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Topic: Stop Inulting Zimmerman Jury
msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 11:53 AM
Jeannie

I am aware. I Am actually doing RESEARCH about the things alleged here. Unlike others.

I have viewed (and posted here)

treyvons autopsy
treyvons toxicology report
zimmermans medical report

..so,, to answer your questions

try had a 1 1/2 inch scar on his right shoulder and his right hand

did you know that the items in his bag were NOT Identified as stolen?
or that a 'scrwedriver' was the 'burglary tool' in question

(my brother had a report of attacking with a 'weapon' when he swung back on a kid while having his shop paddle in his hand)

did you know he was found with skittles and TEA,,,lol
and some numbnuts are making some leap regarding what these might be ingredients for?

I know ALL ABOUT the smear campaign on this dead kid,,,

did you know NONE of that would have any relevance to whether an armed adult had the right to shoot an unarmed kid dead? being neither of them would have any clue about eithers past or alleged past?

so, stop rationalizing this thug in your mind and accept the fact that he was a paranoid adult playing cop vigilante, who profiled a kid and ending up shooting him dead and that he was the one in pursuit with a weapon and the 'aggressor'

but you cant do that because its easy to believe 'the thuggish black kid' stories,, to justify this atrocity,,,

you have a right to your opinion as well, and the right to believe whichever 'facts' you glean off the internet,,,


and I will not stop calling T a child, for that is what he was,,,,,


no photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:14 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 07/27/13 12:16 PM
What kind of tea? According to the report here in this video, it was exactly what they were using to make Lean.

The stolen items were IN HIS LOCKER AT SCHOOL. (not reported as stolen but found... to avoid a scar on the school's record.)

did you know NONE of that would have any relevance to whether an armed adult had the right to shoot an unarmed kid dead? being neither of them would have any clue about eithers past or alleged past?


And none if it did, and none of it was presented to the jury and THEY FOUND ZIMMERMAN NOT GUILTY ANYWAY.

The only smear campaign is YOURS and Nancy Grace's.

Accept the verdict and get over it.

Travon was not a child. He was a young adult. Children are under the age of 12.

In this case, I trust the Jury of women. They obviously didn't see him as a "child."






msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:15 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 07/27/13 12:18 PM

What kind of tea? According to the report here in this video, it was exactly what they were using to make Lean.

The stolen items were IN HIS LOCKER AT SCHOOL. (not reported as stolen but found... to avoid a scar on the school's record.)

did you know NONE of that would have any relevance to whether an armed adult had the right to shoot an unarmed kid dead? being neither of them would have any clue about eithers past or alleged past?


And none if it did, and none of it was presented to the jury and THEY FOUND ZIMMERMAN NOT GUILTY ANYWAY.

The only smear campaign is YOURS and Nancy Grace's.

Accept the verdict and get over it.





see there, there is no EXACT ingredients to lean

any sweet drink, with a codeine based cough syrup, and sweet candy, can be used to make the street 'drug'

the jewelry was found inside his BAG after a search for the marker he used to write wtf on some school property,,,and they were turned to police, and NEVER claimed by anyone as stolen

as to the rest,,,

the simpsons continued to seek their justice after a 'not guilty' plea

they didn't 'let it go'

neither do I nor many other americans feel obligated to let this 'go'

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Sat 07/27/13 12:17 PM


What kind of tea? According to the report here in this video, it was exactly what they were using to make Lean.

The stolen items were IN HIS LOCKER AT SCHOOL. (not reported as stolen but found... to avoid a scar on the school's record.)

did you know NONE of that would have any relevance to whether an armed adult had the right to shoot an unarmed kid dead? being neither of them would have any clue about eithers past or alleged past?


And none if it did, and none of it was presented to the jury and THEY FOUND ZIMMERMAN NOT GUILTY ANYWAY.

The only smear campaign is YOURS and Nancy Grace's.

