Topic: Why doesn’t love keep us together?
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Sun 03/17/13 07:25 AM












Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


I totally get what you are saying Mik and furthermore your comment, "After all, this is a 3rd world country" IMHO was exactly right....3rd world countries are breeding grounds for domestic violence....

Although it is global, domestic violence prevails in 3rd world countries for obvious and significant reasons...Historically, in many 3rd world cultures domestic violence was/is considered a "fact" of life...It is "culturally" acceptable...
Other contributing factors include sanctioning, protection under silence or privacy, poverty, inferior or no education, patriarchal societies, limited or no assistance (of any kind) to abused women and their children and more....flowerforyou




Hey, Leigh. U r right about the other contributing factors. I totally agree with u.
Do u know any country that considers divorce as a sin?(not the expression but literally)? I am not bragging but it is the truth. It is my country. There are slight individuals who think it is absurd but without exaggerating 99% of the population think it as a sin


Hey Mikwaving I knew that many consider it a sin, but I had no idea it was 99%...Talking with you makes me appreciate my country even more...:heart:

Leigh, what i meant was the population practice it whatever the case is(of course the bible and kuran say it).
It really interests me. What I believe is that divorce is the last resort to couples' separation


:thumbsup: I share that belief Mik...Divorce should always be a "last" resort...:smile:

So why last in quotation?


Placed for emphasis...Divorce has become so socially acceptable and accessible in my country that many couples seem more willing to use it as a "first" resort to solving marital problems rather than a "last" resort.... :)

GreenEyes48's photo
Sun 03/17/13 07:26 AM

Tammy Wynette relates her own version of why couples don't stay married for a lifetime....

D-I-V-O-R-C-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2o9-jmtNoU

Our divorce becomes final today...

drinker smokin drinker smokin drinker smokin drinker
******************************************************
So you're officially "free" today...How are you doing and feeling?...Good you keep finding songs that help you express your emotions...One of my husband's favorite songs was "Celebrate" by "Kool and the Gang."...Every time he was happy and excited about something he sang "Celebrate!"

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Sun 03/17/13 07:38 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Sun 03/17/13 07:51 AM








Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


We can't avoid DV here in the United States either... so it's a good thing that we can divorce those who prefer to live aggressively and take their personal problems out on others. You know, they even categorize emotional abuse as part of DV too... who knew that being rude and spiteful to those around us could be classified as abuse... pretty soon even our thoughts will fit into some kind of category that we'll need therapy to cope with too... laugh

Emotional abuse as DV? Please! Are they sane? What is the world being changed into? B4 they started programming your thoughts, better leave ur country(lol)


Yes, in doing a little Google search of Wikipedia we can find that our government has done studies that define emotional, mental, psychological abuse as being perpetrated by those who seek power, and control over others. And apparently, it has been discovered that we women are substantially more likely to exhibit psychological aggression, and that it can be regarded as a normalized element in dating. Jeezz… aggressive women is considered the norm now… yikes… the research goes on to tell us that subtler emotionally abusive tactics include insults, putdowns, arbitrary and unpredictable inconsistency, and gaslighting (the denial that previous abusive incidents occurred). Modern technology has led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

And it’s also stated that male and female perpetrators of emotional and physical abuse exhibit high rates of personality disorders. While abusers can be very manipulative, often recruiting friends, law officers and court officials, even the victim's family to their side, while shifting blame to the victim. This is the scary part to me… that abusers are so smooth they can fool anyone into believing they are right and the other is wrong.

And then when a woman decides to protect herself from this type of arbitrary mistreatment, lets say by recording the behavior, she is looked on as the man hater... our world is truly spinning out of control... and no one is truly safe in any environment from those who want too and choose to abuse others... especially when they turn it into a big joke, so their public abuse can be applauded with laughter.laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh drinker laugh drinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh

oldhippie1952's photo
Sun 03/17/13 07:40 AM
I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.

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Sun 03/17/13 07:45 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Sun 03/17/13 08:00 AM


Tammy Wynette relates her own version of why couples don't stay married for a lifetime....

D-I-V-O-R-C-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2o9-jmtNoU

Our divorce becomes final today...

drinker smokin drinker smokin drinker smokin drinker
******************************************************
So you're officially "free" today...How are you doing and feeling?...Good you keep finding songs that help you express your emotions...One of my husband's favorite songs was "Celebrate" by "Kool and the Gang."...Every time he was happy and excited about something he sang "Celebrate!"


