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Topic: AP reports a REAL racist act
alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 05:59 PM
I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, lol http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund Now was that minutes or seconds, it couldn't have been an hour could it. And would this effect the gun laws. Being they were agents, did they have guns? Would that make it armed fraud? And did that person that never says anything have something to say?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 06:03 PM
and how would you know how much or little it happens? Personal experience? How often they got away with it? It used to be in South Florida that you just walked around with $10 bills and the actual people would help out. But that got to be a problem as the scammers got involved and voted for auntie.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 06:11 PM
yes, it is easy for those armed with information about the polling locations , signatures and names of the deceased or imprisoned lol not info MOST people have, as is evidenced by how rarely it ACTUALLY HAPPENS just as easy as it is for someone else to use a bank card IF they are told in advance the pin number,,lol really doesn't amount to proof of how easy it is for the AVERAGE person without easy access to such info or interest in the effort to obtain it or the risk of being CAUGHT Spin, spin, spin. Facts are just facts but why should they count. Spin, spin, spin. Why should we be concerned, it's just a little fraud, that gets caught that is. I need my welfare check so I get id but it sure is inconvenient to have to use that id for voting, after all how will I get beer money, hey anybody got a free doobie? Gee I would even vote Republican for a free doobie.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 06:15 PM
Id imagine, without personal follow up with everyone who cast a vote, there is no way to KNOW ,,,and wouldnt that be a fine way to reform our political system for all the conspiracists who already believe the government has too much private info? So it's ok to spy on citizens so long as it's not to prevent fraud, that would just be too much. I do wonder at what spin would be up next? Hey I know, show your id, cast your vote and get your welfare check. Now no inconvenience at all. And for those of you not on welfare, well heck you aren't inconvenienced at all anyway, you can afford that government id.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 06:19 PM
not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally Yeah, let's disenfranchise them, no property, no vote. (p.s. labor is property, the most important one of all).

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 06:22 PM
not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally well, your not trying very hard... http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures 24 million? naw, nothing to worry about... Try very hard, how about not at all. That is unless it agrees with a predetermined conclusion.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 02/24/14 06:36 PM
I still want to know what proof of identification that poor people have been showing when they register to vote.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 06:48 PM
I still want to know what proof of identification that poor people have been showing when they register to vote. I would think a driver's license, they wouldn't want to be caught driving without a license in that stolen car, would they?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 02/24/14 06:59 PM
I still want to know what proof of identification that poor people have been showing when they register to vote. I would think a driver's license, they wouldn't want to be caught driving without a license in that stolen car, would they? Dude, your remark about a stolen car is so wrong.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 07:05 PM
I still want to know what proof of identification that poor people have been showing when they register to vote. I would think a driver's license, they wouldn't want to be caught driving without a license in that stolen car, would they? Dude, your remark about a stolen car is so wrong. Yeah, I guess you are right, don't need no stinkin license.

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Mon 02/24/14 07:16 PM
I still want to know what proof of identification that poor people have been showing when they register to vote. perhaps the same used to register children for school, drive or purchase a vehicle, or purchase alcoholic beverages, or collect their welfare/ gov't benefits. there is no justifiable rationalization or excuse to be legally in this country and not be able to provide a photo ID. anything else is clearly either laziness or illegals or felons/criminals trying to get away with voting illegally - or them Dems wanting more duplicate ballots in 2016