Accept the verdict and get over it.




the simpsons continued to seek their justice after a 'not guilty' plea

they didn't 'let it go'

neither do I nor many other americans feel obligated to let this 'go'



That was in a civil court. And there is NO COMPARISON.

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:19 PM



What kind of tea? According to the report here in this video, it was exactly what they were using to make Lean.

The stolen items were IN HIS LOCKER AT SCHOOL. (not reported as stolen but found... to avoid a scar on the school's record.)

did you know NONE of that would have any relevance to whether an armed adult had the right to shoot an unarmed kid dead? being neither of them would have any clue about eithers past or alleged past?


And none if it did, and none of it was presented to the jury and THEY FOUND ZIMMERMAN NOT GUILTY ANYWAY.

The only smear campaign is YOURS and Nancy Grace's.

Accept the verdict and get over it.




the simpsons continued to seek their justice after a 'not guilty' plea

they didn't 'let it go'

neither do I nor many other americans feel obligated to let this 'go'



That was in a civil court. And there is NO COMPARISON.


of course there is,, a family and members of public felt justice has not been served

civil court is an option in either families situation,,,

no photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:23 PM
To compare OJ Simson's case to this case is utterly ridiculous.

These Media whores don't report facts anymore, they are after nothing but ratings. Is that what you want? A race war?

They found Zimmerman guilty before he ever went to trial. That is not the American way. If Zimmerman would have been black, this case would not have made it to national news. Someone is just stirring up a bunch of hateful B.S. propaganda and SPIN.










no photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:25 PM




What kind of tea? According to the report here in this video, it was exactly what they were using to make Lean.

The stolen items were IN HIS LOCKER AT SCHOOL. (not reported as stolen but found... to avoid a scar on the school's record.)

did you know NONE of that would have any relevance to whether an armed adult had the right to shoot an unarmed kid dead? being neither of them would have any clue about eithers past or alleged past?


And none if it did, and none of it was presented to the jury and THEY FOUND ZIMMERMAN NOT GUILTY ANYWAY.

The only smear campaign is YOURS and Nancy Grace's.

Accept the verdict and get over it.




the simpsons continued to seek their justice after a 'not guilty' plea

they didn't 'let it go'

neither do I nor many other americans feel obligated to let this 'go'



That was in a civil court. And there is NO COMPARISON.


of course there is,, a family and members of public felt justice has not been served

civil court is an option in either families situation,,,


Only for the greedy who want to get some money.
Of course its an option. I hope it happens and Zimmerman counter sues them for harassment.

no photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:27 PM
Civil court is corporate law, not criminal law. Its all about money.
Sure everyone is angry, there will always be a loser and a winner in any case. These people are just sore losers.

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:33 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 07/27/13 12:34 PM

To compare OJ Simson's case to this case is utterly ridiculous.

These Media whores don't report facts anymore, they are after nothing but ratings. Is that what you want? A race war?

They found Zimmerman guilty before he ever went to trial. That is not the American way. If Zimmerman would have been black, this case would not have made it to national news. Someone is just stirring up a bunch of hateful B.S. propaganda and SPIN.













what is hateful about seeking truth or justice? its hateful because the people happened to be of different races?

its hateful because the victim was black?

yes, I thought Zimmerman was guilty of being an armed adult who was on tape profiling this minor (fing goons get away,,,,)

I thought Zimmerman was guilty of being an armed adult told not to follow the minor, who appeared to have continued doing just that

I thought Zimmerman was guilty of being an armed adult who escalated an already tense situation that HE CREATED, by not identifying himself at any time to this minor he was following alone at night

I thought Zimmerman was guilty (as the witness on the phone testified) of ESCALATING Things when asked why he was following the minor by being COMBATIVE And questioning the minor

I thought it was LIKELY (given zimmermans documented past and his statements on the phone) that along with the questioning he tried to detain this minor

I thought it was LIKELY and reasonable , that after being followed alone in the night, and responded to in combative nature by an adult grabbing at you, or even grabbing for something in their pocket,,,that a minor would fight back in defense