I've been free since last May... And posted this song to add some flavor to this thread, and also as one answer to part of my original question about why couples don't stay together... it's called divorce...laugh

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Sun 03/17/13 07:50 AM













Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


I totally get what you are saying Mik and furthermore your comment, "After all, this is a 3rd world country" IMHO was exactly right....3rd world countries are breeding grounds for domestic violence....

Although it is global, domestic violence prevails in 3rd world countries for obvious and significant reasons...Historically, in many 3rd world cultures domestic violence was/is considered a "fact" of life...It is "culturally" acceptable...
Other contributing factors include sanctioning, protection under silence or privacy, poverty, inferior or no education, patriarchal societies, limited or no assistance (of any kind) to abused women and their children and more....flowerforyou




Hey, Leigh. U r right about the other contributing factors. I totally agree with u.
Do u know any country that considers divorce as a sin?(not the expression but literally)? I am not bragging but it is the truth. It is my country. There are slight individuals who think it is absurd but without exaggerating 99% of the population think it as a sin


Hey Mikwaving I knew that many consider it a sin, but I had no idea it was 99%...Talking with you makes me appreciate my country even more...:heart:

Leigh, what i meant was the population practice it whatever the case is(of course the bible and kuran say it).
It really interests me. What I believe is that divorce is the last resort to couples' separation


:thumbsup: I share that belief Mik...Divorce should always be a "last" resort...:smile:

So why last in quotation?


Placed for emphasis...Divorce has become so socially acceptable and accessible in my country that many couples seem more willing to use it as a "first" resort to solving marital problems rather than a "last" resort.... :)

I take it ur country is the states? Pure wild guess if i am correct. It is just that i hear a lot of divorces are coming from US. It is saddening. Why is it there are so many divorces over there?

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Sun 03/17/13 07:59 AM

I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?

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Sun 03/17/13 08:01 AM


I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?


I expect teamwork. Marriage is a hard job.

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Sun 03/17/13 08:05 AM



I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?


I expect teamwork. Marriage is a hard job.


But it's so much fun for the first couple of years... :wink: and it's too bad that after the newness wears off it then becomes a chore to stay happy... but it is what it is... bigsmile

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Sun 03/17/13 08:07 AM




I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?


I expect teamwork. Marriage is a hard job.


But it's so much fun for the first couple of years... :wink: and it's too bad that after the newness wears off it then becomes a chore to stay happy... but it is what it is... bigsmile



I thought it was fun all the time? The hard work is keeping up with your ever-evolving partner.

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Sun 03/17/13 08:09 AM









Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


We can't avoid DV here in the United States either... so it's a good thing that we can divorce those who prefer to live aggressively and take their personal problems out on others. You know, they even categorize emotional abuse as part of DV too... who knew that being rude and spiteful to those around us could be classified as abuse... pretty soon even our thoughts will fit into some kind of category that we'll need therapy to cope with too... laugh

Emotional abuse as DV? Please! Are they sane? What is the world being changed into? B4 they started programming your thoughts, better leave ur country(lol)


Yes, in doing a little Google search of Wikipedia we can find that our government has done studies that define emotional, mental, psychological abuse as being perpetrated by those who seek power, and control over others. And apparently, it has been discovered that we women are substantially more likely to exhibit psychological aggression, and that it can be regarded as a normalized element in dating. Jeezz… aggressive women is considered the norm now… yikes… the research goes on to tell us that subtler emotionally abusive tactics include insults, putdowns, arbitrary and unpredictable inconsistency, and gaslighting (the denial that previous abusive incidents occurred). Modern technology has led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

And it’s also stated that male and female perpetrators of emotional and physical abuse exhibit high rates of personality disorders. While abusers can be very manipulative, often recruiting friends, law officers and court officials, even the victim's family to their side, while shifting blame to the victim. This is the scary part to me… that abusers are so smooth they can fool anyone into believing they are right and the other is wrong.

And then when a woman decides to protect herself from this type of arbitrary mistreatment, lets say by recording the behavior, she is looked on as the man hater... our world is truly spinning out of control...