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Mon 02/24/14 07:58 PM
In a commentary for National Review Online, John Fund writes the following: Polls consistently show that more than 70 percent of Americans - including clear majorities of African Americans and Hispanics - support such [voter-ID] laws. He cites a case of voting fraud that was discovered in the state of New York: n 1984, Brooklyn's Democratic district attorney, Elizabeth Holtzman, released a state grand-jury report on a successful 14-year conspiracy that cast thousands of fraudulent votes in local, state, and congressional elections. Just like the DOI undercover operatives, the conspirators cast votes at precincts in the names of dead, moved, and bogus voters. The grand jury recommended voter ID, a basic election-integrity measure that New York has steadfastly refused to implement.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 02/24/14 08:03 PM
I still want to know what proof of identification that poor people have been showing when they register to vote. perhaps the same used to register children for school, drive or purchase a vehicle, or purchase alcoholic beverages, or collect their welfare/ gov't benefits. there is no justifiable rationalization or excuse to be legally in this country and not be able to provide a photo ID. anything else is clearly either laziness or illegals or felons/criminals trying to get away with voting illegally - or them Dems wanting more duplicate ballots in 2016 Au Contraire, their are valid reasons to not have the id and if not being able to vote is the penalty, I accept. For anything else, there are the courts and I do not take lightly to being denied my rights. I am who I am and it is up to the other party to prove otherwise if they do not believe me. God I love the republic of these united States.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Mon 02/24/14 08:38 PM
its a huge assumption that has yet to be proven true fraud at the polls is EXTREMELY Rare its a counterproductive law, infringing upon peoples right to vote by causing an unnecessary poll expense (ids expire and must be paid for renewal, get lost and must be paid to replace,,etc,,) which , til now, has been rightfully against the law I need to show ID and pay a fee to exercise my 2nd Amendment right to purchase a firearm. So based on your premise that once is enough then I guess we should not be required every time we buy a firearm.. for each firearm for which you need the permit, yes we don't need to reregister each time we vote so the analogy doesn't fit,,, long guns like shotguns and rifles are not registered. yet, each time I go in to buy one I have to show ID.. the analogy most certainly fits.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Mon 02/24/14 09:43 PM
racists can be any political affiliation or race,,, Yep, and if most Americans are racists, then the Democratic Party is just as racist as the Republican Party, and Americans "of color" are just as racist as white Americans. that's true but I believe that republicans have more racists who are COMFORTABE in being racist,,being from the south and allegiant to its history there is such a thing as a work in progress,, As I posted in a another thread the Democrats have a longer history as Racists. There are a few Republicans who are clearly racist but Dems have always outnumbered them.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Mon 02/24/14 09:55 PM
Democrats have a LONG history of racism, just look at the large number of Democratic politicians who were members of the Klan. President Harry Truman Senator Robert Byrd - Byrd was the grand Cyclops. Byrd was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group, Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd wrote a letter in 1946 to the group's Imperial Wizard stating "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd defended the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was 41 years old.[9] Despite being the only Senator to vote against both African American U.S. Supreme Court nominees (liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas) and filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Senator Theodore G. Bilbo Chief Justice Edward Douglass White Jr. Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States Hugo Black Governor Bibb Graves - Graves was the Exalted Cyclops. Governor Clifford Walker Congressman George Gordon - Congressman for Tennessee's 10th congressional district became one of the Klan's first members. In 1867, Gordon became the Klan's first Grand Dragon for the Realm of Tennessee, and wrote its "Precept," a book describing its organization, purpose, and principles. L.A. Mayor John Clinton Porter - Was a senior member. Governor Ross Barnett - He interrupted the trial of Byron De La Beckwith Jr., (the man who killed Medgar Evers) during the middle of his trial to shake Beckwith's hand in front of the jury and proclaimed his innocence. Barnett also stated that if Beckwith were to get convicted he would be pardoned. Beckworth was finally convicted in 1994. Beckworth was also a Democratic Party member and politician.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 02/25/14 12:16 AM
not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally well, your not trying very hard... http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures 24 million? naw, nothing to worry about... lol there is quite a bit of difference between invalid registrations and fraud at the polls,,, smh there is no factual evidence that people are falsely voting at the polls, in anything but insignificant numbers,,, fraudulent voting which is PROSECUTED Because it is illegal fraudulent voting which wont be STOPPED by requiring id which FRAUDS who are that determined to vote can fake as well,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 02/25/14 12:34 AM
not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally How about offering evidence that voters would be disenfranchised. You still haven't explained why a poor person can have a photo ID while registering to vote but not have one when it comes time to vote. Considering the fact that one has to have a photo ID to do business with the government and business with banks, how common is it for an adult in the USA to not have photo ID? I'd say that isn't common at all. Instead it is very rare. again, this is the assumption that there arent many people who don't do business requiring a dl or state id, which is not true http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/08/voter_id_laws_why_do_minorities_lack_id_to_show_at_the_polls_.html

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 02/25/14 12:43 AM
msharmony, Earlier you said, "the proof was to be done at registration prior to now". So, what proof have poor people been showing during voter registration? doesn't matter, make them climb more hoops to utilize the right they already registered for its not going to have the impact that is being used to excuse this farce of a ploy to disenfranchise I have an ID, IM just aware that its not as 'easy' for everyone as it is for me or all the people who keep just brushing it off as a simple thing,,, I have lost my id, its a pain, there are several places to go to get the documents needed to get the id,, but I at least had a car of my own and live in an area near these places MANY others don't have those resources,,,which means they loose out unless they go through much more DIFFICULTY than I or others here have to,,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 02/25/14 03:33 AM
not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally well, your not trying very hard... http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures 24 million? naw, nothing to worry about... lol there is quite a bit of difference between invalid registrations and fraud at the polls,,, smh there is no factual evidence that people are falsely voting at the polls, in anything but insignificant numbers,,, fraudulent voting which is PROSECUTED Because it is illegal fraudulent voting which wont be STOPPED by requiring id which FRAUDS who are that determined to vote can fake as well,,, Really, I doubt it very seriously. Democrat = fraud. Republican = fraud, but not as much. However there are a lot of idiots in the good ole US of A that thinks if you just ignore it, it will go away. But that is but the start, there are even bigger idiots that claims, requiring id as a curb to this abuse is an inconvenience to those most likely to commit these frauds.