the "Holy Bible." The "Patriarchs" and "Saints" are the Gods of Other Cultures When one studies mythmaking, one can readily discern and delineate a pattern that is repeated throughout history. Whenever an invading culture takes over its predecessors, it either vilifies the preceding deities or makes them into lesser gods, "patriarchs" or, in the case of Christianity, "saints." This process is exemplified in the adoption of the Hindu god Brahma as the Hebrew patriarch Abraham. Another school of thought proposes that the patriarch Joshua was based on Horus as "Iusa," since the cult of Horus had migrated by this period to the Levant. In this theory, the cult of Joshua, which was situated in exactly the area where the Christ drama allegedly took place, then mutated into the Christian story, with Joshua becoming Jesus. As Robertson says, "The Book of Joshua leads us to think that he had several attributes of the Sun-god, and that, like Samson and Moses, he was an ancient deity reduced to human status." Indeed, the legend of Moses, rather than being that of a historical Hebrew character, is found around the ancient Middle and Far East, with the character having different names and races, depending on the locale: "Manou" is the Indian legislator; "Nemo the lawgiver," who brought down the tablets from the Mountain of God, hails from Babylon; "Mises" is found in Syria and Egypt, where also "Manes the lawgiver" takes the stage; "Minos" is the Cretan reformer; and the Ten Commandments are simply a repetition of the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi and the Hindu Vedas, among others. Like Moses, Krishna was placed by his mother in a reed boat and set adrift in a river to be discovered by another woman. A century ago, Massey outlined, and Graham recently reiterated, that even the Exodus itself is not a historical event. That the historicity of the Exodus has been questioned is echoed by the lack of any archaeological record, as is reported in Biblical Archaeology Review ("BAR"), September/October 1994. Like many biblical characters, Noah is also a myth, long ago appropriated from the Egyptians, the Sumerians and others, as any sophisticated scholar could demonstrate, and yet we find all sorts of books--some even presumably "channeling" the "ultimate truth" from a mystical, omniscient, omnipresent and eternal being such as Jesus himself - prattling on about a genuine, historical Noah, his extraordinary adventures, and the "Great Flood!" Additionally, the "Esther" of the Old Testament Book of Esther is a remake of the Goddess Ishtar, Astarte, Astoreth or Isis, from whom comes "Easter" and about whose long and ubiquitous reign little is said in "God's infallible Word." Per Harwood (Mythology's Last Gods, 230), "Esther" is best transliterated "Ishtar" and "Mordechai" is "Mardukay." The Virgin Mother/Goddess/Queen of Heaven motif is found around the globe, long before the Christian era, with Isis, for instance, also being called "Mata-Meri" ("Mother Mary"). As Walker says, "Mari" was the "basic name of the Goddess known to the Chaldeans as Marratu, to the Jews as Marah, to the Persians as Mariham, to the Christians as Mary... Semites worshipped an androgynous combination of Goddess and God called Mari-El (Mary-God), corresponding to the Egyptian Meri-Ra, which combined the feminine principle of water with the masculine principle of the sun." Even the Hebraic name of God, "Yahweh," was taken from the Egyptian "IAO." In one of the most notorious of Christian deceptions, in order to convert followers of "Lord Buddha," the Church canonized him as "St. Josaphat," which represented a Christian corruption of the buddhistic title, "Bodhisat." __________________________ THE "DISCIPLES" ARE THE SIGNS OF THE ZODIAC Moreover, it is no accident that there are 12 patriarchs and 12 disciples, 12 being the number of the astrological signs, or months. Indeed, like the 12 Herculean tasks and the 12 "helpers" of Horus, Jesus's 12 disciples are symbolic for the zodiacal signs and do not depict any literal figures who played out a drama upon the earth circa 30 C.E. The disciples can be shown to have been an earlier deity/folkloric hero/constellation. Peter is easily revealed to be a mythological character, while Judas has been said to represent Scorpio, "the backbiter," the time of year when the sun's rays are weakening and the sun appears to be dying. James, "brother of Jesus" and "brother of the Lord," is equivalent to Amset, brother of Osiris and brother of the Lord. Massey says "Taht-Matiu was the scribe of the gods, and in Christian art Matthew is depicted as the scribe of the gods, with an angel standing near him, to dictate the gospel." Even the apostle Paul is a compilation of several characters: The Old Testament Saul, Apollonius of Tyana and the Greek demigod Orpheus. ____________________ WAS JESUS AN ESSENE MASTER ? As regards Jesus being an Essene according to "secret" Dead Sea Scrolls, even before the discovery of the scrolls, over the