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Im not pushing against no meaning no. I think a lover (guy or girl) is sometimes in a heightened enough sensual state that the VERBAL is no longer being focused on nearly as much as the PHYSICAL so its easy to miss the VERBAL no, if the PHYSICAL activity suggests yes,,, as I said, people tune out for many reasons, heightened sexual arousal is one that just may cause a NATURAL tendency to become less aware of dialogue and other non physical factors,,, in that stage, a no can sound very much like a moan or an 'oh', if it is accompanied by no other action or words or form of expression To you, it's an acceptable excuse for a man not stopping when the woman says no because he may have tuned out what she's saying? its acceptable if someone doesnt hear me say stop verbally, or give them some body language that implies dissatisfation that they keep going whatever the situation,,,,, yes Really? It's acceptable to you for him to continue having sex with you even though you're telling him to stop? When women think this way, no wonder it confuses some men... this is what I Said it is acceptable if someone doesnt HEAR me say stop, that they continue although 'stop' is a harder verbal signal to mix up or miss than a 'no',, which is easily confused with other natural moans and groans during sex... there really isnt much more difficulty for me to say STOP, GET OFF ME, or some other indicator , as there is for me to simply say 'no' and expect them to understand while they are aroused,,, You make an awful lot of excuses for men who you say may not hear something. people will always call a reason an 'excuse' if they dont agree as a rape survivor myself, I have no reason to 'excuse' rape, Im just being honest about how the body functions in heightened sexual states,,, |
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Edited by
singmesweet
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Im not pushing against no meaning no. I think a lover (guy or girl) is sometimes in a heightened enough sensual state that the VERBAL is no longer being focused on nearly as much as the PHYSICAL so its easy to miss the VERBAL no, if the PHYSICAL activity suggests yes,,, as I said, people tune out for many reasons, heightened sexual arousal is one that just may cause a NATURAL tendency to become less aware of dialogue and other non physical factors,,, in that stage, a no can sound very much like a moan or an 'oh', if it is accompanied by no other action or words or form of expression To you, it's an acceptable excuse for a man not stopping when the woman says no because he may have tuned out what she's saying? its acceptable if someone doesnt hear me say stop verbally, or give them some body language that implies dissatisfation that they keep going whatever the situation,,,,, yes Really? It's acceptable to you for him to continue having sex with you even though you're telling him to stop? When women think this way, no wonder it confuses some men... this is what I Said it is acceptable if someone doesnt HEAR me say stop, that they continue although 'stop' is a harder verbal signal to mix up or miss than a 'no',, which is easily confused with other natural moans and groans during sex... there really isnt much more difficulty for me to say STOP, GET OFF ME, or some other indicator , as there is for me to simply say 'no' and expect them to understand while they are aroused,,, You make an awful lot of excuses for men who you say may not hear something. people will always call a reason an 'excuse' if they dont agree as a rape survivor myself, I have no reason to 'excuse' rape, Im just being honest about how the body functions in heightened sexual states,,, As a rape survivor, I would think you wouldn't be so lenient on men not stopping sex if you've said no or stop. But, whatever works for you, I guess. It just amazes me that you've said what you've said. |
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Im not pushing against no meaning no. I think a lover (guy or girl) is sometimes in a heightened enough sensual state that the VERBAL is no longer being focused on nearly as much as the PHYSICAL so its easy to miss the VERBAL no, if the PHYSICAL activity suggests yes,,, as I said, people tune out for many reasons, heightened sexual arousal is one that just may cause a NATURAL tendency to become less aware of dialogue and other non physical factors,,, in that stage, a no can sound very much like a moan or an 'oh', if it is accompanied by no other action or words or form of expression To you, it's an acceptable excuse for a man not stopping when the woman says no because he may have tuned out what she's saying? its acceptable if someone doesnt hear me say stop verbally, or give them some body language that implies dissatisfation that they keep going whatever the situation,,,,, yes Really? It's acceptable to you for him to continue having sex with you even though you're telling him to stop? When women think this way, no wonder it confuses some men... this is what I Said it is acceptable if someone doesnt HEAR me say stop, that they continue