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I find it rather condescending towards minorities that democrats think it's TOO DIFFICULT for them to get a FREE picture ID and it's TOO BURDENSOME for them to bring it when they exercise their right to vote. I give minorities much more credit and feel they are just as capable as white people to acquire and present a picture ID. To think and suggest they aren't as capable really is kind of a racist notion. When I registered to vote I didn't have to prove I was an American citizen, I only had to show my drivers license. I had a divers license long before becoming a naturalized citizen. I found this disturbing since a non-citizen LEGAL immigrant isn't allowed to vote. Personally I think you should have to PROVE you are a citizen when you first register to vote. its not about whether its 'too difficult' its about being disenfranchised due to economics and whether the economically disenfranchised should have to be disenfranchised from an election by using NEW election standards that will keep them from the vote they have registered for the right to have,,, if there is a foreward applied voter id that switches out the mailed cards with a voter card that is FREE upon registration with photo included,, that is a different matter but to suddenly tell people who registered that their registration wont be honored unless they have also purchased or maintained a photo id, is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,, Most states offer a FREE photo ID card, and where there is a cost it's minimal. New election standards? Proving you are who you say you are is new? Making sure elections are fair and honest is new? You have more excuses for your party that make NO SENSE at all. Like the song says...Spinning wheel keeps spinning round. |
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I find it rather condescending towards minorities that democrats think it's TOO DIFFICULT for them to get a FREE picture ID and it's TOO BURDENSOME for them to bring it when they exercise their right to vote. I give minorities much more credit and feel they are just as capable as white people to acquire and present a picture ID. To think and suggest they aren't as capable really is kind of a racist notion. When I registered to vote I didn't have to prove I was an American citizen, I only had to show my drivers license. I had a divers license long before becoming a naturalized citizen. I found this disturbing since a non-citizen LEGAL immigrant isn't allowed to vote. Personally I think you should have to PROVE you are a citizen when you first register to vote. its not about whether its 'too difficult' its about being disenfranchised due to economics and whether the economically disenfranchised should have to be disenfranchised from an election by using NEW election standards that will keep them from the vote they have registered for the right to have,,, if there is a foreward applied voter id that switches out the mailed cards with a voter card that is FREE upon registration with photo included,, that is a different matter but to suddenly tell people who registered that their registration wont be honored unless they have also purchased or maintained a photo id, is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,, Most states offer a FREE photo ID card, and where there is a cost it's minimal. New election standards? Proving you are who you say you are is new? Making sure elections are fair and honest is new? You have more excuses for your party that make NO SENSE at all. Like the song says...Spinning wheel keeps spinning round. Of course she is making excuses for the Democratic Party. If she couldn't use alleged "Republican racism" as an excuse for being a Democrat, then she'd have no reason for being a Democrat. 
**** Side Note: As I have said before, I am not a Republican. I have my own disagreements with the Republican Party, but those disagreements aren't the topic of this thread. |
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I find it rather condescending towards minorities that democrats think it's TOO DIFFICULT for them to get a FREE picture ID and it's TOO BURDENSOME for them to bring it when they exercise their right to vote. I give minorities much more credit and feel they are just as capable as white people to acquire and present a picture ID. To think and suggest they aren't as capable really is kind of a racist notion. When I registered to vote I didn't have to prove I was an American citizen, I only had to show my drivers license. I had a divers license long before becoming a naturalized citizen. I found this disturbing since a non-citizen LEGAL immigrant isn't allowed to vote. Personally I think you should have to PROVE you are a citizen when you first register to vote. its not about whether its 'too difficult' its about being disenfranchised due to economics and whether the economically disenfranchised should have to be disenfranchised from an election by using NEW election standards that will keep them from the vote they have registered for the right to have,,, if there is a foreward applied voter id that switches out the mailed cards with a voter card that is FREE upon registration with photo included,, that is a different matter but to suddenly tell people who registered that their registration wont be honored unless they have also purchased or maintained a photo id, is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,, Most states offer a FREE photo ID card, and where there is a cost it's minimal. New election standards? Proving you are who you say you are is new? Making sure elections are fair and honest is new? You have more excuses for your party that make NO SENSE at all. Like the song says...Spinning wheel keeps spinning round. lol yes, it is new the proof was to be done at registration prior to now,, after that all that was needed was a signature that matched the registraion,, elections are as fair and honest as they are gonna be or as they were in any election year PRIOR to the election of this president its not about an excuse, its only an excuse to those who have no appreciation of the fact that not everyone has the same access to resources that they do,,, |
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I find it rather condescending towards minorities that democrats think it's TOO DIFFICULT for them to get a FREE picture ID and it's TOO BURDENSOME for them to bring it when they exercise their right to vote. I give minorities much more credit and feel they are just as capable as white people to acquire and present a picture ID. To think and suggest they aren't as capable really is kind of a racist notion. When I registered to vote I didn't have to prove I was an American citizen, I only had to show my drivers license. I had a divers license long before becoming a naturalized citizen. I found this disturbing since a non-citizen LEGAL immigrant isn't allowed to vote. Personally I think you should have to PROVE you are a citizen when you first register to vote. its not about whether its 'too difficult' its about being disenfranchised due to economics and whether the economically disenfranchised should have to be disenfranchised from an election by using NEW election standards that will keep them from the vote they have registered for the right to have,,, if there is a foreward applied voter id that switches out the mailed cards with a voter card that is FREE upon registration with photo included,, that is a different matter but to suddenly tell people who registered that their registration wont be honored unless they have also purchased or maintained a photo id, is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,, Most states offer a FREE photo ID card, and where there is a cost it's minimal. New election standards? Proving you are who you say you are is new? Making sure elections are fair and honest is new? You have more excuses for your party that make NO SENSE at all. Like the song says...Spinning wheel keeps spinning round. Of course she is making excuses for the Democratic Party. If she couldn't use alleged "Republican racism" as an excuse for being a Democrat, then she'd have no reason for being a Democrat.
