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... are people allowed their opinions nowadays? or are they subject to ridicule like your doing here? Since when is it ridicule to point out errors in logic? My goal was to demonstrate that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are equals when it comes to racism. As soon as I reached that goal, the goal post was moved. Why? In order to make unfalsifiable the claim that the Democratic Party is superior to the Republican Party when it comes to racism. its not false logic at all dodo it is quite possible that if there are one million people with diverse demographics.. some demographics will overlap more often than others,,, thus, we can have a million people and more than half of them can subscribe to house and garden |
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With all of the false claims of racism that we are exposed to, it is easy to overlook a real case of racism when it happens. Now, the Associated Press is reporting a case of actual racism that took place on the campus of the University of Mississippi. OXFORD, Miss. (AP) - A fraternity chapter at the University of Mississippi was indefinitely suspended Friday by its national organization and three of its freshman members were kicked out because of their suspected involvement in hanging a noose on a statue of James Meredith, the first black student to enroll in the then all-white college.
In a statement, Sigma Phi Epsilon said it suspended the Alpha Chapter at the university and the chapter voted to expel all three men and turn over their identities to investigators. Police on Sunday found a noose tied around the neck of the statue, along with an old Georgia flag with a Confederate battle emblem in its design, which has since been updated to exclude the emblem. When Meredith tried to enter Ole Miss in fall 1962, Mississippi's governor tried to stop him. That led to violence on the Oxford campus. U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy sent 500 U.S. marshals to take control and days later, Meredith was allowed in the school. Though he faced harassment, he graduated with a degree in political science. Of course, this particular incident is an isolated case. That's why it is newsworthy, because we are now in the 21st Century C.E., and such acts of racism are the rare exception, not the rule. I totally agree, except I think it was a fraternity prank and being they were freshmen they had to have been put up to it by the higher ups. They should all be expelled from the fraternity. On a side noet the Governor that tried to stop Meredith from entering the school was....wait for it........ a Democrat, none other then Ross Barnett the Governor of Mississippi (and a Klansman) that interfered in the first trial in the murder of Medgar Evers helping to get the man who killed him, a fellow Democrat and Klansman Byron De La Beckwith (who was tried again in the 90's and convicted and sentenced to life in prison). |
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I wonder why the race baiting Dishonorable Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson aren't all over this? Maybe Jackson is to busy cheating on his wife again or trying to find someone to bribe to get his son and daughter in law out of prison or maybe it doesn't draw the kind of attention they crave.
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... are people allowed their opinions nowadays? or are they subject to ridicule like your doing here? Since when is it ridicule to point out errors in logic? My goal was to demonstrate that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are equals when it comes to racism. As soon as I reached that goal, the goal post was moved. Why? In order to make unfalsifiable the claim that the Democratic Party is superior to the Republican Party when it comes to racism. its not false logic at all dodo Yes, it is. I used your own argument - that "most Americans are racists" - to demonstrate that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are equal when it comes to racism. Your response was an illogical and unprovable claim that Republican racists are comfortable with their racism. Your claim appears to me to be a desperate attempt to vilify the Republican Party. |
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racists can be any political affiliation or race,,, Yep, and if most Americans are racists, then the Democratic Party is just as racist as the Republican Party, and Americans "of color" are just as racist as white Americans. that's true but I believe that republicans have more racists who are COMFORTABE in being racist,,being from the south and allegiant to its history there is such a thing as a work in progress,, 
Really, and you would be referring to those KKK people? no,, referring to decendants of those confederates who put their lives on the line to keep other people at a status of 'property' instead of human being,,, Really, so the north's treatment of slaves was so great, gave them guns and let them fight the north's was, paid them too. How's that working out for ya? |
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but I believe that republicans have more racists who are COMFORTABE in being racist,,being from the south and allegiant to its history And some people believe that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Your point is ...? Who really care where he was born, does not change the issue one iota. |
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I noticed more reverse racism during the Obama years, the early years in particular. ...a white person who said they were planning not to vote for him got overt and covert accusations of racism when that had nothing to do with it.