I thought it was EVIDENT That Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and POSSIBLY screamed like a baby during the ordeal,,,


,,but the TRIAL showed me no reason to change my mind, as I was open to doing,,,

it showed me no evidence that treyvon came back and initiated a fight
it showed me no evidence that treyvon slammed Zs head on pavement

it showed me no EVIDENCE of anything beyond 3 things

1. treyvon was followed by an armed adult
2. at some point an altercation incurred which resulted in a broken nose for Z
3. at some point during the altercation Z pulled a gun and shot an unarmed minor


,,these are FACTS and how each person believes those facts tie together is their perception and their prerogative

many like me believe this boy was pursued and then while trying to defend himself was shot by an overgrown adult COWARD...


izzyphoto1977's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:36 PM


If Trey had been using "lean" does anyone know how long that would be in his system?


here is what I found,, I didn't look up 'lean' as it is a combination of many things

but the active ingredient of the drug 'codeine' , here is what a site on alcoholism had to say about it
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/work/qt/How-Long-Does-Codeine-Stay.htm

no codeine mentioned in his tox report here,, only very TRACE amounts of weed ( fyi use of weed 4-5 weeks ago would show up as 15ng, and the amount was 1/2 of that)



http://www.talkleft.com/zimm/nmslabreport84.pdf


Interesting it can be found for up to 90 days on hair. Makes me think of murder cases where they found high amounts of arsenic on hair and that being the factor that got someone convicted.

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:37 PM



If Trey had been using "lean" does anyone know how long that would be in his system?


here is what I found,, I didn't look up 'lean' as it is a combination of many things

but the active ingredient of the drug 'codeine' , here is what a site on alcoholism had to say about it
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/work/qt/How-Long-Does-Codeine-Stay.htm

no codeine mentioned in his tox report here,, only very TRACE amounts of weed ( fyi use of weed 4-5 weeks ago would show up as 15ng, and the amount was 1/2 of that)



http://www.talkleft.com/zimm/nmslabreport84.pdf


Interesting it can be found for up to 90 days on hair. Makes me think of murder cases where they found high amounts of arsenic on hair and that being the factor that got someone convicted.


its all interesting stuff, isn't it?

that's why I initially pursued the paralegal career, the research part can really teach a lot of 'trivial' things that one would not normally really think about,,,

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:42 PM
I think she still refuses to watch the video...also you say there is no evidence he had mma style fights...so why did he post on his FB that "he wanted a rematch because the other guy didn't bleed enough" sounds like someone who isn't happy just winning but has a sadistic violent side too.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:46 PM

Msharmony, your'e not "aware" of things in this case because you don't want to be. Did you watch that video? I doubt it.

Did Travon Martin have ANY marks or bruises on him at all? He didn't from what I understand.

Did you know that burglary tools were found in his locker at school and also found was stolen items from a burglary? Did you know that the school didn't report them as stolen items because it would have been bad for their record?

Did you know that he wasn't going to the store to get "tea" and "candy" but that he bought two ingredient (out of three needed) to make LEAN?? He was making drugs!

Doubtful if you know any of this about Travon Martin. Even the Jury was not given this information and THEY STILL FOUND z NOT GUILTY.

So stop rationalizing this thug in your mind and accept the fact that he was up to no good, and he is the attacker, not Zimmerman.

But you can't do that because you are prejudice and you repeatedly ignore the facts, and spread your slanted propaganda, for what reason I don't know.

You have a right to an opinion but you don't have a right to make up your own facts. And for crap sake stop calling that thug a child. He was no child.




Not trying to take sides. But as far as the drink and candy go. He may have just wanted the drink and candy with no intention of making lean this time. Even if they found cough syrup in his house for the third ingredient. It doesn't mean that's what he was going to do with it.

I could just as easily talk about wanting someone dead, go to the store and buy bullets for a .22 and not intend to use them to actually kill someone. I'm just kind of playing devils advocate on that part. I also saw from the picture that the drink looked like it had been opened in that video which is another reason why I say he may have just wanted a drink and some candy.