Thanks for sharing your research. It is sad and spooky...I've noticed that people can become angry and defensive out in the open. Or they can use subtle (and passive-aggressive) tactics. (Like making fun of someone or turning a person into the "butt" of their jokes etc.)...My first husband used a few "gaslighting" techniques on me. But once I got out into the world a little more (on my own) I realized that my husband had been trying to keep me "down" and hold me "back." (Due to his hidden insecurities and "abandonment" fears.)

mikaxel80's photo
Sun 03/17/13 08:09 AM









Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


We can't avoid DV here in the United States either... so it's a good thing that we can divorce those who prefer to live aggressively and take their personal problems out on others. You know, they even categorize emotional abuse as part of DV too... who knew that being rude and spiteful to those around us could be classified as abuse... pretty soon even our thoughts will fit into some kind of category that we'll need therapy to cope with too... laugh

Emotional abuse as DV? Please! Are they sane? What is the world being changed into? B4 they started programming your thoughts, better leave ur country(lol)


Yes, in doing a little Google search of Wikipedia we can find that our government has done studies that define emotional, mental, psychological abuse as being perpetrated by those who seek power, and control over others. And apparently, it has been discovered that we women are substantially more likely to exhibit psychological aggression, and that it can be regarded as a normalized element in dating. Jeezz… aggressive women is considered the norm now… yikes… the research goes on to tell us that subtler emotionally abusive tactics include insults, putdowns, arbitrary and unpredictable inconsistency, and gaslighting (the denial that previous abusive incidents occurred). Modern technology has led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

And it’s also stated that male and female perpetrators of emotional and physical abuse exhibit high rates of personality disorders. While abusers can be very manipulative, often recruiting friends, law officers and court officials, even the victim's family to their side, while shifting blame to the victim. This is the scary part to me… that abusers are so smooth they can fool anyone into believing they are right and the other is wrong.

And then when a woman decides to protect herself from this type of arbitrary mistreatment, lets say by recording the behavior, she is looked on as the man hater... our world is truly spinning out of control... and no one is truly safe in any environment from those who want too and choose to abuse others... especially when they turn it into a big joke, so their public abuse can be applauded with laughter.laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh drinker laugh drinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh


Research, research! Everywhere is research. How r we going to live? Some research shows, some dont. Some say eat this for healthy diet, another says otherwise. I am fed up of them!
On the topic of smooth abusers, here(like in the cappital and other big cities) cant believe how smooth they can get. The abuser plays the perfect husband and the perfect father and all of a sudden after a coupla years he pours acid on his wife's body or face(it has become a recent norm).
Btw, congratulations on it being final

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Sun 03/17/13 08:10 AM





I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?


I expect teamwork. Marriage is a hard job.


But it's so much fun for the first couple of years... :wink: and it's too bad that after the newness wears off it then becomes a chore to stay happy... but it is what it is... bigsmile



I thought it was fun all the time? The hard work is keeping up with your ever-evolving partner.


now, now, hippie... I'm beginning to detect a slight shift in the blame game... laugh you know that an ever evolving partner can be very exciting as she learns new ways to please... :wink:

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Sun 03/17/13 08:14 AM






I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?


I expect teamwork. Marriage is a hard job.


But it's so much fun for the first couple of years... :wink: and it's too bad that after the newness wears off it then becomes a chore to stay happy... but it is what it is... bigsmile



I thought it was fun all the time? The hard work is keeping up with your ever-evolving partner.


now, now, hippie... I'm beginning to detect a slight shift in the blame game... laugh you know that an ever evolving partner can be very exciting as she learns new ways to please... :wink:



What's to blame, people change. It is up to you to recognize and facilitate this or risk losing them by being stagnant.

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Sun 03/17/13 08:17 AM










Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


We can't avoid DV here in the United States either... so it's a good thing that we can divorce those who prefer to live aggressively and take their personal problems out on others. You know, they even categorize emotional abuse as part of DV too... who knew that being rude and spiteful to those around us could be classified as abuse... pretty soon even our thoughts will fit into some kind of category that we'll need therapy to cope with too... laugh

Emotional abuse as DV? Please! Are they sane? What is the world being changed into? B4 they started programming your thoughts, better leave ur country(lol)


Yes, in doing a little Google search of Wikipedia we can find that our government has done studies that define emotional, mental, psychological abuse as being perpetrated by those who seek power, and control over others. And apparently, it has been discovered that we women are substantially more likely to exhibit psychological aggression, and that it can be regarded as a normalized element in dating. Jeezz… aggressive women is considered the norm now… yikes… the research goes on to tell us that subtler emotionally abusive tactics include insults, putdowns, arbitrary and unpredictable inconsistency, and gaslighting (the denial that previous abusive incidents occurred). Modern technology has led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

And it’s also stated that male and female perpetrators of emotional and physical abuse exhibit high rates of personality disorders. While abusers can be very manipulative, often recruiting friends, law officers and court officials, even the victim's family to their side, while shifting blame to the victim. This is the scary part to me… that abusers are so smooth they can fool anyone into believing they are right and the other is wrong.