**** Side Note: As I have said before, I am not a Republican. I have my own disagreements with the Republican Party, but those disagreements aren't the topic of this thread. again no 'excuses' needed, just sound logic and reality |
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I find it rather condescending towards minorities that democrats think it's TOO DIFFICULT for them to get a FREE picture ID and it's TOO BURDENSOME for them to bring it when they exercise their right to vote. I give minorities much more credit and feel they are just as capable as white people to acquire and present a picture ID. To think and suggest they aren't as capable really is kind of a racist notion. When I registered to vote I didn't have to prove I was an American citizen, I only had to show my drivers license. I had a divers license long before becoming a naturalized citizen. I found this disturbing since a non-citizen LEGAL immigrant isn't allowed to vote. Personally I think you should have to PROVE you are a citizen when you first register to vote. its not about whether its 'too difficult' its about being disenfranchised due to economics and whether the economically disenfranchised should have to be disenfranchised from an election by using NEW election standards that will keep them from the vote they have registered for the right to have,,, if there is a foreward applied voter id that switches out the mailed cards with a voter card that is FREE upon registration with photo included,, that is a different matter but to suddenly tell people who registered that their registration wont be honored unless they have also purchased or maintained a photo id, is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,, Most states offer a FREE photo ID card, and where there is a cost it's minimal. New election standards? Proving you are who you say you are is new? Making sure elections are fair and honest is new? You have more excuses for your party that make NO SENSE at all. Like the song says...Spinning wheel keeps spinning round. there are 50 states, which states offer a FREE state id? cause I Cant find one,,, |
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its not about an excuse, its only an excuse to those who have no appreciation of the fact that not everyone has the same access to resources that they do,,, No access to resources, so I guess that while crawling to the election place, they somehow can't bear the weight of id and a registration card. Seems like that would be a disqualification to actually vote, too burdensome, now where was that free beer? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 02/24/14 02:12 PM
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its not about an excuse, its only an excuse to those who have no appreciation of the fact that not everyone has the same access to resources that they do,,, No access to resources, so I guess that while crawling to the election place, they somehow can't bear the weight of id and a registration card. Seems like that would be a disqualification to actually vote, too burdensome, now where was that free beer? nowhere is it stated 'no access' it was stated not 'the same access' point being, set a year, and after that year REFORM the voter process so upon registration people can have voter cards with PHOTOS,( even though thats not gonna get rid of voter fraud in any significant manner, which most often occurs upon registration or in outdated registration rolls) so, EVERYONE is on a level playing field with the requirements they can be EXPECTING At the polls instead of thrusting new laws RIGHT BEFORE an election that forces only SOME people to expect something DIFFERENT than what they were prepared for when they registered,,, requiring those who did not have the id to make the plans and take the time and spend the money to meet ADDITONAL requirements prior to an election amounts to a disparate infringement upon the economically disadvantaged,,, |
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its not about an excuse, its only an excuse to those who have no appreciation of the fact that not everyone has the same access to resources that they do,,, No access to resources, so I guess that while crawling to the election place, they somehow can't bear the weight of id and a registration card. Seems like that would be a disqualification to actually vote, too burdensome, now where was that free beer? nowhere is it stated 'no access' it was stated not 'the same access' point being, set a year, and after that year REFORM the voter process so upon registration people can have voter cards with PHOTOS,( even though thats not gonna get rid of voter fraud in any significant manner, which most often occurs upon registration or in outdated registration rolls) so, EVERYONE is on a level playing field with the requirements they can be EXPECTING At the polls instead of thrusting new laws RIGHT BEFORE an election that forces only SOME people to expect something DIFFERENT than what they were prepared for when they registered,,, requiring those who did not have the id to make the plans and take the time and spend the money to meet ADDITONAL requirements prior to an election amounts to a disparate infringement upon the economically disadvantaged,,, So you're saying they had a fake id at registration and to be expected to have a real one on election day would be totally unfair even thought now election day is weeks in the making with all the early voting that takes place. And of course you say a lot to never say anything, so how is that to be interpreted? |
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I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol
no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, |
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I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, lol http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund |
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I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, lol http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund yes, it is easy for those armed with information about the polling locations , signatures and names of the deceased or imprisoned lol not info MOST people have, as is evidenced by how rarely it ACTUALLY HAPPENS and how would you know how much or little it happens? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, lol http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund yes, it is easy for those armed with information about the polling locations , signatures and names of the deceased or imprisoned lol not info MOST people have, as is evidenced by how rarely it ACTUALLY HAPPENS just as easy as it is for someone else to use a bank card IF they are told in advance the pin number,,lol really doesn't amount to proof of how easy it is for the AVERAGE person without easy access to such info or interest in the effort to obtain it or the risk of being CAUGHT |
