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Topic: Spike Lee Doesn't Like Whites in His Hood
alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Fri 02/28/14 05:19 PM
Heres the thing: I grew up here in Fort Greene. I grew up here in New York. Its changed. And why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the south Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every (expletive) day when I was living in 165 Washington Park. P.S. 20 was not good. P.S. 11. Rothschild 294. The police werent around. When you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three oclock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something. Where is the anti-white sentiment? Take a look at the first statement that has been emphasized in bold. Those areas where real **** holes and not that whites live there, all of a sudden they get cleaned up. And look at the second emphasis in italics. I know from experience that Harlem was a place you had early meeting and out of there by the time the winos woke up, got rather nasty after that. But now the police are there. I would still think it stupid to be on the streets at 3AM at any place in that god forsaken city though. But the big question is why do you always have to keep interjecting racism into the threads? Are you somehow afraid of black people? Are you afraid of the black people obtaining equality? Don't you think there are enough problems without having to knock down those that have learned to stand? It's all so sad.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 02/28/14 05:34 PM
Here is more of what Spike Lee said: Nah. You can't do that. You can't just come in the neighborhood and start bogarting and say, like you're mother****in' Columbus and kill off the Native Americans. Or what they do in Brazil, what they did to the indigenous people. You have to come with respect. There's a code. There's people. So, Spike Lee is saying that white people have to act non-white in order to live in his neighborhood. How you walking around Brooklyn with a Larry Bird jersey on? You can't do that. Not in Bed Stuy. So, according to Spike Lee, if a white person moves into Lee's neighborhood, then the white person can't wear anything that pertains to a white athlete. there is nothing in the quote that mentions 'white people' the quote seems to be about bogarting and disregarding the history of a place,,, Msharmony, in that above-quote, Spike Lee is talking about the white people who have moved into his neighborhood. He is indeed making anti-white comments. Tell me something. What kind of an act of racism does a black person have to commit before you will admit that that a black person has committed an act of racism? why is it racism to ask why positive changes dont occur until AFTER a certain demographic change, and why is it racism to ask that people respect the culture of the place to which they move?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 05:36 PM Edited by Dodo_David on Fri 02/28/14 05:39 PM
Heres the thing: I grew up here in Fort Greene. I grew up here in New York. Its changed. And why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the south Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every (expletive) day when I was living in 165 Washington Park. P.S. 20 was not good. P.S. 11. Rothschild 294. The police werent around. When you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three oclock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something. Where is the anti-white sentiment? Take a look at the first statement that has been emphasized in bold. Those areas where real **** holes and not that whites live there, all of a sudden they get cleaned up. And look at the second emphasis in italics. I know from experience that Harlem was a place you had early meeting and out of there by the time the winos woke up, got rather nasty after that. But now the police are there. I would still think it stupid to be on the streets at 3AM at any place in that god forsaken city though. But the big question is why do you always have to keep interjecting racism into the threads? Are you somehow afraid of black people? Are you afraid of the black people obtaining equality? Don't you think there are enough problems without having to knock down those that have learned to stand? It's all so sad.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 05:43 PM
why is it racism to ask why positive changes dont occur until AFTER a certain demographic change... I have't criticized that part of Spike Lee's rant. He could have addressed that issue without verbally attacking the white people who moved into his neighborhood. ... and why is it racism to ask that people respect the culture of the place to which they move? Spike Lee's complaint is that the white people who moved into his neighborhood are behaving like white people.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 02/28/14 05:44 PM
