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I ask a question and you try THIS with me. ANSWER MY QUESTION OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!! Again do I need to use small words? YOU are indeed attacking me. Passive aggressive or fistfight, they are the same to me. I poke holes in your argument and you say I am disrespecting women? WRONG! WRONG AGAIN! If there is any disrespect going on it is right here and YOU are disrespecting me now! And doing so CLEARLY! Shame on you yet again! Once again I can see Your true colors. You indeed are on a crusade against men here. I bet you are one of those women who thinks since God gave you a slit we (men) should fall over backwards for you, lay the red carpet down for you, scatter rose petals in the street with your passing, all just for you, the empowered woman, queen of the world. I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here. Andy, there's no need to demand I answer your questions or shut the hell up in a thread I started. There's no need to freak out, either. If you're going to be condescending and disrespectful, I'll continue to choose not to answer your questions. I have no patience for someone who is acting as you are. I am not on a crusade against men at all. I have no problem with most men. In fact, I like men very much. You are not acting like most men, though. You clearly know absolutely nothing about me. No need to assume I am like the women you're having so many issues with. I'm sorry you've been with women who hate men, but don't assume that anyone who disagrees with you is like that. |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No not always agree ; Sometimes Women tease a guy and then try to pull back from having Sex. Don't play with fire, be serious about having sex with a man, and don't put yourself in a heated situation if you do not want to put out. GOD DAMN IT! ANOTHER WOMAN WHO REALLY DOES GET IT!  You rock!
Some of the other FEMALES (I refuse to use the term LADY OR WOMAN HERE!) are under some impression they can equate a man who HUNTS WOMEN DOWN TO VICTIMIZE THEM vs. being involved in a committed relationship. So at the two tag team queens here on my a$$ here is a valid question... Let us say HYPOTHETICALLY you are married and somewhere down the line YOU decide sex is done with but you tell your Husband and he is not with that at all. Do you cut him free or do you let him have sex with another woman? 
Be fore warned, you answer this question at your own peril. Choose your answer CAREFULLY! Ah, so we've only been talking about committed relationships? I haven't. I've never been married, nor have I ever decided I was done with sex, so that's not a question I can answer. Also, if you're not treating women like ladies and with respect, don't expect respectful treatment in return. And just because women are disagreeing with you, it does not mean they're any less lady like than those who are nodding along with you. NICE WAY TO AVOID ANSWERING MY QUESTION! 
I ask a question and you try THIS with me. ANSWER MY QUESTION OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!! Again do I need to use small words? YOU are indeed attacking me. Passive aggressive or fistfight, they are the same to me. I poke holes in your argument and you say I am disrespecting women? WRONG! WRONG AGAIN! If there is any disrespect going on it is right here and YOU are disrespecting me now! And doing so CLEARLY! Shame on you yet again! Once again I can see Your true colors. You indeed are on a crusade against men here. I bet you are one of those women who thinks since God gave you a slit we (men) should fall over backwards for you, lay the red carpet down for you, scatter rose petals in the street with your passing, all just for you, the empowered woman, queen of the world. I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here. By the way, some of the other members here we have had disagreements in the past with. To say some of these women are just nodding and agreeing with me is an insult to THEM AS WELL! If most of the men here and half of the women agree with me then MAYBE I AM ON TO SOMETHING HERE! You got Pink Eye so bad your eyes are swollen shut so you can't read even what others say? You act like all us men are stalkers. And then two of you had the brass to 'recuse ' me without saying it openly I am a rapist! Like you know what being a victim is! Like you are the only ones to be victimized! Its the close minded attitude of people like you that perpetuate the problems of the world! |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No not always agree ; Sometimes Women tease a guy and then try to pull back from having Sex. Don't play with fire, be serious about having sex with a man, and don't put yourself in a heated situation if you do not want to put out. GOD DAMN IT! ANOTHER WOMAN WHO REALLY DOES GET IT! You rock!
Some of the other FEMALES (I refuse to use the term LADY OR WOMAN HERE!) are under some impression they can equate a man who HUNTS WOMEN DOWN TO VICTIMIZE THEM vs. being involved in a committed relationship. So at the two tag team queens here on my a$$ here is a valid question... Let us say HYPOTHETICALLY you are married and somewhere down the line YOU decide sex is done with but you tell your Husband and he is not with that at all. Do you cut him free or do you let him have sex with another woman?