I simply cannot agree at this time that whites are more racist than black Americans. It is unfortunate wherever it is found, but it's clearly found among Black Americans now. I am amazed at the way that some people "move the goal post" when it comes to racism. For example, I used another person's argument to demonstrate that the Democratic Party is just as racist as the Republican Party. Upon my reaching the goal post, the other person moved it by claiming "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are". The latter claim is nothing but an example of an ad hoc fallacy. You must consider the source because of nothing else, it is always consistent. |
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No, the people who were racist to begin with have not changed. But they have become a lot more vocal, particularly in the last 2 years. A myopic view? Well, perhaps by your definition. However, I participate or read many discussion forums, and have done so for many years. It is disturbing to read some of the more recent postings, recent referring to the last couple of years. I also have a different perspective as I do not live in the US. While most media outlets report many of the same stories, some of these are sanitized better than others. It is most interesting that the context of racism is automatically assumed to be white versus black. This is simply NOT the case. While the posted story is an example of that very thing, there is increasing racism directed towards Hispanic and non-Christian Americans than ever before. A little effort with online searches will yield some interesting results. I noticed more reverse racism during the Obama years, the early years in particular. ...a white person who said they were plannning not to vote for him got overt and covert accusations of racism when that had nothing to do with it. I simply cannot agree at this time that whites are more racist than black Americans. It is unfortunate wherever it is found, but it's clearly found among Black Americans now. It was there before. It just wasn't expressed as openly. And with the blacks, the fire keeps getting fueled and fanned. Also causes other races to overheat. |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting.
Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". |
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racists can be any political affiliation or race,,, Yep, and if most Americans are racists, then the Democratic Party is just as racist as the Republican Party, and Americans "of color" are just as racist as white Americans. that's true but I believe that republicans have more racists who are COMFORTABE in being racist,,being from the south and allegiant to its history there is such a thing as a work in progress,,
Really, and you would be referring to those KKK people? no,, referring to decendants of those confederates who put their lives on the line to keep other people at a status of 'property' instead of human being,,, Really, so the north's treatment of slaves was so great, gave them guns and let them fight the north's was, paid them too. How's that working out for ya? |
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... are people allowed their opinions nowadays? or are they subject to ridicule like your doing here? Since when is it ridicule to point out errors in logic? My goal was to demonstrate that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are equals when it comes to racism. As soon as I reached that goal, the goal post was moved. Why? In order to make unfalsifiable the claim that the Democratic Party is superior to the Republican Party when it comes to racism. as others posts seem to try to imply that democrats are inferior,, on any number of issues,,, roughly 1 in 2 americans are even registered voter there is no evidence that the racists amongst them are evenly distributed between the parties or not,,, but its my opinion in any case its not false logic at all dodo Yes, it is. I used your own argument - that "most Americans are racists" - to demonstrate that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are equal when it comes to racism. Your response was an illogical and unprovable claim that Republican racists are comfortable with their racism. Your claim appears to me to be a desperate attempt to vilify the Republican Party. |
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racists can be any political affiliation or race,,, Yep, and if most Americans are racists, then the Democratic Party is just as racist as the Republican Party, and Americans "of color" are just as racist as white Americans. that's true but I believe that republicans have more racists who are COMFORTABE in being racist,,being from the south and allegiant to its history there is such a thing as a work in progress,,
Really, and you would be referring to those KKK people? no,, referring to decendants of those confederates who put their lives on the line to keep other people at a status of 'property' instead of human being,,, Really, so the north's treatment of slaves was so great, gave them guns and let them fight the north's was, paid them too. How's that working out for ya? |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. preventing voter fraud, that barely exists http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/ |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". id is required to register already similar to 'benefits' where it is required to apply it isn't required everytime one receives the benefit nor should it be required everytime one uses their right to vote once they have registered |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". id is required to register already similar to 'benefits' where it is required to apply it isn't required everytime one receives the benefit nor should it be required everytime one uses their right to vote once they have registered I would agree with you if everyone that was registered voted. That is simply not the case. Anyone can make calls over a period of time and create a list from those calls as to whom is registered and the whether they intend to vote or not. Not to mention that there is still a very large amount of people registered that have died. What this comes down to in my OPINION is that either you trust that people won't exploit the system or you ensure that the system cannot be exploited. |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". id is required to register already similar to 'benefits' where it is required to apply it isn't required everytime one receives the benefit nor should it be required everytime one uses their right to vote once they have registered I would agree with you if everyone that was registered voted. That is simply not the case. Anyone can make calls over a period of time and create a list from those calls as to whom is registered and the whether they intend to vote or not. Not to mention that there is still a very large amount of people registered that have died. What this comes down to in my OPINION is that either you trust that people won't exploit the system or you ensure that the system cannot be exploited. everyone voting has little to do with voter fraud at the polls banking is not a right, yet we apply with an id and once we get a card we can go to any machine with that card, id or not unemployment