although 'stop' is a harder verbal signal to mix up or miss than a 'no',, which is easily confused with other natural moans and groans during sex... there really isnt much more difficulty for me to say STOP, GET OFF ME, or some other indicator , as there is for me to simply say 'no' and expect them to understand while they are aroused,,, You make an awful lot of excuses for men who you say may not hear something. people will always call a reason an 'excuse' if they dont agree as a rape survivor myself, I have no reason to 'excuse' rape, Im just being honest about how the body functions in heightened sexual states,,, As a rape survivor, I would think you wouldn't be so lenient on men not stopping sex if you've said no or stop. But, whatever works for you, I guess. Im a realist,,, even people who love us tune our words out at various points certainly someone in a moment of lust may be otherwise occupied than to tune in to whether an oh was actually a NO Im not lenient on men, I just expect more common sense from women,,, |
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Im a realist,,,
even people who love us tune our words out at various points certainly someone in a moment of lust may be otherwise occupied than to tune in to whether an oh was actually a NO Im not lenient on men, I just expect more common sense from women,,, It's interesting that you've said that, because I expect more common sense from women, too. In my opinion, common sense is not accepting that he didn't hear no and just letting him continue. |
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Really? It's acceptable to you for him to continue having sex with you even though you're telling him to stop? When women think this way, no wonder it confuses some men... msharmony is describing a situation in which the man does not comprehend that the woman is saying "No" because the woman has not communicated clearly. |
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Really? It's acceptable to you for him to continue having sex with you even though you're telling him to stop? When women think this way, no wonder it confuses some men... msharmony is describing a situation in which the man does not comprehend that the woman is saying "No" because the woman has not communicated clearly. thank you |
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Im a realist,,,
even people who love us tune our words out at various points certainly someone in a moment of lust may be otherwise occupied than to tune in to whether an oh was actually a NO Im not lenient on men, I just expect more common sense from women,,, It's interesting that you've said that, because I expect more common sense from women, too. In my opinion, common sense is not accepting that he didn't hear no and just letting him continue. common sense is not assuming he heard no and doing nothing else to end the action no is a single syllable word, sounds alot like oh, by itself, one shouldnt ASSUME everything will cease in conjunction with raised voice, physical rejection, a STOP or GET OFF ME,, yeah, there should be clear reason to believe the man KNEW the advance was unwanted |
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chastity belt. it is the only sure way. 
she can STILL change her mind, even if she gives him the key to open the belt,,lol that's why Dad holds the key!!
And if the key doesn't work, call for the royal locksmith. 
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Dodo is going for soft porn throughout the discussion....
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Im a realist,,,
even people who love us tune our words out at various points certainly someone in a moment of lust may be otherwise occupied than to tune in to whether an oh was actually a NO Im not lenient on men, I just expect more common sense from women,,, It's interesting that you've said that, because I expect more common sense from women, too. In my opinion, common sense is not accepting that he didn't hear no and just letting him continue. common sense is not assuming he heard no and doing nothing else to end the action no is a single syllable word, sounds alot like oh, by itself, one shouldnt ASSUME everything will cease in conjunction with raised voice, physical rejection, a STOP or GET OFF ME,, yeah, there should be clear reason to believe the man KNEW the advance was unwanted Well, I would think that if a woman was saying no, she'd make it clear. So, that's what I've been talking about. |
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Dodo is going for soft porn throughout the discussion.... What? Haven't you ever seen the movie Robin Hood: Men in Tights? 
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No ALWAYS means NO! No exceptions. 
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Sorry, to those with little self control. No means no, no matter when it happens and no matter what the woman is wearing. Even dogs aren't allowed to attack a woman if she's wearing meat, they are legally supposed to be leashed and controlled. Too bad that some members are insinuating that they have the self control of animals.