Be fore warned, you answer this question at your own peril. Choose your answer CAREFULLY! Well, what about a Husband that Runs from his Wife when she wants to have Sex!!! 
Sometimes the Players have nothing left for the One they have the committment with. 
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No not always agree ; Sometimes Women tease a guy and then try to pull back from having Sex. Don't play with fire, be serious about having sex with a man, and don't put yourself in a heated situation if you do not want to put out. GOD DAMN IT! ANOTHER WOMAN WHO REALLY DOES GET IT! You rock!
Some of the other FEMALES (I refuse to use the term LADY OR WOMAN HERE!) are under some impression they can equate a man who HUNTS WOMEN DOWN TO VICTIMIZE THEM vs. being involved in a committed relationship. So at the two tag team queens here on my a$$ here is a valid question... Let us say HYPOTHETICALLY you are married and somewhere down the line YOU decide sex is done with but you tell your Husband and he is not with that at all. Do you cut him free or do you let him have sex with another woman?
Be fore warned, you answer this question at your own peril. Choose your answer CAREFULLY! Ah, so we've only been talking about committed relationships? I haven't. I've never been married, nor have I ever decided I was done with sex, so that's not a question I can answer. Also, if you're not treating women like ladies and with respect, don't expect respectful treatment in return. And just because women are disagreeing with you, it does not mean they're any less lady like than those who are nodding along with you. 
Well, I don't think its ok, or great if a woman is leading you on in that sense or playing a game. So your willing to force yourself on her and to "finish" when a certain point has been reached, but yet your gonna ask (HYPOTHETICALLY) that if the woman is done with sex, is she gonna cut you loose? Why wouldn't you make your own decision to stay or not? Why ask her? If all has been decided and final, after talking it through more thoroughly of course, since its a marriage. Isn't that passive aggressive to an extreme? |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? It means no to me, and I have stopped, as frustrating as it was. |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? It means no to me, and I have stopped, as frustrating as it was. Yep; I hear you. Believe it or not; that happened to me. A guy lead me on and then changed his mind and said no. It was frustrating but what are you gonna do? |
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GOOD FOR THE GOOSE, GOOD FOR THE GANDER!
If he is holding out and she wants it well, he had better be ready to make the same concession i would demand if the roles were reversed. I am about fair and balanced. A man holding out on a sexual relationship on a woman is no better! |
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This came up in another thread, but I thought it could use a thread of it's own. No means no. Do you agree with that? If not, why? What circumstances would make you not agree with it? No not always agree ; Sometimes Women tease a guy and then try to pull back from having Sex. Don't play with fire, be serious about having sex with a man, and don't put yourself in a heated situation if you do not want to put out. GOD DAMN IT! ANOTHER WOMAN WHO REALLY DOES GET IT! You rock!
Some of the other FEMALES (I refuse to use the term LADY OR WOMAN HERE!) are under some impression they can equate a man who HUNTS WOMEN DOWN TO VICTIMIZE THEM vs. being involved in a committed relationship. So at the two tag team queens here on my a$$ here is a valid question... Let us say HYPOTHETICALLY you are married and somewhere down the line YOU decide sex is done with but you tell your Husband and he is not with that at all. Do you cut him free or do you let him have sex with another woman?
Be fore warned, you answer this question at your own peril. Choose your answer CAREFULLY! Ah, so we've only been talking about committed relationships? I haven't. I've never been married, nor have I ever decided I was done with sex, so that's not a question I can answer. Also, if you're not treating women like ladies and with respect, don't expect respectful treatment in return. And just because women are disagreeing with you, it does not mean they're any less lady like than those who are nodding along with you.
Well, I don't think its ok, or great if a woman is leading you on in that sense or playing a game. So your willing to force yourself on her and to "finish" when a certain point has been reached, but yet your gonna ask (HYPOTHETICALLY) that if the woman is done with sex, is she gonna cut you loose? Why wouldn't you make your own decision to stay or not? Why ask her? If all has been decided and final, after talking it through more thoroughly of course, since its a marriage. Isn't that passive aggressive to an extreme? There are only two respectable answers to this question. I would be thrilled and stunned to see another honorable and respectable answer presented but I am not giving those answers until I am asked directly for them. |
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I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here.