Here is more of what Spike Lee said: Nah. You can't do that. You can't just come in the neighborhood and start bogarting and say, like you're mother****in' Columbus and kill off the Native Americans. Or what they do in Brazil, what they did to the indigenous people. You have to come with respect. There's a code. There's people. So, Spike Lee is saying that white people have to act non-white in order to live in his neighborhood. How you walking around Brooklyn with a Larry Bird jersey on? You can't do that. Not in Bed Stuy. So, according to Spike Lee, if a white person moves into Lee's neighborhood, then the white person can't wear anything that pertains to a white athlete. there is nothing in the quote that mentions 'white people' the quote seems to be about bogarting and disregarding the history of a place,,, Msharmony, in that above-quote, Spike Lee is talking about the white people who have moved into his neighborhood. He is indeed making anti-white comments. Tell me something. What kind of an act of racism does a black person have to commit before you will admit that that a black person has committed an act of racism? why is it racism to ask why positive changes dont occur until AFTER a certain demographic change, and why is it racism to ask that people respect the culture of the place to which they move? Lee stated an opinion, not a fact. Facts are presented with proof of substance. He offered only opinion. Sounds like he just wanted to go on a hate whitey rant. Again, if, there are white folks be, he'll be pissed cuz his taxes will go up.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 05:46 PM
Here is more of what Spike Lee said: Nah. You can't do that. You can't just come in the neighborhood and start bogarting and say, like you're mother****in' Columbus and kill off the Native Americans. Or what they do in Brazil, what they did to the indigenous people. You have to come with respect. There's a code. There's people. So, Spike Lee is saying that white people have to act non-white in order to live in his neighborhood. How you walking around Brooklyn with a Larry Bird jersey on? You can't do that. Not in Bed Stuy. So, according to Spike Lee, if a white person moves into Lee's neighborhood, then the white person can't wear anything that pertains to a white athlete. there is nothing in the quote that mentions 'white people' the quote seems to be about bogarting and disregarding the history of a place,,, Msharmony, in that above-quote, Spike Lee is talking about the white people who have moved into his neighborhood. He is indeed making anti-white comments. Tell me something. What kind of an act of racism does a black person have to commit before you will admit that that a black person has committed an act of racism? why is it racism to ask why positive changes dont occur until AFTER a certain demographic change, and why is it racism to ask that people respect the culture of the place to which they move? Lee stated an opinion, not a fact. Facts are presented with proof of substance. He offered only opinion. Sounds like he just wanted to go on a hate whitey rant. Again, if, there are white folks be, he'll be pissed cuz his taxes will go up. In essence, Spike Lee is saying that white people caused trouble for his neighborhood by moving into his neighborhood. He is the one who injected race into the conversation, which he didn't have to do.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 02/28/14 05:54 PM
he was asked about gentrification he didn't 'introduce' anything that he didn't need to he responded to the topic of the question he was asked, as it pertains to his hometown and experience,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Fri 02/28/14 06:25 PM
he was asked about gentrification he didn't 'introduce' anything that he didn't need to he responded to the topic of the question he was asked, as it pertains to his hometown and experience,, Dang, twice in one day, but again I would have to agree with you. But this is no different than other areas of the city, after all where are they going to go. And for a broke butt city, when the renovations do happen, the tax base does increase and services do flow.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Fri 02/28/14 06:38 PM
I don't think anywhere in his quote did he say he didn't want whites in his neighborhood, that was someone elses interpretation of his words,,,, his quote indicates an objection to the difference in his environment between what service was offered before and the services offered now,,,, and an objection to the culture of his environment being overtaken and disregarded for a new culture,,, I agree and also sympathize with both of those sentiments

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 02/28/14 06:42 PM
I think he's just pissed the hood will attract a more wholesome crowd and he'll have to dig deeper. Wonder how many white women he's tapped.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 06:43 PM Edited by Dodo_David on Fri 02/28/14 06:45 PM
he was asked about gentrification he didn't 'introduce' anything that he didn't need to he responded to the topic of the question he was asked, as it pertains to his hometown and experience,, Yet, Spike Lee went beyond talking about gentrification. His comment "How you walking around Brooklyn with a Larry Bird jersey on? You can'��t do that. Not in Bed Stuy." is a racist comment. He is saying that a person in his neighborhood isn't allowed to wear a jersey pertaining to a white athlete. Gentrification is all about property rights and property values. It isn't about what clothing that people wear. Here is another remark pertaining to race that Spike Lee made: If you can't get your kid into private school and you're white here, what's the next best thing? All right, now we're gonna go to public schools. If Spike Lee has simply mentioned affluent people, then his comments would not be considered to be racist, because affluence isn't race-specific.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 06:47 PM
I think he's just pissed the hood will attract a more wholesome crowd and he'll have to dig deeper. A more wholesome crowd? There was nothing wrong with the crowd that was already there. Wonder how many white women he's tapped. His sexual activity has nothing to do with this discussion.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 02/28/14 06:48 PM