centuries there has been much speculation to this effect, but Massey skillfully argued that many of Jesus's presumed teachings were either in contradiction to or were non-existent in Essene philosophy. The Essenes did not believe in corporeal resurrection, nor did they believe in a carnalized messiah. They did not accept the historicity of Jesus. They were not followers of the Hebrew Bible, or its prophets, or the concept of the original fall that must produce a savior. Massey further points out that the Essenes were teetotalers and ate to live rather than the other way around. Compared to this, the assumed Essene Jesus appears to be a glutton and drunkard. Also, whereas according to Josephus the Essenes abhorred the swearing of oaths, Jesus was fond of "swearing unto" his disciples. While many Essenic doctrines are included in the New Testament, the list of disparities between the Dead Sea Scroll Essenes and their alleged great master Jesus goes on. _________________________ QUMRAN IS NOT AN ESSENE COMMUNITY It should also be noted that there is another debate as to whether or not Qumran, the site traditionally associated with the Dead Sea Scrolls, was an Essene community. In BAR, previously cited, it is reported that archaeological finds indicate Qumran was not an Essene community but was possibly a waystation for travelers and merchants crossing the Dead Sea. In BAR, it has also been hypothesized that the fervent tone and warrior-stance of some of the scrolls unearthed near Qumran belie any Essene origin and indicate a possible attribution to Jewish Zealots instead. In Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, Norman Golb makes a very good case that the Dead Sea Scrolls were not written by any Essene scribes but were a collection of tomes from various libraries that were secreted in caves throughout eastern Israel by Jews fleeing the Roman armies during the First Revolt of 70 A.D. Golb also hypothesizes that Qumran itself was a fortress, not a monastery. In any case, it is impossible to equate the "Teacher of Righteousness" found in any scrolls with Jesus Christ. ________________________ WAS THE NEW TESTAMENT COMPOSED BY THERAPEUTS ? In 1829 Rev. Taylor adeptly made the case that the entire Gospel story was already in existence long before the beginning of the Common Era and was probably composed by the monks at Alexandria called "Therapeuts" in Greek and "Essenes" in Egyptian, both names meaning "healers." This theory has stemmed in part from the statement of early church father Eusebius, who, in a rare moment of seeming honesty, "admitted...that the canonical Christian gospels and epistles were the ancient writings of the Essenes or Therapeutae reproduced in the name of Jesus." Taylor also opines that "the travelling Egyptian Therapeuts brought the whole story from India to their monasteries in Egypt, where, some time after the commencement of the Roman monarchy, it was transmuted in Christianity." In addition, Wheless evinces that one can find much of the fable of "Jesus Christ" in the Book of Enoch, which predated the supposed advent of the Jewish master by hundreds of years. According to Massey, it was the "pagan" Gnostics--who included members of the Essene/Therapeut and Nazarene brotherhoods, among others--who actually carried to Rome the esoteric (gnostic) texts containing the Mythos, upon which the numerous gospels, including the canonical four, were based. Wheless says, "Obviously, the Gospels and other New Testament booklets, written in Greek and quoting 300 times the Greek Septuagint, and several Greek Pagan authors, as Aratus, and Cleanthes, were written, not by illiterate Jewish peasants, but by Greek-speaking ex-Pagan Fathers and priests far from the Holy Land of the Jews." Mead averred, "We thus conclude that the autographs of our four Gospels were most probably written in Egypt, in the reign of Hadrian." ___________________ CONCLUSION As Walker said, "Scholars' efforts to eliminate paganism from the Gospels in order to find a historical Jesus have proved as hopeless as searching for a core in an onion." The "gospel" story of Jesus is not a factual portrayal of a historical "master" who walked the earth 2,000 years ago. It is a myth built upon other myths and godmen, who in turn were personifications of the ubiquitous sungod mythos. The Christ of the gospels is in no sense an historical personage or a supreme model of humanity, a hero who strove, and suffered, and failed to save the world by his death. It is impossible to establish the existence of an historical character even as an impostor. For such an one the two witnesses, astronomical mythology and gnosticism, completely prove an alibi. The Christ is a popular lay-figure that never lived, and a lay-figure of Pagan origin; a lay-figure that was once the Ram and afterwards the Fish; a lay-figure that in human form was the portrait and image of a dozen different gods. |
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Believe what you want.