Andy, I do not understand why you write the way that you have been writing. I know of only one instance on this thread when anything anti-man was posted - when a female participant misidentified the topic of this thread. Other than that one instance, the women here have been reasonable IMHO. To summarize this thread's topic: A verbal "No" means "No". A woman (or a man) should be saying "No" before any clothes are removed. To use a baseball analogy, a woman is behaving foolishly if she waits until a man is at third base to tell him that he isn't allowed to make a score. The woman can still say "No", however. If a woman plays that kind of baseball, then she shouldn't be surprised if the man decides to take his balls and go home. |
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I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here.
Andy, I do not understand why you write the way that you have been writing. I know of only one instance on this thread when anything anti-man was posted - when a female participant misidentified the topic of this thread. Other than that one instance, the women here have been reasonable IMHO. To summarize this thread's topic: A verbal "No" means "No". A woman (or a man) should be saying "No" before any clothes are removed. To use a baseball analogy, a woman is behaving foolishly if she waits until a man is at third base to tell him that he isn't allowed to make a score. The woman can still say "No", however. If a woman plays that kind of baseball, then she shouldn't be surprised if the man decides to take his balls and go home. A man or woman can say no at any point, not just before clothes are removed. However, if you believe that it should only happen before clothes are removed, just be sure to let the person know when you start dating them, so they know what to expect. |
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I ask a question and you try THIS with me. ANSWER MY QUESTION OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!! Again do I need to use small words? YOU are indeed attacking me. Passive aggressive or fistfight, they are the same to me. I poke holes in your argument and you say I am disrespecting women? WRONG! WRONG AGAIN! If there is any disrespect going on it is right here and YOU are disrespecting me now! And doing so CLEARLY! Shame on you yet again! Once again I can see Your true colors. You indeed are on a crusade against men here. I bet you are one of those women who thinks since God gave you a slit we (men) should fall over backwards for you, lay the red carpet down for you, scatter rose petals in the street with your passing, all just for you, the empowered woman, queen of the world. I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here. Andy, there's no need to demand I answer your questions or shut the hell up in a thread I started. There's no need to freak out, either. If you're going to be condescending and disrespectful, I'll continue to choose not to answer your questions. I have no patience for someone who is acting as you are. I am not on a crusade against men at all. I have no problem with most men. In fact, I like men very much. You are not acting like most men, though. You clearly know absolutely nothing about me. No need to assume I am like the women you're having so many issues with. I'm sorry you've been with women who hate men, but don't assume that anyone who disagrees with you is like that. Quid Pro Quorum, I asked you a simple question and look at how I am answered. Are you afraid of the answer? This is a form of disrespect. You want to argue with me and you cannot even answer a simple question? You need to divert away from what I asked. Life would be a lot easier if people spoke with each other, NOT AT THEM LIKE YOU ARE! THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION! It is a one way monolog. I am tired of you dodging my questions. Like you said, you really know nothing of me either... What makes you think it is OK to be stupid and not reap the consequences of your decision? What makes you think it is OK to impose a serious change in a critical dynamic of a relationship without making the other member of said relationship aware of it until COLD TURKEY is served on the other partner? Does it bother you when I see a lot of self interest in this argument? Rape in a relationship is a VERY complicated issue! BUT STATISTICALLY MOST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS REPEATED OVER AND OVER IN A RELATIONSHIP FOR A NUMBER OF FACTORS and the biggest one is people are just FUCQED UP IN THE HEAD! the need for familiarity is such a strong motivation for most of the bad decisions we make in our lives. So I am coming from the outside? Welcome to the UNFAMILIAR! I don't get the luxury of living in a homogeneous world like you do evidently! Two reasons why I don't see things your way and wont probably, one is I am a male and two is I had to grow up on the wrong side of the railroad tracks. 
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I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here.