And then when a woman decides to protect herself from this type of arbitrary mistreatment, lets say by recording the behavior, she is looked on as the man hater... our world is truly spinning out of control...

Thanks for sharing your research. It is sad and spooky...I've noticed that people can become angry and defensive out in the open. Or they can use subtle (and passive-aggressive) tactics. (Like making fun of someone or turning a person into the "butt" of their jokes etc.)...My first husband used a few "gaslighting" techniques on me. But once I got out into the world a little more (on my own) I realized that my husband had been trying to keep me "down" and hold me "back." (Due to his hidden insecurities and "abandonment" fears.)


Yes, I've noticed the same type of passive-aggressive behavior that you describe being posted on the boards all the time... And some people don't even bother to be subtle about it... so to me, that is more of an overtly aggressive type of offense, and it would be headline news to know how the other party being trashed really feels about it...

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Sun 03/17/13 08:20 AM







I don't mind dating a strong woman, but she has to understand we are equals. I will lead as much as she wants, but I expect her to lead sometimes too.


When you state it this way, it makes me think deeper... I'm not an aggressive woman, but I am strong and take care of my responsibilities. In fact, my ex's prefer to leave the bulk of issues in my capable hands to tend too, while they concentrate on work weeks, and then weekends hunting or fishing, etc... They'd do whatever I asked them too, but mostly I wouldn't bother them with things I can handle, and even though our relationships were kinda lopsided this way, I actually preferred having most of the control that I am entrusted with. So, when you say that your woman will have to understand that you are equals, does that mean that you prefer to take more of the responsibility to keep everything running smoothly on your shoulders?


I expect teamwork. Marriage is a hard job.


But it's so much fun for the first couple of years... :wink: and it's too bad that after the newness wears off it then becomes a chore to stay happy... but it is what it is... bigsmile



I thought it was fun all the time? The hard work is keeping up with your ever-evolving partner.


now, now, hippie... I'm beginning to detect a slight shift in the blame game... laugh you know that an ever evolving partner can be very exciting as she learns new ways to please... :wink:



What's to blame, people change. It is up to you to recognize and facilitate this or risk losing them by being stagnant.


Stagnant is too boring... give me all or nothing... :tongue:

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Sun 03/17/13 08:22 AM










Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


We can't avoid DV here in the United States either... so it's a good thing that we can divorce those who prefer to live aggressively and take their personal problems out on others. You know, they even categorize emotional abuse as part of DV too... who knew that being rude and spiteful to those around us could be classified as abuse... pretty soon even our thoughts will fit into some kind of category that we'll need therapy to cope with too... laugh

Emotional abuse as DV? Please! Are they sane? What is the world being changed into? B4 they started programming your thoughts, better leave ur country(lol)


Yes, in doing a little Google search of Wikipedia we can find that our government has done studies that define emotional, mental, psychological abuse as being perpetrated by those who seek power, and control over others. And apparently, it has been discovered that we women are substantially more likely to exhibit psychological aggression, and that it can be regarded as a normalized element in dating. Jeezz… aggressive women is considered the norm now… yikes… the research goes on to tell us that subtler emotionally abusive tactics include insults, putdowns, arbitrary and unpredictable inconsistency, and gaslighting (the denial that previous abusive incidents occurred). Modern technology has led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

And it’s also stated that male and female perpetrators of emotional and physical abuse exhibit high rates of personality disorders. While abusers can be very manipulative, often recruiting friends, law officers and court officials, even the victim's family to their side, while shifting blame to the victim. This is the scary part to me… that abusers are so smooth they can fool anyone into believing they are right and the other is wrong.

And then when a woman decides to protect herself from this type of arbitrary mistreatment, lets say by recording the behavior, she is looked on as the man hater... our world is truly spinning out of control... and no one is truly safe in any environment from those who want too and choose to abuse others... especially when they turn it into a big joke, so their public abuse can be applauded with laughter.laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh drinker laugh drinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh


Research, research! Everywhere is research. How r we going to live? Some research shows, some dont. Some say eat this for healthy diet, another says otherwise. I am fed up of them!
On the topic of smooth abusers, here(like in the cappital and other big cities) cant believe how smooth they can get. The abuser plays the perfect husband and the perfect father and all of a sudden after a coupla years he pours acid on his wife's body or face(it has become a recent norm).
Btw, congratulations on it being final


Acid... wow! I imagine that's one obvious crime American men wouldn't skate on... and I don't know what's to be congratulated as I've been divorced for almost a year. But, thanx for the shout out...