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@Joe8985
I respect all beliefs, as long as they're based on true knowledge. Otherwise, one could "believe" in Britney Spears, right ? |
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Funny you should post this today. Just last night I was watching an educational video on the mathematics of probability and chance. They were showing that you can pick any two people randomly and by going through their lives you can find a myriad of “coincidences”. From a mathematical point of view it’s simply a many of numbers. There are so many things that happen in the course of a life that there are bound to be a lot of coincidences if you start picking those out and neglecting the differences. This is especially pronounced if the people you are comparing have had similar professions or lifestyles (i.e. all prophets)
I’m not saying this to dismiss your conclusions. I’ll be the first to agree that there was nothing outstanding about Jesus and that there were many who came before him in other cultures who basically taught and did very similar things. I also don’t believe that any of them were born of virgins or rose from the dead for the simple reason that if God is capable of doing magic he/she/it would have been a lot more intelligent concerning the use of it. People attribute to God the notion of being all-powerful, all-compassionate, all-knowing, and all-wise, and then they attribute to this God behaviors that were clearly done by a deity that is lacking power, is not very compassionate, doesn’t seem to have much of a clue about how things will god, and displays jealousy and other frail and unwise human traits. The mere fact that God cannot simultaneously be all-wise and all-stupid at the same time proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that all these historical stories of incarnations of God are all just man-made myths. No need to compare them for similarities. They are all self-contradictive. |
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then again
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i would say he already made it to godlike status
the question that remains is the mythical part interesting concept |
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i still say the God of the old testament was a teenager who was given to much power to soon and it went to his head.after the flood God seems more mature and coming into his own.In the new testament he is a more mature God,a father who knows he must make the ultimate sacrifice,his son,to show that even though bad things happen to good people there is hope of a new life on another plain.
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skidoo369,
"I respect all beliefs, as long as they're based on true knowledge. Otherwise, one could "believe" in Britney Spears, right ? " What is "true knowledge"? |
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@spidercmb
My point is that most christians, jews and muslims have no clue. They don't know their own religion roots, and even less about other religions. There's a lot to learn from Mythology and Etymology, before saying "i believe in this book". |
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skidoo369,
That's pretty much what I expected. So you have arbitrarily decided that Jews, Christians and Muslims lack "true knowledge". That's fine, it's your opinion, but it's nice to know where you are coming from. You will find, that most of the correlations between the Bible and these other religions are simply lies. For instance, Mithras is never said to have died, but he killed a bull as a sacrifice and some "scholars" have claimed that to be a parallel to the story of Jesus. http://christopherbutler.wordpress.com/2006/10/07/jesus-is-not-a-mithras-redux/ |
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Skidoo369,
I’m not sure where you’ve obtained all the information for your OP, having a link would be helpful. It does appear, however, that many of the comparisons, between all theses ‘deities’ are more like creative liberties, taken by those who are, misinterpreting ancient texts, or using very old information, or maybe purposely attempting to make one set of information match another. For many years I’ve known of these exact similarities, in fact it was through my own research, back in the day of the old fashioned library, that I made those connections. The ever continuing development of the www and the nearly instant confirmation of archeological information, as it disseminates through the translation and interpretive grape vine, almost make ‘The Library', ancient history. I can now access any number of sites that offer ‘direct’ translations of ancient texts, the very texts that your OP information was supposedly extrapolated from. I guess all I can say is this, having attempted to find all the matching or correlating story lines between ‘deities’, I can no longer say that those comparisons are equivalent and sometimes not present at all. That doesn’t mean that correlations don’t exist. They do, in fact in far greater number and detail than one could expect from chance. However, leaving such research open for others to find fault with, will eventually disqualify the relevancy of the parts that are true. That’s the reason I rarely enter such information for consideration. You see, some 40 years from the beginning of my research, I’m still making new discoveries. That's why I would appreciate the links from which your information has been extended. I appreciate the time you put into this and it’s gratifying to know that others take an interest, as I do, in such matters. So as far as research goes, keep at it and, provide links that might invoke further discussion of the issues. |
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@Spidercmb
i'd be happy to read more denied correlations from serious wittings, and when it comes to my "arbitrary" claim, i said "most", not all. Many jews, for instance, have no clue why they can't use an elevator on Saturdays, while using their cellphone is permitted. My point was also that most people have no time studying other religions and note similarities, hence taking for granted their religion promotes undeniable historical truth (when applies). |
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Hey Skidoo,
You and Spider were talking as I was writing. So I missed the point you were making, before I wrote my first reply. I totally agree with you, I always have, that's one of the reasons I continue today to learn about these things. If I had more time I would love to compare research with you. For now, provide something small, maybe a link about one of your corelations and I'll see what my allows for. |
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Dear Redykeulous,