Andy, I do not understand why you write the way that you have been writing. I know of only one instance on this thread when anything anti-man was posted - when a female participant misidentified the topic of this thread. Other than that one instance, the women here have been reasonable IMHO. To summarize this thread's topic: A verbal "No" means "No". A woman (or a man) should be saying "No" before any clothes are removed. To use a baseball analogy, a woman is behaving foolishly if she waits until a man is at third base to tell him that he isn't allowed to make a score. The woman can still say "No", however. If a woman plays that kind of baseball, then she shouldn't be surprised if the man decides to take his balls and go home. AS I have done and other respectable men do... But there are situations a woman should not put herself in... COMMON SENSE... That is what the idea is to be safer than sorry? Oh what I would give to get off of this rock for a little while! Humans just screw everything up... We get some things right but damn... |
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I am done here... It is clear I have located the man hating crusaders of respect here.
Andy, I do not understand why you write the way that you have been writing. I know of only one instance on this thread when anything anti-man was posted - when a female participant misidentified the topic of this thread. Other than that one instance, the women here have been reasonable IMHO. To summarize this thread's topic: A verbal "No" means "No". A woman (or a man) should be saying "No" before any clothes are removed. To use a baseball analogy, a woman is behaving foolishly if she waits until a man is at third base to tell him that he isn't allowed to make a score. The woman can still say "No", however. If a woman plays that kind of baseball, then she shouldn't be surprised if the man decides to take his balls and go home. A man or woman can say no at any point, not just before clothes are removed. However, if you believe that it should only happen before clothes are removed, just be sure to let the person know when you start dating them, so they know what to expect. I said that the woman can say "No" when the man is at third base. However, it is wiser for her to say "No" before any clothes are removed. |
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Country girls have at least one thing right - keep a Saturday Night Special under the pillow.
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GOOD FOR THE GOOSE, GOOD FOR THE GANDER! If he is holding out and she wants it well, he had better be ready to make the same concession i would demand if the roles were reversed. I am about fair and balanced. A man holding out on a sexual relationship on a woman is no better! Well; I just walked away from the situation. I certainly wasn't going to force myself on him. I must say though I didn't have a lot of respect for him afterwards. |
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GOOD FOR THE GOOSE, GOOD FOR THE GANDER! If he is holding out and she wants it well, he had better be ready to make the same concession i would demand if the roles were reversed. I am about fair and balanced. A man holding out on a sexual relationship on a woman is no better! Well; I just walked away from the situation. I certainly wasn't going to force myself on him. I must say though I didn't have a lot of respect for him afterwards. All I am saying here is that if it applies for men it also applies for women. I would have to be misogynistic to believe a woman can only serve a man or felt a woman cannot get hers as well. In a casual or just dating relationship there is the option of walking away which isn't all that complicated to understand. But in a committed relationship there is where things get complicated. |
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Country girls have at least one thing right - keep a Saturday Night Special under the pillow. Are you sure? Saturday night special? Most country girls I know would break out a Dirty Harry Special and happily say, MINE IS BIGGER! |
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Sometimes NO means YES....I'm kidding, of course no means no. not contractually, contractually the signature means yes, regardless of what the verbal response is,,,, similar in other life situations too,,we dont just communicate with our mouths,, |
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Just a friendly reminder this thread seems to basically be the same subject of the thread that was just locked.
With that said please refrain from attacking others for their opinions. If that can not be done this thread will be locked as well. Therefore please keep your responses civil. Site Mod Kristi |
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GOOD FOR THE GOOSE, GOOD FOR THE GANDER! If he is holding out and she wants it well, he had better be ready to make the same concession i would demand if the roles were reversed. I am about fair and balanced. A man holding out on a sexual relationship on a woman is no better! Well; I just walked away from the situation. I certainly wasn't going to force myself on him. I must say though I didn't have a lot of respect for him afterwards. All I am saying here is that if it applies for men it also applies for women. I would have to be misogynistic to believe a woman can only serve a man or felt a woman cannot get hers as well. In a casual or just dating relationship there is the option of walking away which isn't all that complicated to understand. But in a committed relationship there is where things get complicated. Agreed but even in a committed relationship; I would probably just get in my car and go for a drive. I've done it before. |
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