Everyone has a different threshold of "point of no return" mine might be after something starts hurting and yours might be after you start passionately kissing so does that mean that I have no right to say no because we have different thresholds? NO. You have the right and I have the right for our words to be enough when we talk about physical joining of our bodies. I think it misrepresents women as teases to say that we can't get turned on and then decide we aren't ready to continue, if we got aroused we got teased as well. Also, even IF one is aroused it doesn't mean it's ok to continue to have sex despite what one says. Arousal is a physiological response that can be independent of our conscious thought. If you go by some arguments for instance AndyB's then you could say that a woman giving a massage to a man as a service must also be labelled a tease and be forced to finish a massage with sex because a man has become physically aroused past his threshold. Scary scary world I wonder if you would think the same way if it was your anus on the conversation table. For instance, you start making out with what you thought was a woman and 'she' has orally pleasured you and you then realize that she is in fact a he, then by your argument that he has the 'right' to seal the deal, because you teased him past his threshold. Scary, right? |
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Sorry, to those with little self control. No means no, no matter when it happens and no matter what the woman is wearing. Even dogs aren't allowed to attack a woman if she's wearing meat, they are legally supposed to be leashed and controlled. Too bad that some members are insinuating that they have the self control of animals. Everyone has a different threshold of "point of no return" mine might be after something starts hurting and yours might be after you start passionately kissing so does that mean that I have no right to say no because we have different thresholds? NO. You have the right and I have the right for our words to be enough when we talk about physical joining of our bodies. I think it misrepresents women as teases to say that we can't get turned on and then decide we aren't ready to continue, if we got aroused we got teased as well. Also, even IF one is aroused it doesn't mean it's ok to continue to have sex despite what one says. Arousal is a physiological response that can be independent of our conscious thought. If you go by some arguments for instance AndyB's then you could say that a woman giving a massage to a man as a service must also be labelled a tease and be forced to finish a massage with sex because a man has become physically aroused past his threshold. Scary scary world I wonder if you would think the same way if it was your anus on the conversation table. For instance, you start making out with what you thought was a woman and 'she' has orally pleasured you and you then realize that she is in fact a he, then by your argument that he has the 'right' to seal the deal, because you teased him past his threshold. Scary, right? *sips Sprite* The responses to this should be fun to read. |
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lol ikr :D
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communication is not communication unless one is delivering a message that another is RECEIVING
if the other person never receives, hears, sees the message, they cant be held accountable for not being aware of it,, pretty simple in a heightened state, its not always true that the ears are paying particular attention to every syllable,,,so a simple 'no' only means no to the person who has HEARD and understood it unless , there is a rape or forcible sex fantasy that is agreed to in advance,,,(which some people are also into...) my advice to men, dont date a flaky woman, dont get intimate with a woman that you havent communicated and known well enough to know they wont start something intimate and suddenly change their mind my advice to women, if you are changing your mind, be prepared to do more than utter a single syllable and expect everything to stop,,, |
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Edited by
AndyBgood
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Mon 12/24/12 09:43 AM
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No ALWAYS means NO! No exceptions.
I have tried to agree with this BUT likewise you cannot shake hands with the devil and decide to take it back later. it is like I argued earlier. Some women play smarter therefore safer. Others evidently need the thrill of the threat or they thrive on drama. And then some dare tread where angels fear to tread. If a person gets eaten putting themselves in the path of a predator they deserve it. Example, Yellowstone Park. There is a sign there that is HUGE and the letters are on foot tall. Yellow background, black letters typical of a high contrast high visibility sign. "DO NOT FEED THE BEARS." And under those words is a brief explanation why. And yet people got to get out of their cars and feed the bears. they look so cute, until someone finds out how vicious mamma bears are when some idiot tries to pet the cubs or that male bear was still hungry! It is the same thing for a woman to wear a miniskirt, no panties, walking into a bar full of drunk horney men, flirting with everyone, even getting kissy with a few, and when she is taken without her will well, guess what, it is not the same as a woman wearing blue jeans or a long dress, minding her own business and just taking to a few guys. The second women in this example is not "Waving the Flag!" if a woman acts like an easy time or in this case "Easy Meat" the dogs are going to bite. To me that is the exact same thing as draping T-Bone steaks on your naked body, drenching yourself in BBQ sauce and jumping in a lion cage. You cannot say "its OK to flip the on switch but don't turn the sign it goes to on." That makes no sense. All I am and have been trying to say is LADIES! YOU NEED TO BE MORE OBSERVANT OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND THE SITUATIONS YOU ARE IN! Use more caution and you will be safe. Likewise some of you may not communicate with males as well as you think you do. God knows I have a hell of a time understanding what some of you women are thinking. So the the flip side of the coin I doubt any of you REALLY understand or get me. If more of you women did I would be dating right now! I do not advocate rape. I likewise do not advocate stupidity. You are in a world of Predators and are part of the predator society. But strength is not the only answer. Using your head helps a lot. You have to be completely stupid to think you are safe being in a room full of drunk men that the law or normal socially acceptable behavior means anything. 'No' to a drunk man sounds something like this... " ." And clearly it sounds the same to a lot of SOBER WOMEN! Especially teenage women! How women WANT to see the world... 