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:48 PM




did you know he was found with skittles and TEA,,,lol
and some numbnuts are making some leap regarding what these might be ingredients for?

I know ALL ABOUT the smear campaign on this dead kid,,,






On his FB account he is asking where to buy high grade codeine and then
learns how to make a good grade "lean" from using skittles and arizona watermelon juice...its all documented..you can see the evidence if you just watch the video...actually shows the page from his posts.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:49 PM




If Trey had been using "lean" does anyone know how long that would be in his system?


here is what I found,, I didn't look up 'lean' as it is a combination of many things

but the active ingredient of the drug 'codeine' , here is what a site on alcoholism had to say about it
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/work/qt/How-Long-Does-Codeine-Stay.htm

no codeine mentioned in his tox report here,, only very TRACE amounts of weed ( fyi use of weed 4-5 weeks ago would show up as 15ng, and the amount was 1/2 of that)



http://www.talkleft.com/zimm/nmslabreport84.pdf


Interesting it can be found for up to 90 days on hair. Makes me think of murder cases where they found high amounts of arsenic on hair and that being the factor that got someone convicted.


its all interesting stuff, isn't it?

that's why I initially pursued the paralegal career, the research part can really teach a lot of 'trivial' things that one would not normally really think about,,,


Forensics is interesting and is one reason I have wanted to get into law enforcement. But I have major energy problems that I think would make me a risk with those long hours. Probably a terrible witness on the stand too. "What was that question for the 57th time?" lol

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:53 PM
Well its hard to tell but to me it looks full..no dents, seems to have condensation from being full and cold...but that could also be from rain..its anyone's guess..but doesn't seem like a big leap to assume with his history also the liver damage that he was still using..its like a crack head having a rock but not sure if he's going to smoke it.

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 12:57 PM

I think she still refuses to watch the video...also you say there is no evidence he had mma style fights...so why did he post on his FB that "he wanted a rematch because the other guy didn't bleed enough" sounds like someone who isn't happy just winning but has a sadistic violent side too.


I watched the video,, that's why I know the asinine leap that having skittles and a tea somehow meant there was an intent to make or use lean,,,

its another internet commentators opinions and
fill in the blanks
attempt at justifying that night

,,big deal


and again TREYVON was a minor in hs,,whatever he tweeted or posted

(and I question a lot of this information out there about his alleged tweets and facebook posts)

is irrelevant to what he was CAPABLE of doing physically

and he still had no MMA training, in fact, it was Z who had been to the MMA gym,,,,


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Sat 07/27/13 01:03 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 07/27/13 01:03 PM
Travon was tall, taller than Zimmerman. That he was a "minor" was certainly not relevant to the event.

Minors break into houses an steal things too.

There had been break-ins and burglaries in that neighborhood. Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch. They are SUPPOSED TO WATCH and follow if necessary.

This was a tragic event. Mistakes were made by both people.

Travon was not an "innocent child." He was on suspension from school, he was buying ingredients for making drugs, and he was very possibly a burglar because burglar tools and stolen goods were found in his locker.

So because he is black, a neighborhood watch captain should just ignore him loitering in that neighborhood? I don't think so.

Zimmerman should not have gotten out of the car, and he will be the first to admit that. But he had every right to continue to watch and follow.







msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 01:03 PM
asked and answered

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/27/13 01:04 PM





did you know he was found with skittles and TEA,,,lol
and some numbnuts are making some leap regarding what these might be ingredients for?

I know ALL ABOUT the smear campaign on this dead kid,,,






On his FB account he is asking where to buy high grade codeine and then
learns how to make a good grade "lean" from using skittles and arizona watermelon juice...its all documented..you can see the evidence if you just watch the video...actually shows the page from his posts.



yep, he is also saying he is going to STOP Using it,, and that was nearly a year BEFORE his death

so its also not really got anything to do with the two people and their actions that night,,,

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