My text is an excerpt from renown archeologist, historian and linguist/etymologist D.M. Murdock thesis. She's a religious scholar, and recently made a fellow of the Committee of Scientific Examination of Religion. She examines the connections between "modern" religious beliefs and previous religions, mythology and even astrology, all of this leading ultimately to our ancient worship of the Sun, found in all continents, from Asians to Native Americans, and from African deities to Polynesians. As a side note, she had to take a nickname (Acharya S.) a few years after her kid got kidnapped. Thus now she continues signing her books with this nickname. She's a member of the American School of Classical Studies at Athens, Greece and speaks fluently Greek, French, Spanish, Italian, German, Portugese, Hebrew, Arabic and reads ancient languages such as Latin or Aramean. I admit her thesis is highly controversial, especially in a country that displays "In God we trust" printed on its dollar bills, but D.M. Murdock is not another new-age guru kinda freak. Her thesis is providing detailed sources and will potentially challenge your beliefs, because if you watch and listen closely, and add the dots together, you will see that her conclusions have a solid grounding. Here's some links for you : A good video to start with : http://youtube.com/watch?v=EQLD59fK_Iw DM Murdock (aka Acharya S.) video interview : http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/acharya.htm And her website : http://www.truthbeknown.com/ |
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skidoo369
Very interesting. I would be interested in where you got your material from. ie..the net or wherever. The problems with what you wrote is you use the bible that is in print without knowledge of the Hebraic roots that can be found in it that even BAR magazine has said it would be hard to say that the NT was not translated from a Hebrew text. This is key. Now assumming a greek text yes you will derive exactly what you said. Like Mithra baptized in bulls blood and was said to be reborn every year. funny his priests were called Magi. The Persian diety Zoraster spoke of and wrote of the Israelites. In his rightings he calls them Yahwism. Saying they had great wisdom. Like the wisdom of Solomon. Now again if we say the OT is done away then what Yahshua did does not make since. You eluded to him starting his ministry at age 30. Thier was a reason for this. In the Law a man could not enter the Priesthood without before the age of 30. Now Yahshua is from the tribe of Yahudah. But his preparing was started as he prepared to become our High Priest after the order of Melchezidec. He could not be touched after comming back to life because he would of been poluted when he Waved the Wave Sheaf offering before his father Yahweh starting the count to the Feast of weeks for the spirit of life to enter man.Thier are many differences between what you posted and what the Law says. The Dead sea Scrolls whoever they belonged to was preserved for us. It it hard to believe that they would not of known who Yahshua was as the Book of IsaiYah was found to be a direct copy of the one passed open today( ie from BAR magazine). They would of figured out that IsaiYah 53 was speaking of Yahshua.I could go on and on but for now I have said enough. The post was excellent though. Blessings... Miles Ps. Red I have not forgot you I pasted what you wrote for me in my word processor. I know it will take some study to answer. But I will get to it.. May Yahweh Bless Your House...,. Miles |
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Redykeulous,
another interesting video raising similarities with Horus, born 3,000 years B.C. : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GilQ-MYMAiE&NR=1 |
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if you want, we may start with Horus :
Jesus vs Horus 1. Both were conceived of a virgin. 2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god. 3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary. 4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph. 5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent. 6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable). 7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel. 8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East). 9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25. 10. Both births were announced by angels. 11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth. 12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men". 13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered. 14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt." 15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where his eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah. 16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual. 17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30. 18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan. 19. Both were baptized at age 30. 20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. 21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded. 22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan. 23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation. 24. Both have 12 disciples. 25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind. 26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still." 27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.) 28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu"). 29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount. 30. Both were crucified. 31. Both were crucified next to two thieves. 32. Both were buried in a tomb. 33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later. 34. Both had their resurrection announced by women. 35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign. 36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one"). 37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower. 38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish). 39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook. 40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Bethlehem ("the house of bread"). 41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13) 42. Both were transfigured on the mount. 43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child." 44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate". 45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once." 46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross). |
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this argument is refuted in best-selling christian journalist lee strobel's "the case for the real jesus".
the bottom line is that you will find evidence for any view you want, that is why god gave us faith. there is an equal amount of evidence supporting both the christian faith and atheist arguments, but determining which is more valid than the other is up the reader/scholar. there are just as many, if not more, christian scholars out there who can easily argue against what you have posted with evidence and logic, just as u would argue against them with a similiar tactic, using ur own evidence. i can accept people being agnostic. i dont know what u believe, but i think for anyone to be ahteist and claim this world just "happened" by chance is in denial or just plain angry at god. |
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