the REAL world... 
And now, do you think you have any rights as a woman in Islam? I think a lot of you have no idea how good you got it off not being born in the Middle East! Shall we discuss the idea of 'NO' in an Islamic world? I mean a comparison of the other extreme might put things in perspective... Why? A women has no right to say NO in Islam, especially if she is married. And oh how they handle rape cases... They make victimizing the victim an ART FORM! |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No ALWAYS means NO! No exceptions.
I have tried to agree with this BUT likewise you cannot shake hands with the devil and decide to take it back later. it is like I argued earlier. Some women play smarter therefore safer. Others evidently need the thrill of the threat or they thrive on drama. And then some dare tread where angels fear to tread. If a person gets eaten putting themselves in the path of a predator they deserve it. Example, Yellowstone Park. There is a sign there that is HUGE and the letters are on foot tall. Yellow background, black letters typical of a high contrast high visibility sign. "DO NOT FEED THE BEARS." And under those words is a brief explanation why. And yet people got to get out of their cars and feed the bears. they look so cute, until someone finds out how vicious mamma bears are when some idiot tries to pet the cubs or that male bear was still hungry! It is the same thing for a woman to wear a miniskirt, no panties, walking into a bar full of drunk horney men, flirting with everyone, even getting kissy with a few, and when she is taken without her will well, guess what, it is not the same as a woman wearing blue jeans or a long dress, minding her own business and just taking to a few guys. The second women in this example is not "Waving the Flag!" if a woman acts like an easy time or in this case "Easy Meat" the dogs are going to bite. To me that is the exact same thing as draping T-Bone steaks on your naked body, drenching yourself in BBQ sauce and jumping in a lion cage. You cannot say "its OK to flip the on switch but don't turn the sign it goes to on." That makes no sense. All I am and have been trying to say is LADIES! YOU NEED TO BE MORE OBSERVANT OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND THE SITUATIONS YOU ARE IN! Use more caution and you will be safe. Likewise some of you may not communicate with males as well as you think you do. God knows I have a hell of a time understanding what some of you women are thinking. So the the flip side of the coin I doubt any of you REALLY understand or get me. If more of you women did I would be dating right now! I do not advocate rape. I likewise do not advocate stupidity. You are in a world of Predators and are part of the predator society. But strength is not the only answer. Using your head helps a lot. You have to be completely stupid to thing being in a room full of drunk men means anything. 'No' to a drunk man sounds something like this... " ." And clearly it sounds the same to a lot of SOBER WOMEN! Especially teenage women! In one breath, you say you don't advocate rape, but in another, you blame women for wearing something that will cause men to rape her. It doesn't matter whether she's wearing jeans or a miniskirt, she does not deserve to be raped. Period. And you keep comparing yourself to animals. If you don't have anymore self control than animals, perhaps it's time to get some help. |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No ALWAYS means NO! No exceptions.
