I thought I remembered a dent or something. Maybe have just been it being wet. I'd still say it doesn't mean that was what he was going to use it for that. The stuff on facebook or whatever shows a probability that it would be used for it. It is not a guarantee. That's all I'm saying.

show me where in any police certified watch material they are supposed to 'follow if necessary'?

no one is 'innocent' by the purest standards, Zimmerman had his own past on POLICE RECORD,,,

this isn't a matter of some pure standard of 'innocence'

this is about an armed adult and an unarmed minor

but Zimmerman was the adult and the watch captain, who never said he would or should not have followed the minor

and because he is an adult, he should not have been following a minor around after police already said they were on his way

and he shouldn't have tried to detain him instead of deescalating the situation,,

he had no right to act as a cop and try to detain this minor , which I have very logical reasons to believe he did,,,

and this minor had EVERY right after trying to AVOID This adult, to ask him why he was following him, AND to defend himself once that question caused a combative reaction from the adult,,,

Why you keep calling Treyvon a kid is beyond me...My son was 16 when he won the gold medal at the world karate championship in Orlando . At sixteen he could take on men twice his age and twice as big. T.M was taller than Z and faster, more agile than an overweight Z. I think the main problem with this whole conversation is that you don't see any "real" evidence about T.M's background. Just like the video says..The
prosecution and Judge didn't allow any evidence into trial about his background, they wanted T.M judged by the color of skin rather than the content of his character.

WOW, where did you get this Idea that Zimmerman was trying to "detain" him?????? I'd like to see any trial transcript that says that.

I'm going to say something silly and stupid. Do not over react to this.

A guy might buy a pack of condoms. It does not mean he is going to get laid. Maybe he just wants to load them up with cocaine and have a girl shove them up her woo hoo so she can smuggle into Mexico.

its my culture, our kids are our kids until they are old enough to be independent and on their own

our laws, call him a 'minor',, its really a trivial point


trey wasn't a gold medalist anywhere, there is no evidence he could 'take on men twice his age'

in fact, there is evidence that even a kid his age and size had beat him down,,,


t was taller but height has nothing to do with strength,,particularly if one is UNDERWEIGHT for their height, strength may not be assumed to be particularly exceptional,,

and TMS background is the problem with this conversation

the picture painted of a minor is very much about personal interjection and perspective,,and there is a very divided perspective in this country that seems to tie in with race far too often

Trey may have been a kid , living in a rough neighborhood, who got in a school fight or school fights

he may have used a drug, instead of the alcohol or cigarettes so many suburban teens use, that was a 'street' drug in his 'past'

but these things, done as a minor, still don't stop him from having been a 'minor' when he made those choices

minors, whom we usually allow time to grow and learn before persecuting them for their bad judgment,, sometimes get painted as and treated as grown ups if they are from certain backgrounds

I agree, that is another issue in the divisiveness of this case

he used drugs and/or alcohol,, how many teens do?
he got in school fights,,,, how many teens do?

Zimmerman had been a partier, a drinker, got into altercations AS AN ADULT,,,,,,,how many adults have?

,,how would ANY of that justify being armed and following a minor and trying to accost a minor whom you have NO PERSONAL knowledge about,,,?

how would any of that not justify, after being followed incessantly at night by a stranger, and then being grabbed, DEFENDING ONESELF against that person?

ur awful

That joke evolved so fast in my head I just had to post it.

his PAST,, the same place people are getting their idea that this minor was not a child, this minor was a thug, this minor was a man,,etc,,,,


a charge for resisting officer with violence
a restraining order from a past fiancé for domestic violence
report from others regarding his firing from an under the table job for literally THROWING A WOMAN out of a party,,,,
and a witness testimony about hearing him say 'what are you doing around here', before hearing the phone drop and treyvon say 'get off of me'


and his obvious complete disgust that the 'fing goon' was going to 'get away'....

YES IT DOES.

It proves that he is not the "innocent child" going to the store to get candy that you keep saying he is. That's a bunch of spin and really bad spin at that.

He had the skittles and arizona watermelon juice on him, NOT tea....

That he was learning and practicing Karate proves that he was not "unarmed."

Karate is a method of KILLING WITH YOUR BARE HANDS.

lol,,,whatever

my six year old nephew takes karate too, guess that makes him a killing machine

not that I even believe or care that TReyvon was taking any such lessons

again, this wasn't about 'inncoence', this was about THAT night

who was armed and who was unarmed

neither party had INNOCENT pasts

but one was an ARMED Adult who wasn't innocent, but not guilty of anything that night UNTIL The altercation

and one was an unarmed minor who wasn't guilty of doing anything that night UNTIL the altercation

A six year old is quite different from a 17 year old 5' 11" inch teen.
And Karate is a method to kill with your bare hands whether you believe that or not.

If this is not about "innocence" then stop spinning the yarn that a vicious armed adult murdered an innocent child going to the story to buy candy.

That's so corny its pathetic.

Hey look. this horse has been beaten so much that even the hair is powdered.

karate is taken by millions of children, it is not taught for 'killing with your bare hands'

it is taught for self discipline and self defense,, plain and simple

I haven't said z was viscious, IN fact I believe and stated that he is a coward

and this was a minor, unarmed,and going to the store to buy candy and drink

that's so TRUE,, its documented,,,lol

yeah, but its a horse who took karate,,

so regular rules don't apply,,lol

So it needs BBQ?

mmm,, now u r making me hungry

Well if you're hungry enough. I cut my arm off and you can eat it. But I want the bones back so I can see if I can regrow the skin on them. lol

ewwww

izzy,,

r u feeling ok?....

If you don't learn how to kill with your bare hands in your Karate class its not a real karate class.

Someone like Tray is doing it to learn self defense, or for an offensive attack....probably the latter.

And if they are not teaching students how to do serious damage and what can kill someone then they are doing a disservice to the student, because the other karate guy (the real one) knows how to kill you.

It's not a kids play time. If you think that then someone has pulled the wool over your eyes.

When the art of karate first came to America it was illegal because it was the art of killing. Karate experts were supposed to have their hands registered as lethal weapons.

What you are talking about is not real karate...or you have been bamboozled.