Topic: Who Do You Believe Killed JFK
Rock's photo
Mon 03/16/15 04:34 PM


:laughing:

Why, with all this conspiracy crap going on, hasn't anyone brought up closer to home administrative issues..

Lyndon Johnson and his wife, owned major stock in Bell Helicopter... Makers of the UH1 "huey".

Robert McNamara, sec def, former CEO of Ford motor company... Manufacturer of the Jeep motor.


That's just war profiteering.



Btw? Do you know where the term "conspiracy theory" and/or "conspiracy theorist" came from and what it was used for and in conjunction with?

The CIA invented the term in 1967 and it was used to ridicule anyone who did not go along with the ...OFFICIAL ... MSM ... "conspiracy theory" and/or the Warren Commission farce for JFK's murder.

Ironic, huh?


Might wanna invest in a better word origins guide.

The word 'conspiracy', predates shakespearean times, in the English language. References to "conspiracy", ,can even be located in ancient Greek writings...
I doubt the C.I.A. held a gun to Socrates' head.

'Conspiracy theory' and 'conspiracy theorist', have been part of the American vernacular, since at least, the assassination of Lincoln.

The nation barely had a secret service in Lincoln's day. Let alone a C.I.A., Which didn't even exist, until, AFTER WW2... Evolved from the "Office of Strategic Intelligence... O.S.I..

Bobby1050's photo
Mon 03/16/15 04:48 PM
The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA In 1967
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mightymoe's photo
Mon 03/16/15 05:58 PM



Oh, my bad. I thought everybody posting on this discussion already knew who Meyer Lansky was. Here's a few links from yahoo to jog your memory.

Meyer Lansky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky

Meyer Lansky (born Meier Suchowlański July 4, 1902 – January 15, 1983), known as the "Mob's Accountant", was a major organized crime figure who, along with his ...

Early life ·
Gambling operations ·
War work ·
The Flamingo ·
Cuba

Meyer Lansky - Havana unwrapped
www.havana-unwrapped.com/meyer-lansky.html

Meyer Lansky and the Havana Mob. Meyer Lansky was the kingpin who brought the other mobsters to Cuba to form the Havana Mob.
Meyer Lansky in Havana - Cuban history begins here
www.historyofcuba.com/history/havana/Lansky.htm

"Little Man: Meyer Lansky and the Gangster Life" By Robert Lacy Chapter 6 - The Carpet Joints Page 108 . In 1938, Meyer Lansky took his gambling services to Cuba.


cool, i always thought the mob/cia were involved...


Yeah, like I said in my post. Pipers book "Final Judgment" showed how Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion gave the murder contract to kill JFK to mob boss, Meyer Lansky.

You've heard of Murder Inc., haven't you?

Murder Inc., was an outgrowth of the Bug & Meyer mob. Said B&M mob were the original enforcers of the Mob.

Lansky's partner Bugsy Siegel was supposed to have invented Las Vegas. Check out the links I posted. It's all there.


omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...

Bobby1050's photo
Mon 03/16/15 06:14 PM
FINAL JUDGMENT

The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy

This work documents the strong likelihood that Israel used bullets to steal from the American people their right to have their own leader. JFK fought a bitter behind-the-scenes battle to thwart joint Israeli-Red Chinese nuclear bomb development. Only Zionists have held the power necessary to sustain a cover-up in America's corrupt government and controlled national media.

The Israeli Nuclear Arms Link to the JFK Assassination
Now the Subject of Worldwide Discussion . . .