is not a right, yet we apply for it and then we have a card that we use, with or without id to make purchases voting is a right, and we apply for it with an id, and receive a voter card which should be sufficient to utilize that right,,, |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". id is required to register already similar to 'benefits' where it is required to apply it isn't required everytime one receives the benefit nor should it be required everytime one uses their right to vote once they have registered I would agree with you if everyone that was registered voted. That is simply not the case. Anyone can make calls over a period of time and create a list from those calls as to whom is registered and the whether they intend to vote or not. Not to mention that there is still a very large amount of people registered that have died. What this comes down to in my OPINION is that either you trust that people won't exploit the system or you ensure that the system cannot be exploited. everyone voting has little to do with voter fraud at the polls banking is not a right, yet we apply with an id and once we get a card we can go to any machine with that card, id or not unemployment is not a right, yet we apply for it and then we have a card that we use, with or without id to make purchases voting is a right, and we apply for it with an id, and receive a voter card which should be sufficient to utilize that right,,, Registered people not voting is the easiest way to commit fraud. If I know you aren't voting and I pay some woman $5 to go into your voting station and use your name how does the poll worker know it isn't you? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 02/24/14 08:28 AM
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". id is required to register already similar to 'benefits' where it is required to apply it isn't required everytime one receives the benefit nor should it be required everytime one uses their right to vote once they have registered I would agree with you if everyone that was registered voted. That is simply not the case. Anyone can make calls over a period of time and create a list from those calls as to whom is registered and the whether they intend to vote or not. Not to mention that there is still a very large amount of people registered that have died. What this comes down to in my OPINION is that either you trust that people won't exploit the system or you ensure that the system cannot be exploited. everyone voting has little to do with voter fraud at the polls banking is not a right, yet we apply with an id and once we get a card we can go to any machine with that card, id or not unemployment is not a right, yet we apply for it and then we have a card that we use, with or without id to make purchases voting is a right, and we apply for it with an id, and receive a voter card which should be sufficient to utilize that right,,, Registered people not voting is the easiest way to commit fraud. If I know you aren't voting and I pay some woman $5 to go into your voting station and use your name how does the poll worker know it isn't you? it rarely EVER happens Invictus,, the more common fraud is using names of deceased and that is REGISTRATION fraud people aren't that eager to go out and vote, people who decide not to vote rarely are advertising it and probably rarely to someone who is looking to take the risk of fraudulently voting when there are places to register ALL over the place legally its not a crime that happens in any numbers that have an affect on anything,,, and those who are that determined, can just as easily get a fake id to reach their goal the id is just a unnecessary, costly inconvenience for people to keep them from exercising their right once registered |
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The false claim that "Republicans are more comfortable being racists than Democrats are" is due in part to a belief in the false claim that Republicans are trying to pass "Voter ID" laws for the purpose of preventing minorities from voting. Recap: Recently on a TV program, a Republican allegedly said that "voter ID" laws would help Republicans. A Democrat jumped to the false conclusion that "voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing minorities from voting. The Reality: "Voter ID" laws help Republicans by preventing voting fraud. The Republican Party see voting fraud as helping Democrats, and the claim that "voter ID" laws prevent minorities from voting is a claim that hasn't been proven. Yeah, isn't it remarkable how an "ID" is ok to get benefits but taboo when voting. Those Dumbocrats sure have a weird sense of "right". id is required to register already similar to 'benefits' where it is required to apply it isn't required everytime one receives the benefit nor should it be required everytime one uses their right to vote once they have registered I would agree with you if everyone that was registered voted. That is simply not the case. Anyone can make calls over a period of time and create a list from those calls as to whom is registered and the whether they intend to vote or not. Not to mention that there is still a very large amount of people registered that have died. What this comes down to in my OPINION is that either you trust that people won't exploit the system or you ensure that the system cannot be exploited. everyone voting has little to do with voter fraud at the polls banking is not a right, yet we apply with an id and once we get a card we can go to any machine with that card, id or not unemployment is not a right, yet we apply for it and then we have a card that we use, with or without id to make purchases voting is a right, and we apply for it with an id, and receive a voter card which should be sufficient to utilize that right,,, Registered people not voting is the easiest way to commit fraud. If I know you aren't voting and I pay some woman $5 to go into your voting station and use your name how does the poll worker know it isn't you? it rarely EVER happens Invictus,, the more common fraud is using names of deceased and that is REGISTRATION fraud people aren't that eager to go out and vote, people who decide not to vote rarely are advertising it and probably rarely to someone who is looking to take the risk of fraudulently voting when there are places to register ALL over the place legally its not a crime that happens in any numbers that have an affect on anything,,, and those who are that determined, can just as easily get a fake id to reach their goal the id is just a unnecessary, costly inconvenience for people to keep them from exercising their right once registered So, since you didn't answer my question I will assume that if someone went into your polling station and used your name there is no way for the poll worker to know it isn't you. You are assuming that people don't advertise their voting habits, but there are still huge numbers of people that hand over large sums of money to scam artists. If someone calls 1000 people a day and pretends to be affiliated with a political party and ask whether or not they are registered and intend to vote I am certain that 50 people will disclose that information. That is a very conservative estimate because I believe it would be much higher. |
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