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I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, lol http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund yes, it is easy for those armed with information about the polling locations , signatures and names of the deceased or imprisoned lol not info MOST people have, as is evidenced by how rarely it ACTUALLY HAPPENS and how would you know how much or little it happens? Id imagine, without personal follow up with everyone who cast a vote, there is no way to KNOW ,,,and wouldnt that be a fine way to reform our political system for all the conspiracists who already believe the government has too much private info? |
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I don't know what posts you are reading,, lol no, I didn't say any of that actually what I posted was that if the aim is truly to curb voter fraud, such a measure is pointless as most voter fraud occurs at registration and not at the polls a very MINUTE percent of votes have been found fradulent at the polls, and prosecuted as ILLEGAL when they were, I am told that gun laws only hurts legal gun owners because criminals break the laws similarly, making these voter poll laws only hurts legal voters because FRAUDS Will find a way to be fraudulent, lol http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368234/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund yes, it is easy for those armed with information about the polling locations , signatures and names of the deceased or imprisoned lol not info MOST people have, as is evidenced by how rarely it ACTUALLY HAPPENS and how would you know how much or little it happens? Id imagine, without personal follow up with everyone who cast a vote, there is no way to KNOW ,,,and wouldnt that be a fine way to reform our political system for all the conspiracists who already believe the government has too much private info? omg, your not that clueless... get off the liberal sites for a while... |
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not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem,
or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally |
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not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally well, your not trying very hard... http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures 24 million? naw, nothing to worry about... |
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not clueless, just looking for the proof that this was ever a problem, or evidence that backs up the justification for disenfranchising so many voters... and its a problem because we cant be sure its not,, is not a good enough answer for me personally How about offering evidence that voters would be disenfranchised. You still haven't explained why a poor person can have a photo ID while registering to vote but not have one when it comes time to vote. Considering the fact that one has to have a photo ID to do business with the government and business with banks, how common is it for an adult in the USA to not have photo ID? I'd say that isn't common at all. Instead it is very rare. |
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I find it rather condescending towards minorities that democrats think it's TOO DIFFICULT for them to get a FREE picture ID and it's TOO BURDENSOME for them to bring it when they exercise their right to vote. I give minorities much more credit and feel they are just as capable as white people to acquire and present a picture ID. To think and suggest they aren't as capable really is kind of a racist notion. When I registered to vote I didn't have to prove I was an American citizen, I only had to show my drivers license. I had a divers license long before becoming a naturalized citizen. I found this disturbing since a non-citizen LEGAL immigrant isn't allowed to vote. Personally I think you should have to PROVE you are a citizen when you first register to vote. its not about whether its 'too difficult' its about being disenfranchised due to economics and whether the economically disenfranchised should have to be disenfranchised from an election by using NEW election standards that will keep them from the vote they have registered for the right to have,,, if there is a foreward applied voter id that switches out the mailed cards with a voter card that is FREE upon registration with photo included,, that is a different matter but to suddenly tell people who registered that their registration wont be honored unless they have also purchased or maintained a photo id, is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,, Most states offer a FREE photo ID card, and where there is a cost it's minimal. New election standards? Proving you are who you say you are is new? Making sure elections are fair and honest is new? You have more excuses for your party that make NO SENSE at all. Like the song says...Spinning wheel keeps spinning round. there are 50 states, which states offer a FREE state id? cause I Cant find one,,, https://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml For Citizens Without Government-Issued Photo IDs •If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.) ========== It wasn't hard finding that ONE.....I'm not going to list the rest. Getting an ID card is simple and easy....and even in high tax states like Cali that don't offer free photo ID cards they are offered for less than $10 to people on public assistance. Here in Michigan they are $10 dollars. If a person needs to get a photo ID and prove who they are to get government assistance then only EXCUSES can be given for not having one to vote....there are NO LOGICAL REASONS for not being able to get one. Nothing changes the fact that it's EASY, and costs between little and nothing,to get a photo ID. Buying a 12 pack of beer, a couple packs of smokes or a bottle of booze is more expensive than buying an ID to vote, it shouldn't be more important. Oh wait...let me guess....it "is a HUGE Matter of disenfranchising those from more economically deprived situations,,," to give up a 12 pack...a bottle of booze....or a couple packs of smokes every few years in order to vote,,,,right? Or don't they ever buy those items? |
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msharmony,
Earlier you said, "the proof was to be done at registration prior to now". So, what proof have poor people been showing during voter registration? |
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In the state off Mississippi, a state ID costs $17.
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