. . .For ten years Israeli propagandists called Final Judgment author Michael Collins Piper a "liar" and an "anti-Semite" for charging that Israeli intelligence played a role in the JFK assassination conspiracy because of JFK's bitter secret conflict with Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion over Israel's efforts to build nuclear weapons of mass destruction. Certain self-styled “JFK assassination researchers" scoffed at Piper and refused to address the thesis of his book.
. . .However, on July 25, 2004, many of Piper's critics were red-faced and silent when Israel's respected Jerusalem Post carried a story headlined: "Vanunu: Israel behind JFK Assassination." The newspaper reported that famed Jewish-born nuclear physicist, Dr. Mordechai Vanunu, recently released after spending 18 years in prison for exposing Israel's covert atomic weapons program—had charged that supporters of Israel's drive for nuclear weapons were involved in the JFK assassination precisely because of JFK's interference with their ambitions.
. . .The Israeli government dismissed Vanunu's allegations, but what he said received attention in newspapers worldwide, with the notable exception of the United States where one and only one newspaper, mentioned Vanunu's charges and that was American Free Press, the Washington-based weekly that published Final Judgment. However, as widely read Internet writer, Rev. Mark Dankof, put it quite correctly: "The Vanunu-Piper allegations about Israel will not go away."

New Evidence Ties Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program to The New Orleans Connection in the JFK Conspiracy . . .

. . .As the second printing of the sixth edition of this book went to press, a source with intimate, high-level knowledge about the NUMEC nuclear plant in Pennsylvania that smuggled nuclear materiel to Israel (see Chapter 8) provided documentation to Michael Collins Piper that the family of Edith Rosenwald Stern, a prominent New Orleans Jewish leader, were key financiers behind NUMEC. Mrs. Stern was the closest friend of Clay Shaw, the longtime CIA asset charged by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in the JFK conspiracy.

Final Judgment had already documented Shaw's ties to Israeli intelligence, so the NUMEC-Stern connection is all the more damning and, with other data, explains why Garrison ultimately concluded there was an Israeli connection behind the conspiracy. And note this: Another NUMEC investor was Pittsburgh's CIA-connected "right wing" billionaire Richard Scaife, whose protégé, Joe Farah, a vocal supporter of Israel, promoted a JFK conspiracy book evidently designed to distract attention from Final Judgment. No more need be said.

. . .The Israeli nuclear weapons link to the JFK assassination is a reality—a fact of history that is not going to go away . . .

http://www.amfirstbooks.com/IntroPages/Book_Preview_Pages/piper-michael_collins/Final_Judgment/FJ-04-FJContext.html

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Tue 03/17/15 10:13 PM



omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...


He posts this garbage on every site he infects.

no photo
Tue 03/17/15 10:15 PM
It was Marilyn Monroes secret lover surprised

Bobby1050's photo
Tue 03/17/15 11:38 PM




omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...


He posts this garbage on every site he infects.


ORLY?

Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.

The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html
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You are free to refute any of the facts I have posted at any time using facts of your own, you know.

That is what a debate is all about.

It's about using the best facts to present the best argument.

A debate is not about seeing who can post the most or even the best logical fallacies.

Debate Definition
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v. verb
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
n. noun
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration.
passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.

Trolling:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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See the difference?

MadDog1974's photo
Wed 03/18/15 12:48 AM
The problem is that there are so many theories about who did it that everyone wants to falsely exonerate Oswald. His rifle was found in the depository and it had been fired the exact same number of times as the number of shots heard by witnesses at the scene. Do we just ignore Oswald's attempt to assassinate General Walker in April 1963? And what reason would he have to kill Officer Tippit? And why would he draw his gun on Officer McDonald in the theater? Even if there was a larger conspiracy, Oswald's actions in the months prior and the hours after indicate that he was definitely involved.

Bobby1050's photo
Wed 03/18/15 01:02 AM
Yes, Oswald was involved. He was the designated patsy.

Read Michael Collins Pipers book "Final Judgment".

All the answers are within the pages of that book.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 03/18/15 01:39 AM





omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...


He posts this garbage on every site he infects.


ORLY?

Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.

The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html
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You are free to refute any of the facts I have posted at any time using facts of your own, you know.

That is what a debate is all about.

It's about using the best facts to present the best argument.