I have tried to agree with this BUT likewise you cannot shake hands with the devil and decide to take it back later. it is like I argued earlier. Some women play smarter therefore safer. Others evidently need the thrill of the threat or they thrive on drama. And then some dare tread where angels fear to tread. If a person gets eaten putting themselves in the path of a predator they deserve it. Example, Yellowstone Park. There is a sign there that is HUGE and the letters are on foot tall. Yellow background, black letters typical of a high contrast high visibility sign. "DO NOT FEED THE BEARS." And under those words is a brief explanation why. And yet people got to get out of their cars and feed the bears. they look so cute, until someone finds out how vicious mamma bears are when some idiot tries to pet the cubs or that male bear was still hungry! It is the same thing for a woman to wear a miniskirt, no panties, walking into a bar full of drunk horney men, flirting with everyone, even getting kissy with a few, and when she is taken without her will well, guess what, it is not the same as a woman wearing blue jeans or a long dress, minding her own business and just taking to a few guys. The second women in this example is not "Waving the Flag!" if a woman acts like an easy time or in this case "Easy Meat" the dogs are going to bite. To me that is the exact same thing as draping T-Bone steaks on your naked body, drenching yourself in BBQ sauce and jumping in a lion cage. You cannot say "its OK to flip the on switch but don't turn the sign it goes to on." That makes no sense. All I am and have been trying to say is LADIES! YOU NEED TO BE MORE OBSERVANT OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND THE SITUATIONS YOU ARE IN! Use more caution and you will be safe. Likewise some of you may not communicate with males as well as you think you do. God knows I have a hell of a time understanding what some of you women are thinking. So the the flip side of the coin I doubt any of you REALLY understand or get me. If more of you women did I would be dating right now! I do not advocate rape. I likewise do not advocate stupidity. You are in a world of Predators and are part of the predator society. But strength is not the only answer. Using your head helps a lot. You have to be completely stupid to thing being in a room full of drunk men means anything. 'No' to a drunk man sounds something like this... " ." And clearly it sounds the same to a lot of SOBER WOMEN! Especially teenage women! In one breath, you say you don't advocate rape, but in another, you blame women for wearing something that will cause men to rape her. It doesn't matter whether she's wearing jeans or a miniskirt, she does not deserve to be raped. Period. And you keep comparing yourself to animals. If you don't have anymore self control than animals, perhaps it's time to get some help. Unless you noticed we are all animals unless you know something I don't. I also am saying is women need to be careful. I also am saying women need to think more before just jumping into situations. I am also saying that women need to communicate better with us. I am also saying, and I am going to use bold letters here so you MIGHT get me finally, "don't cry if you are told that touching a flame will burn you and you get burned touching the flame!" You want to go to a bar? DON'T GO ALONE! DON'T GO WEARING A MINISKIRT AND NO PANTIES! DON'T ACT LIKE YOU ARE IMMUNE FROM ANIMAL INSTINCT! So you are going to still dog me with your ignorance and blindness? AGAIN 
What part of I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN DANGER AND GET THEMSELVES HURT do you seem to have a hard time understanding? So are you going to twist my words up some more or are we going to have a repeat like we did in another topic you tried to dog me in? |
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Unless you noticed we are all animals unless you know something I don't. I also am saying is women need to be careful. I also am saying women need to think more before just jumping into situations. I am also saying that women need to communicate better with us. I am also saying, and I am going to use bold letters here so you MIGHT get me finally, "don't cry if you are told that touching a flame will burn you and you get burned touching the flame!" You want to go to a bar? DON'T GO ALONE! DON'T GO WEARING A MINISKIRT AND NO PANTIES! DON'T ACT LIKE YOU ARE IMMUNE FROM ANIMAL INSTINCT! So you are going to still dog me with your ignorance and blindness? AGAIN
What part of I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN DANGER AND GET THEMSELVES HURT do you seem to have a hard time understanding? So are you going to twist my words up some more or are we going to have a repeat like we did in another topic you tried to dog me in? If you're no different than a dog or a bear, then something is missing. All I can do is go by what you've written here in the forums. You're placing all the blame on women and none on men. Yes, women need to be careful and try not to put themselves in dangerous situations. Sometimes they end up in situations they shouldn't, though. Men need to be responsible enough to control themselves. What you've been saying is that you just can't control yourself. If you really can't control yourself around women, there might be some deeper issues there. |
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