he was asked about gentrification he didn't 'introduce' anything that he didn't need to he responded to the topic of the question he was asked, as it pertains to his hometown and experience,, Yet, Spike Lee went beyond talking about gentrification. His comment "How you walking around Brooklyn with a Larry Bird jersey on? You can'��t do that. Not in Bed Stuy." is a racist comment. He is saying that a person in his neighborhood isn't allowed to wear a jersey pertaining to a white athlete. Gentrification is all about property rights and property values. It isn't about what clothing that people wear. Here is another remark pertaining to race that Spike Lee made: If you can't get your kid into private school and you're white here, what's the next best thing? All right, now we're gonna go to public schools. If Spike Lee has simply mentioned affluent people, then his comments would not be considered to be racist, because affluence isn't race-specific. in HIS community, perhaps there is more of a connection to race than there might be elsewhere,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 02/28/14 06:59 PM
dodo, You can read the full CONTEXT of his remarks here http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/feb/26/spike-lee-gentrification-rant-transcript

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 07:20 PM
The "gentrification" issue is about affluent people driving up the cost of living wherever they move to, about affluent people changing the culture of wherever they move to. Had he simply talked about the effect of affluence, then what Spike Lee said would not be perceived as being racist. Yet, he ranted against whites when he said, "How you walking around Brooklyn with a Larry Bird jersey on? You can'��t do that. Not in Bed Stuy," and when he said, "If you can't get your kid into private school and you're white here, what's the next best thing? All right, now we're gonna go to public schools." Had he not made those two statements, then I would have no objection to what he said.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 02/28/14 08:54 PM
His ranting about if there weren't white folk around, there would not be the quality of folk worthy of clean streets, trash hauled off regularly and police presence. His take, not mine.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48950	Fri 02/28/14 09:08 PM
His ranting about if there weren't white folk around, there would not be the quality of folk worthy of clean streets, trash hauled off regularly and police presence. His take, not mine. Actually, Spike Lee wants to know why improvements in government-provided public services didn't happen before the white people moved into his neighborhood. I am in agreement with most of what he said. Still, he erred by mentioning race, when he said that it was wrong for someone in his neighborhood to wear a jersey pertaining to a white athlete.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 02/28/14 10:38 PM Edited by msharmony on Fri 02/28/14 10:38 PM
His ranting about if there weren't white folk around, there would not be the quality of folk worthy of clean streets, trash hauled off regularly and police presence. His take, not mine. Actually, Spike Lee wants to know why improvements in government-provided public services didn't happen before the white people moved into his neighborhood. I am in agreement with most of what he said. Still, he erred by mentioning race, when he said that it was wrong for someone in his neighborhood to wear a jersey pertaining to a white athlete. I think you totally read too much into it. I don't think its about the athlete being white. Its about the athlete being on a boston mass team instead of more local,,, its a reference to a SCENE from his movie Do the Right Thing,,, just like when he says 'let me kill you right now',,, its not a threat, its a phrase he created to signify he is going to offer information contrary to what is being stated,,, an offset of the phrase 'your killing me'

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 02/28/14 11:57 PM
I don't think I'll have to agree, 100%. more personal attacks, how lame, and OLD,,,, Not really. From his quote; he doesn't like that whites are trying to impose their standards and wealthy ideas on everyone you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three oclock in the morning on 125th Street A woman pushing a kid in a stroller at 3 in the morning? Where's the proof, pics, this statement is just pure, unadulterated, BS? 10 to 1, he's the richest homie in the hood. So, who's pushing weathy ideas? Don't get me wrong. I like the boy. I seen many his flicks. He does some good work. He jest needs to stick to that. Cuz, when he jest opened his mouth, stupidity oozed out, like thick slime and stankay. I have never watched one of his movies, I don't watch movies made by racists. Kinda like I wont watch ANY movie Sean Penn is involved with either. fast times at ridgemont high is one of the great classics... The only Sean Penn movie I ever saw was Colors, that was when I was like 14, young and stupid. I don't care how good the movie is or if it's a cult classic. The moment I see that Anti American a$$wipe I turn red and wanna hit something.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Sat 03/01/14 12:00 AM
I think he's just pissed the hood will attract a more wholesome crowd and he'll have to dig deeper. Wonder how many white women he's tapped. Or raped on the "casting couch"