A debate is not about seeing who can post the most or even the best logical fallacies.

Debate Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
v. verb
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
n. noun
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration.
passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.

Trolling:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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See the difference?


FACTS?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 03/18/15 02:03 AM




Oh, my bad. I thought everybody posting on this discussion already knew who Meyer Lansky was. Here's a few links from yahoo to jog your memory.

Meyer Lansky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky

Meyer Lansky (born Meier Suchowlański July 4, 1902 – January 15, 1983), known as the "Mob's Accountant", was a major organized crime figure who, along with his ...

Early life ·
Gambling operations ·
War work ·
The Flamingo ·
Cuba

Meyer Lansky - Havana unwrapped
www.havana-unwrapped.com/meyer-lansky.html

Meyer Lansky and the Havana Mob. Meyer Lansky was the kingpin who brought the other mobsters to Cuba to form the Havana Mob.
Meyer Lansky in Havana - Cuban history begins here
www.historyofcuba.com/history/havana/Lansky.htm

"Little Man: Meyer Lansky and the Gangster Life" By Robert Lacy Chapter 6 - The Carpet Joints Page 108 . In 1938, Meyer Lansky took his gambling services to Cuba.


cool, i always thought the mob/cia were involved...


Yeah, like I said in my post. Pipers book "Final Judgment" showed how Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion gave the murder contract to kill JFK to mob boss, Meyer Lansky.

You've heard of Murder Inc., haven't you?

Murder Inc., was an outgrowth of the Bug & Meyer mob. Said B&M mob were the original enforcers of the Mob.

Lansky's partner Bugsy Siegel was supposed to have invented Las Vegas. Check out the links I posted. It's all there.


omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...

and all Copy/Paste,like a Dictaphone!
Gone really downhill since the last appearance!

MadDog1974's photo
Wed 03/18/15 04:36 AM

Yes, Oswald was involved. He was the designated patsy.

Read Michael Collins Pipers book "Final Judgment".

All the answers are within the pages of that book.


If this is true, logic dictates that he knew, which explains why he took his rifle tour work that day. Logic also dictates that he knew his role. So answer this question. If you are part of a vast conspiracy to kill the President of the United States, and you know that you will be the only person implicated, would you show up? Most people wouldn't.

Rock's photo
Wed 03/18/15 05:29 AM

The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA In 1967
thedailyresistance.com/the-term-conspiracy-theory-was-created-by...

The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA In 1967. ... Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown ... The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA …


Ooops.


CIA invented "conspiracy theory" in 1967 - NewsVoice ...
https://newsvoice.se/2013/09/12/cia-invented-conspiracy-theory-in-1967

CIA invented ”conspiracy theory” in 1967. 12 Sep, 2013 By Admin 3 Comments. ... in his new book Conspiracy Theory, he suggests “the CIA’s [covert and illegal] ..

Double Ooops.

The CIA coined the term "conspiracy theory" and what ...
upload.democraticunderground.com › … › Creative Speculation (Group)

Feb 25, 2015 · In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... The CIA coined the term "conspiracy theory" and what arguments to use against it. (Original …


Triple Ooops.

:banana:


Drugs are bad... Mkay?


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Wed 03/18/15 08:49 AM




omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...


He posts this garbage on every site he infects.


"infects" ...laugh laugh laugh

Bobby1050's photo
Wed 03/18/15 10:45 AM


Yes, Oswald was involved. He was the designated patsy.

Read Michael Collins Pipers book "Final Judgment".

All the answers are within the pages of that book.


If this is true, logic dictates that he knew, which explains why he took his rifle tour work that day. Logic also dictates that he knew his role. So answer this question. If you are part of a vast conspiracy to kill the President of the United States, and you know that you will be the only person implicated, would you show up? Most people wouldn't.


I guess I'll have to defer to your experience of being part of a vast conspiracy. I have no idea of how the participants of vast conspiracies are supposed to act or behave.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 03/18/15 12:28 PM
all I'll tell you is,that a Time-Machine was involved!