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Sun 03/17/13 08:22 AM



Stagnant is too boring... give me all or nothing... :tongue:



I have it on my bucket list to go to Hawaii and snorkel and scuba dive, I have not done that yet. I hope it isn't boring!

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Sun 03/17/13 08:24 AM




Stagnant is too boring... give me all or nothing... :tongue:



I have it on my bucket list to go to Hawaii and snorkel and scuba dive, I have not done that yet. I hope it isn't boring!


Just make sure you bypass Aruba, or you may never come out of the water... laugh

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Sun 03/17/13 08:33 AM











Why don’t marriages last for lifetimes anymore? Is one of the reasons because most women work and don’t have to rely on men for their support, so they are more independent minded? What are other reasons?




You know Athenarose, here divorces are almost rare. In the big cities there are hardly any unlike ur country. So I cant really give any straight answer 4 a problem I dont know


Wow, that's awesome... but does domestic violence take the place of divorce?

Honestly, sure there is domestic violence specially in the rural areas. Some in the cities too. Afterall this is a 3rd world country


Being a third world country doesn't cause domestic violence between spouses... spouses perpetrate DV on each other... and it seems to me that if couples don't divorce but stay together no matter what, that there will be a lot more DV because there's no way out of unhappy relationships... JMHO

What i am saying is that in a third world country u cant avoid domestic violence. I didnt say it causes it. In a 3rd world country it is hard to find justice in domestic violence. Thats why it is hard to stop it. In the bigger cities it is another matter. First of all DV is rare. In addition the ppl living in the cities are very civilized.
If couples have a healthy relationships and respect one another(which most couples in the cities do) no DV can occur. Here, we are a deeply religious ppl(whether christian or muslim) and dont believe in divorce


We can't avoid DV here in the United States either... so it's a good thing that we can divorce those who prefer to live aggressively and take their personal problems out on others. You know, they even categorize emotional abuse as part of DV too... who knew that being rude and spiteful to those around us could be classified as abuse... pretty soon even our thoughts will fit into some kind of category that we'll need therapy to cope with too... laugh

Emotional abuse as DV? Please! Are they sane? What is the world being changed into? B4 they started programming your thoughts, better leave ur country(lol)


Yes, in doing a little Google search of Wikipedia we can find that our government has done studies that define emotional, mental, psychological abuse as being perpetrated by those who seek power, and control over others. And apparently, it has been discovered that we women are substantially more likely to exhibit psychological aggression, and that it can be regarded as a normalized element in dating. Jeezz… aggressive women is considered the norm now… yikes… the research goes on to tell us that subtler emotionally abusive tactics include insults, putdowns, arbitrary and unpredictable inconsistency, and gaslighting (the denial that previous abusive incidents occurred). Modern technology has led to new forms of abuse, by text messaging and online cyber-bullying.

And it’s also stated that male and female perpetrators of emotional and physical abuse exhibit high rates of personality disorders. While abusers can be very manipulative, often recruiting friends, law officers and court officials, even the victim's family to their side, while shifting blame to the victim. This is the scary part to me… that abusers are so smooth they can fool anyone into believing they are right and the other is wrong.

And then when a woman decides to protect herself from this type of arbitrary mistreatment, lets say by recording the behavior, she is looked on as the man hater... our world is truly spinning out of control... and no one is truly safe in any environment from those who want too and choose to abuse others... especially when they turn it into a big joke, so their public abuse can be applauded with laughter.laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh drinker laugh drinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laughdrinker laugh


Research, research! Everywhere is research. How r we going to live? Some research shows, some dont. Some say eat this for healthy diet, another says otherwise. I am fed up of them!
On the topic of smooth abusers, here(like in the cappital and other big cities) cant believe how smooth they can get. The abuser plays the perfect husband and the perfect father and all of a sudden after a coupla years he pours acid on his wife's body or face(it has become a recent norm).
Btw, congratulations on it being final


Acid... wow! I imagine that's one obvious crime American men wouldn't skate on... and I don't know what's to be congratulated as I've been divorced for almost a year. But, thanx for the shout out...

Oh, sorry. I just saw someone saying congra or something.
Yeah, the crime here has escalated. Whats the most common form of abuse there?