Bobby1050's photo
Wed 03/18/15 01:24 PM


The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA In 1967
thedailyresistance.com/the-term-conspiracy-theory-was-created-by...

The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA In 1967. ... Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown ... The Term Conspiracy Theory Was Created By The CIA …


Ooops.


CIA invented "conspiracy theory" in 1967 - NewsVoice ...
https://newsvoice.se/2013/09/12/cia-invented-conspiracy-theory-in-1967

CIA invented ”conspiracy theory” in 1967. 12 Sep, 2013 By Admin 3 Comments. ... in his new book Conspiracy Theory, he suggests “the CIA’s [covert and illegal] ..

Double Ooops.

The CIA coined the term "conspiracy theory" and what ...
upload.democraticunderground.com › … › Creative Speculation (Group)

Feb 25, 2015 · In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... The CIA coined the term "conspiracy theory" and what arguments to use against it. (Original …


Triple Ooops.

:banana:


Drugs are bad... Mkay?




I guess I will have to defer to the voice of experience.

Bobby1050's photo
Wed 03/18/15 01:28 PM






omg, your insane... you need to go get some help. every one of your posts blames the Jews for something... move to Gaza so you be in company with your Jew hating rants...


He posts this garbage on every site he infects.


ORLY?

Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.

The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.

The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/person.html
---------------------------

You are free to refute any of the facts I have posted at any time using facts of your own, you know.

That is what a debate is all about.

It's about using the best facts to present the best argument.

A debate is not about seeing who can post the most or even the best logical fallacies.

Debate Definition
dictionary.search.yahoo.com
v. verb
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
n. noun
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration.
passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.

Trolling:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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See the difference?


FACTS?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:


Always glad to help out. Here you go.


Fact Definition

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1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences.
an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

2. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed.
Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.

3. A real occurrence; an event.
had to prove the facts of the case.



I can appreciate how you needed a reminder of what FACTS actually are.

Let me know if I need to post a reminder of what TRUTH is for you too.

MadDog1974's photo
Wed 03/18/15 08:34 PM



Yes, Oswald was involved. He was the designated patsy.

Read Michael Collins Pipers book "Final Judgment".

All the answers are within the pages of that book.


If this is true, logic dictates that he knew, which explains why he took his rifle tour work that day. Logic also dictates that he knew his role. So answer this question. If you are part of a vast conspiracy to kill the President of the United States, and you know that you will be the only person implicated, would you show up? Most people wouldn't.


I guess I'll have to defer to your experience of being part of a vast conspiracy. I have no idea of how the participants of vast conspiracies are supposed to act or behave.


With that statement, you just blew your whole argument apart. If Oswald was part of a conspiracy, he wouldn't have said he was a patsy and not implicated who framed him. The problem with conspiracy theories is that theorists decide what happened, then they pick and choose facts to support that theory while dismissing facts that don't support their theory as "what they want you to believe."

Bobby1050's photo
Wed 03/18/15 08:37 PM




Yes, Oswald was involved. He was the designated patsy.

Read Michael Collins Pipers book "Final Judgment".

All the answers are within the pages of that book.


If this is true, logic dictates that he knew, which explains why he took his rifle tour work that day. Logic also dictates that he knew his role. So answer this question. If you are part of a vast conspiracy to kill the President of the United States, and you know that you will be the only person implicated, would you show up? Most people wouldn't.


I guess I'll have to defer to your experience of being part of a vast conspiracy. I have no idea of how the participants of vast conspiracies are supposed to act or behave.


With that statement, you just blew your whole argument apart. If Oswald was part of a conspiracy, he wouldn't have said he was a patsy and not implicated who framed him. The problem with conspiracy theories is that theorists decide what happened, then they pick and choose facts to support that theory while dismissing facts that don't support their theory as "what they want you to believe."


Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.